TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2020                                        3:29 P.M.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  THE HOUSE WILL COME

                    TO ORDER.

                                 IN THE ABSENCE OF CLERGY, LET US PAUSE FOR A MOMENT OF

                    SILENCE.

                                 (WHEREUPON, A MOMENT OF SILENCE WAS OBSERVED.)

                                 VISITORS ARE INVITED TO JOIN THE MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE

                    OF ALLEGIANCE.

                                 (WHEREUPON, ACTING SPEAKER RYAN LED MEMBERS AND

                    VISITORS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.)

                                 A QUORUM BEING PRESENT, THE CLERK WILL READ THE

                    JOURNAL OF MONDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, I MOVE

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    THAT WE DISPENSE WITH THE FURTHER READING OF THE JOURNAL OF MONDAY,

                    FEBRUARY THE 3RD AND ASK THAT THE SAME STAND APPROVED.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  WITH OBJECTION, SO

                    ORDERED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  THANK YOU.  I WANT TO

                    PROVIDE FOR OUR QUOTE OF THE DAY FOR OUR COLLEAGUES AND GUESTS THAT ARE

                    IN THE CHAMBERS.  IT IS FROM NONE OTHER THAN ROSA PARKS, WHOSE

                    BIRTHDAY IT IS TODAY.  MS. PARKS, AS YOU KNOW, IS AN AMERICAN ACTIVIST

                    IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, AND SHE'S BEST KNOWN FOR HER PIVOTAL

                    ROLE IN THE MONTGOMERY BUS BOYCOTT.  THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS HAS

                    CALLED HER "THE FIRST LADY OF CIVIL RIGHTS" AND "THE MOTHER OF THE

                    FREEDOM MOVEMENT."  WE ARE -- THE QUOTE FROM MS. PARKS TODAY, MR.

                    SPEAKER, COMES IN THREE PARTS.  ONE OF THEM IS, "EACH PERSON MUST LIVE

                    THEIR LIFE AS A MODEL FOR OTHERS."  THE SECOND ONE IS, "YOU MUST NEVER

                    BE FEARFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IF IT'S RIGHT."  AND THE THIRD ONE, "I

                    WOULD LIKE TO BE REMEMBERED AS A PERSON WHO WANTED TO BE FREE... SO

                    OTHER PEOPLE COULD BE [SIC] FREE."

                                 WITH THAT, MR. SPEAKER, MEMBERS SHOULD BE AWARE

                    THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR DESKS A MAIN CALENDAR, THAT THERE WILL BE A

                    NEED FOR A WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE MEETING, AND WE SHOULD BE

                    CALLING THAT AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE IN A FEW MINUTES HERE.  THERE WILL

                    ALSO BE A NEED FOR A RULES COMMITTEE.  THESE COMMITTEES WILL

                    PRODUCE A [SIC] A-CALENDAR, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO TAKE UP TODAY.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    AND AFTER THERE ARE ANY INTRODUCTIONS AND/OR HOUSEKEEPING, WE WILL

                    CONSENT FROM THE MAIN CALENDAR WHERE WE LEFT OFF YESTERDAY.  MR.

                    SPEAKER, WE LEFT OFF ON CALENDAR NO. 380 ON PAGE 59; WE WILL BE

                    STARTING THERE TODAY.  AND WE WILL ALSO CONTINUE OUR CONSENT FROM THE

                    MAIN CALENDAR, BEGINNING WITH CALENDAR NO. 240, WHICH IS ON PAGE

                    42.  THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR A MINORITY [SIC] CONFERENCE AT THE

                    CONCLUSION OF OUR WORK TODAY AND, AS ALWAYS, WE WILL CONSULT WITH OUR

                    COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

                                 THAT IS A GENERAL OUTLINE, MR. SPEAKER.  IF THERE ARE

                    ANY INTRODUCTIONS AND/OR HOUSEKEEPING, NOW WOULD BE A GREAT TIME.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  THANK YOU MADAM

                    MAJORITY LEADER.  WE HAVE NO HOUSEKEEPINGS [SIC], BUT WE DO HAVE

                    INTRODUCTIONS.  ON BEHALF OF MS. WEINSTEIN -- I'M SORRY, CALL ON MS.

                    WEINSTEIN.

                                 MS. WEINSTEIN:  YES, THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  I'M

                    EXTRAORDINARILY PLEASED TO INTRODUCE -- TO INTRODUCE ANTONY PHILLIPSON,

                    HER MAJESTY'S TRADE COMMISSIONER FOR NORTH AMERICA AND THE U.K.'S

                    CONSUL GENERAL IN NEW YORK.  ANTONY IS IN ALBANY FOR TWO DAYS OF

                    MEETINGS WITH CAPITAL REGION BUSINESSES THAT HAVE OR WISH TO HAVE A

                    TRADING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.K., BRITISH COMPANIES WITH A PRESENCE

                    IN THE CAPITAL REGION, AND BUSINESSES INTERESTED IN FREE TRADE

                    AGREEMENTS.  HE HAS ALSO BEEN MEETING WITH NEW YORK STATE

                    GOVERNMENT LEADERS.  ACCOMPANYING MR. PHILLIPSON TODAY ARE PAUL

                    SCHIPUL, VICE CONSUL FOR POLITICAL AFFAIRS, AND BEN BRIERLEY, CONSUL

                    SENIOR TRADE POLICY ADVISORS FOR NEW YORK AND BOSTON.  WE ARE

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    EXTREMELY PLEASED TO HAVE THESE GENTLEMEN JOINING US IN SESSION

                    TODAY.  WE ADOPTED A RESOLUTION AT THE CLOSE OF YESTERDAY'S SESSION

                    RECOGNIZING THEIR VISIT TO THE CAPITAL REGION, WHICH I WILL BE

                    PRESENTING TO THEM LATER TODAY.  MR. SPEAKER, PLEASE GIVE THEM THE

                    COURTESY AND CORDIALITY OF THE HOUSE.  THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  ON BEHALF OF MS.

                    WEINSTEIN, THE SPEAKER AND ALL OTHER MEMBERS, WE WELCOME OUR

                    DISTINGUISHED GUESTS FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND

                    THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR AND HOPE YOU ENJOY THE PROCEEDINGS.  THANK

                    YOU FOR JOINING US HERE TODAY.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. JONES FOR AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. JONES:  MR. SPEAKER, THANK YOU FOR THE

                    OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MEMBERS OF THE OLDER ADULTS TECHNOLOGY

                    SERVICES PROGRAM.  THOSE HERE TODAY IN THE ASSEMBLY CHAMBER

                    REPRESENT THE 550 MEMBERS OF THE OLDER ADULTS TECHNOLOGY SERVICES

                    SENIOR PLANET EXPLORATION CENTER IN PLATTSBURGH.  SINCE ITS OPENING IN

                    NOVEMBER 2015, OATS HAS HOSTED FIVE- AND TEN-WEEK DIGITAL

                    TECHNOLOGY COURSES, AND ALL OF SENIOR PLANETS COURSES AND EVENTS ARE

                    FREE.  SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN NEW YORK CITY IN 2004, OATS HAS TAUGHT

                    COMPUTER CLASSES TO THOUSANDS OF NEW YORK CITY SENIORS, AND IN 2013

                    OPENED THE SENIOR PLANET EXPLORATION CENTER IN THE CHELSEA

                    NEIGHBORHOOD IN ASSEMBLYMAN GOTTFRIED'S DISTRICT, WHICH BECAME THE

                    FIRST SENIOR CENTER IN THE COUNTRY DEDICATED TO TECHNOLOGY.  MY

                    CONSTITUENTS ARE HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT THE WORK OATS IS DOING IN THE

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    115TH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT TO CONNECT SENIORS LIVING IN RURAL AREAS TO

                    OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD THROUGH THE USE OF

                    TECHNOLOGY.

                                 MR. SPEAKER, I ASK THAT YOU EXTEND ALL THE CORDIALITIES

                    OF THE CHAMBER TO THE OLDER ADULTS TECHNOLOGY SERVICES MEMBERSHIP,

                    AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE THEM.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  ON BEHALF OF MR.

                    JONES, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME OUR

                    DISTINGUISHED GUESTS FROM THE PLATTSBURGH AREA TO THE CHAMBERS TODAY,

                    AND WE EXTEND TO THEM THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR AND HOPE THAT YOU

                    ENJOY THE PROCEEDINGS.  THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. MORINELLO FOR AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  I'M

                    PLEASED TO INTRODUCE MICHAEL LEE, MARCO SANTIAGO, DAVID KOK, JR.,

                    JOHN MARCYAN, JR., SHAUN BIELEC, MICHAEL CORCORAN, SCOTT BAX AND

                    DAVID KOK, SR.  THESE ARE MEMBERS OF THE NIAGARA FALLS, NEW YORK

                    POLICE DEPARTMENT.  BEING A BORDER CITY, THEIR JOB IS COMPLICATED BY

                    MANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN THEY ARE

                    PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF NIAGARA FALLS AND THE VISITORS THERE, TOO.

                    THEY JOIN WITH THE STATE POLICE IN THE PARKS IN PROTECTING THE STATE

                    PARKS, WHICH ARE OWNED BY THE STATE.  I AM PROUD TO BRING THEM TO

                    ALBANY AND HAVE THEM INTRODUCED ON THE FLOOR.  MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

                    WOULD HONOR THEM WITH THE COURTESY AND CORDIALITY OF THE CHAMBER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER RYAN:  ON BEHALF OF MR.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    MORINELLO, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME MEMBERS OF

                    THE NIAGARA FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THE CHAMBERS.  WE EXTEND THE

                    PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR, AND WE HOPE YOU ENJOY THE PROCEEDINGS.  THANK

                    YOU FOR JOINING US HERE TODAY.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MS. LUPARDO FOR AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

                    SPEAKER.  COLLEAGUES, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THE FUTURE FARMERS

                    OF AMERICA WERE HERE TODAY.  THEY WERE DOWN ON THE CONCOURSE WITH

                    MANY OF THEIR DISPLAYS.  WE ARE VERY HAPPY THAT THEY ARE HERE.  WE ARE

                    JOINED IN THE CHAMBER BY THREE FAA MEMBERS, THEY'RE STANDING IN THE

                    BACK.  WE HAVE TAYLOR ROLLINS FROM MADISON; PEYTON FONTAINE,

                    PIONEER, AND BRANDON PHELPS FROM LOWVILLE.  THE FUTURE FARMERS

                    CLUBS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY STARTED BACK IN THE 1920'S WITH A HANDFUL

                    OF MEMBERS, AND NOW HAS GROWN TO MORE THAN 610,000 MEMBERS IN

                    MORE THAN 6,600 CHAPTERS -- 7,600 CHAPTERS IN ALL 50 STATES, AS WELL AS

                    PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, AND WE HOPE TO SEE MORE CHAPTERS

                    DOWN IN NEW YORK CITY THIS YEAR.  SO IF YOU WOULD WISH THEM A

                    WELCOME, I'M VERY GRATEFUL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF MS. LUPARDO, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU

                    HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY, EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF

                    THE FLOOR, OUR THANKS BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE FILLED THE

                    -- THE CAPITOL TODAY.  WE ARE ALL HAPPY THAT YOU'VE COME.  WE WISH

                    YOU SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE, AND WE ARE MINDFUL THAT AGRICULTURE IS ONE OF

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    THE LARGEST INDUSTRIES HERE IN THIS STATE AND ESSENTIAL BECAUSE WE FEED

                    THE WORLD.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.  CONTINUE YOUR GREAT WORK.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  THANK YOU, MR.

                    SPEAKER.  COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE TO

                    THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM?  CHAIRWOMAN WEINSTEIN HAS ALREADY

                    MADE HER WAY THERE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  WAYS AND MEANS,

                    SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.  MEMBERS, PLEASE GO IMMEDIATELY.  IF

                    YOU ARE WITHIN THE SOUND OF OUR VOICE, PLEASE COME TO THE SPEAKER'S

                    CONFERENCE ROOM AND TO CHAMBER.  THANK YOU.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, IF WE CAN

                    CONTINUE OUR WORK NOW ON PAGE 3 WITH RESOLUTIONS, AND THEN WE'RE

                    GOING TO GO ON TO PAGE 59 AND START WITH CALENDAR NO. 380.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 740, MS.

                    LUPARDO.  LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR ANDREW M.

                    CUOMO TO PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 22-29, 2020, AS FFA WEEK IN THE STATE

                    OF NEW YORK.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

                    THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS

                    ADOPTED.

                                 (PAUSE)

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  MR. FRIEND FOR AN

                    INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. FRIEND:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, FOR ALLOWING

                    ME TO INTERRUPT OUR PROCEEDINGS.  ON BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMAN

                    PALMESANO, ASSEMBLYMAN GIGLIO, ASSEMBLYWOMAN BYRNES AND

                    MYSELF, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME TO THE CHAMBER MEMBERS OF REALITY

                    CHECK:  AMBER UPDIKE, ARIANNA HASKINS, SHANE LEHMAN, WALLY

                    LONGWELL, SAMANTHA WHITE AND MICHELLE LARIMORE, WHO ARE BOTH THE

                    COORDINATORS FOR THE GROUP.  THEY'VE BEEN UP HERE TODAY AND YESTERDAY

                    ADVOCATING FOR DECREASING YOUTH ACCESS TO CIGARETTES AND TOBACCO

                    PRODUCTS, AND THE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES THAT ARE PROMOTED WITHIN THE

                    STORES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE ASPECTS THAT HAPPEN WITHIN OUR SCHOOL

                    DISTRICTS WHEN KIDS ARE TRYING TO SUBVERT THE POLICIES IN THE SCHOOL

                    SYSTEM IN ORDER TO CONTINUE VAPING OR SMOKING.  IT'S BEEN A REAL

                    LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME AND I JUST WANT TO WELCOME THEM TO THE

                    CHAMBER AND THANK THEM FOR TRAVELING TO ALBANY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  ABSOLUTELY.  ON

                    BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMEMBER FRIEND, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS,

                    WE WELCOME YOU TO THE CHAMBER AND EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR

                    AND HOPE YOU ENJOY THE PROCEEDINGS.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

                    JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 CONSENT BEGINNING WITH CALENDAR NO. 380, THE CLERK

                    WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09060, CALENDAR NO.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    380, WRIGHT, BLAKE.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION

                    TO SIGNIFICANT PROGRAMMATIC ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR LIMITED CREDIT TIME

                    ALLOWANCES FOR CERTAIN INMATES.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  THANK YOU, MR.

                    SPEAKER.  COLLEAGUES THAT ARE IN AND AROUND THE CHAMBERS, IF YOU CAN

                    COME IN AND CAST YOUR FIRST VOTE OF TODAY.  IT'S THE FIRST VOTE ON THE

                    SECOND DAY OF THE FIFTH WEEK OF THE 243RD LEGISLATIVE SESSION OF THE

                    NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY.  FIRST VOTE OF THE DAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  FIRST VOTE OF THE DAY,

                    MEMBERS.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 A PIECE OF HOUSEKEEPING.

                                 ON A MOTION BY MS. WALKER, PAGE 56, CALENDAR NO.

                    322, BILL NO. A08280-B IS RESTORED TO ITS PREVIOUS PRINT.

                                 (PAUSE)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, WOULD YOU

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    PLEASE CALL A RULES COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM?

                    RULES COMMITTEE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  THE RULES

                    COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

                                 AND THE CLERK WILL CONTINUE WITH CALENDAR NO. 381.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09061, CALENDAR NO.

                    381, WEPRIN, BLAKE.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION

                    TO THE DETENTION OF INDIVIDUALS IN A COUNTY JAIL PENDING A FIRST COURT

                    APPEARANCE IN AN OFF-HOURS ARRAIGNMENT PART.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09062, CALENDAR NO.

                    382, WEPRIN, BLAKE.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION

                    TO REQUIRING A REPORT ON THE DEATH AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF AN INMATE TO BE

                    SENT TO CERTAIN RECIPIENTS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  ON A -- LAID ASIDE.

                    OH, I GOTTA SAY IT FIRST.

                                 ON A MOTION BY MR. WEPRIN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE

                    THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.  LAID ASIDE -- AND THE BILL IS

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09127, CALENDAR NO.

                    383, CRESPO.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC HOUSING LAW, IN RELATION TO

                    REQUIRING A CONSPICUOUS MEMORANDUM REGARDING THE DISRUPTION OF VITAL

                    SERVICES.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  ON A MOTION BY MR.

                    CRESPO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER BURKE:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ARE THERE -- SHH,

                    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 MR. GOODELL FOR THE PURPOSES OF A [SIC] INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  ON

                    BEHALF OF ASSEMBLYMAN BYRNE AND ASSEMBLYMAN BRABENEC, IT IS MY

                    PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TWO DISTINGUISHED GUESTS, ALEX CARUSO AND

                    GASPARE COSTANZO.  THEY ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE DAIRY AND CHEESE

                    INDUSTRY AND BRAND AMBASSADORS FOR THE ITALIAN-AMERICAN CHEESE

                    PRODUCERS.  MANY PRODUCTS ARE MADE RIGHT HERE IN NEW YORK STATE, SO

                    FOR ALL THE CHEESE LOVERS, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THEM HERE.  IF YOU'LL

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                    EXTEND THE GREETINGS ON BEHALF OF OUR CHAMBER AND EXTEND TO THEM THE

                    PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.  THANK YOU, SIR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF ASSEMBLYMEMBERS BYRNES [SIC] AND BRABENEC, WE WELCOME YOU TO

                    THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY, EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

                    FLOOR.  THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AND ALSO JOINED BY THE SPEAKER AND ALL

                    THE MEMBERS, WE WISH YOU WELL.  HOPE YOUR TRIP TO ALBANY HAS BEEN

                    BENEFICIAL, AND PLEASE COME BACK AND VISIT US SOON.  THANK YOU SO

                    VERY MUCH.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09128, CALENDAR NO.

                    384, LAVINE, BLAKE.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE ELECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO

                    THE TIMING OF THE ANNUAL CHECK OF REGISTRANTS; AND PROVIDING FOR THE

                    REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON A MOTION BY MR.

                    LAVINE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, WOULD YOU

                    ADVANCE THE A-CALENDAR SO THAT WE MIGHT TAKE IT UP IMMEDIATELY?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON MRS.

                    PEOPLES-STOKES' MOTION, THE A-CALENDAR IS ADVANCED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, IF WE CAN

                    GO TO PAGE 3, BEGINNING WITH RULES REPORT NO. 10, FOLLOWED BY NO. 11

                    IN THAT ORDER, MR. RYAN, ON DEBATE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL READ.

                                 SHH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09136, RULES REPORT

                    NO. 10, RYAN, COLTON.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE LABOR LAW, IN RELATION TO

                    INCREASING THE LENGTH OF THE SUSPENSION PERIOD APPLICABLE TO CERTAIN

                    STRIKING WORKERS WHO SEEK TO OBTAIN UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  AN EXPLANATION IS --

                    OH, HOLD ON ONE MINUTE.  ON A MOTION BY MR. RYAN, THE SENATE BILL IS

                    BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

                                 MR. RYAN, AN EXPLANATION IS REQUESTED.

                                 MEMBERS, WE ARE ON DEBATE.  PLEASE HOLD DOWN YOUR

                    CONVERSATIONS, EVEN IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER.

                                 MR. RYAN:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  THIS BILL

                    WOULD ADJUST THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WORKERS ON STRIKE MUST WAIT

                    BEFORE FILING A CLAIM FOR UNINSURANCE [SIC] BENEFITS, AND IT WILL BE

                    CONSISTENT WITH NON-UNION STRIKING CLAIMANTS.  CURRENTLY IN LAW,

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    WORKERS OF NEW YORK STATE ARE PERMITTED TO RECEIVE UNEMPLOYMENT

                    BENEFITS FOR STRIKING AFTER THEY'VE WAITED FOR SEVEN WEEKS.  THIS LAW

                    WOULD CHANGE IT FROM A SEVEN-WEEK PERIOD OF DELAY TO A TWO-WEEK

                    PERIOD OF DELAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. GOODELL.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  WOULD

                    THE SPONSOR YIELD?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  WILL YOU YIELD, MR.

                    RYAN?

                                 MR. RYAN:  CERTAINLY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. RYAN YIELDS.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RYAN.

                    IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REASON THAT CURRENT LAW EXISTS WITH A

                    SEVEN-WEEK DELAY IS BECAUSE FOR THE LAST 80 YEARS, THE STATE HAS TAKEN A

                    POSITION THAT WE SHOULD NOT REQUIRE EMPLOYERS TO FUND STRIKES.  AND, OF

                    COURSE, UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE PAID BY A CHARGE TO THE EMPLOYER.

                    AND SO, THE STATE'S POLICY IS REFLECTED IN NUMEROUS CASES AND

                    LEGISLATIVE HISTORY IS THAT IF THERE'S A STRIKE, THE STATE SHOULD STAY OUT OF

                    IT AND NOT FORCE EMPLOYERS TO PAY OR -- OR PENALIZE EMPLOYEES.  WHY

                    SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT POLICY THAT HAS SERVED NEW YORK STATE FOR EIGHT

                    DECADES?

                                 MR. RYAN:  WELL, CERTAINLY THAT'S AN INTERESTING

                    QUESTION, AND THIS DOES REFLECT A POLICY CHANGE, BUT IT'S NOT SO CUT AND

                    DRY.  WHILE WORKERS HAD TO WAIT SEVEN WEEKS, OTHERS STATES DON'T ALLOW

                    ANY BENEFIT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON STRIKE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                               FEBRUARY 4, 2020

                    AND EACH STATE APPROACHES THIS DIFFERENTLY.  AND WHILE NEW YORK

                    STATE DID HAVE THAT SEVEN WEEK RULE THAT WE HOPE TO CHANGE TODAY, YOU

                    MUST REMEMBER THAT DURING THIS TIME, IF YOU WERE LOCKED OUT OF YOUR

                    JOB, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COLLECT UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS OR, IN FACT, IF

                    YOU WERE REPLACED DURING A STRIKE, YOU COULD THEN COLLECT

                    UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.

                                 SO WHILE FOR THE BULK OF THE CLAIMS YOU HAD TO WAIT

                    AFTER SEVEN WEEKS, THERE WERE SEVERAL INSTANCES OF LESS THAN SEVEN

                    WEEKS, AND THAT BASICALLY REFLECTS THE CONCEPT IS -- THE FREEDOM TO FORM

                    A UNION AND STRIKE IS GIVEN TO US UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.  SO THE

                    U.S. CONSTITUTION GIVES YOU THE RIGHT, THE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND

                    FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION.  SO, STATES HAVE GRAPPLED WITH THIS IDEA OF YOU

                    HAVE TO PAY A FEE, ESSENTIALLY, TO ASSERT YOUR RIGHTS.

                                 SO, YOU PAY INTO THE UNEMPLOYMENT FUND AS A WORKER

                    AND YOU GO TO A WORK STOPPAGE, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RETRIEVE YOUR

                    MONEY OUT OF THE FUND FOR SEVEN WEEKS.  NO ONE KNOWS WHY WE DID

                    SEVEN WEEKS, BUT NEW JERSEY RECENTLY CHANGED THEIR RULES FROM A VERY

                    LONG WAITING PERIOD TO A THREE-WEEK WAITING PERIOD.  SO, IN SOME WAYS

                    WE'LL BE COMING INTO LINE WITH NEW JERSEY.  BUT JUST TO MAKE NO

                    MISTAKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WORKERS STARVED FROM THE BARGAINING

                    TABLE BACK TO THE WORKPLACE.  WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE

                    THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS NOT UNDER ECONOMIC PENALTY.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  WELL, YOU BROUGHT UP AN

                    INTERESTING POINT, AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON EXISTING LAW.

                    THE EXISTING LAW DOESN'T IMPOSE AN AUTOMATIC SEVEN WEEK REGARDLESS

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                    OF WHAT HAPPENS.  IF THE EMPLOYER ENGAGES IN A LOCKOUT, THEN

                    EMPLOYEES UNDER CURRENT LAW CAN IMMEDIATELY COLLECT, RIGHT?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT'S CORRECT.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  AND IF THE EMPLOYER REPLACES A

                    STRIKING WORKER WITH A PERMANENT WORKER, THEN THE WORKER CAN

                    IMMEDIATELY COLLECT, CORRECT?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT IS CORRECT, MR. GOODELL.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  SO THE CURRENT LAW REFLECTS THE

                    BACK AND FORTH PLAY IF IT'S AN EMPLOYER-INITIATED LOCKOUT OR THE

                    EMPLOYERS REPLACING AN EMPLOYEE, THE EMPLOYEES ARE ENTITLED TO

                    IMMEDIATE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS WHICH ARE PAID FOR, OF COURSE, BY

                    THE EMPLOYER IN CONTRIBUTIONS.  ON THE OTHER HAND, UNDER CURRENT LAW,

                    IF IT'S THE EMPLOYEES THAT INITIATE THE WALKOUT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OR

                    WITHOUT A LOCKOUT OR ANYTHING, BUT IF THE EMPLOYEES INITIATE IT, THEN THE

                    EMPLOYEES WAIT.  YOUR -- THIS PROPOSED BILL WOULD CHANGE IT SO THAT IF

                    AN EMPLOYER INITIATES IT, THEY GET PAID IMMEDIATELY, AND IF THE

                    EMPLOYEES INITIATE IT, THEY'LL NOW BE PAID MUCH QUICKER, CORRECT?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT'S CORRECT.  SO EACH OF THESE IS A

                    POLICY -- POLICY DECISION WE MADE.  SO, PROVIDING STRIKE PAY TO PEOPLE

                    LOCKED OUT OR PERMANENTLY REPLACED IS A POLICY DECISION.  ALL STATES DO

                    IT DIFFERENTLY.  SOME STATES DO NOT PROVIDE UNEMPLOYMENT UNDER THOSE

                    SITUATIONS.  AND, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU MENTIONED THE EMPLOYER IS

                    PAYING FOR UNEMPLOYMENT, BUT THE EMPLOYEES PAY INTO THE FUND, ALSO.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  WHICH IS WHY THEY COLLECT

                    IMMEDIATELY IF THEY'RE LOCKED OUT OR IF THEY'RE REPLACED, AND THEY DO

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                    COLLECT UNDER CURRENT LAW AFTER SEVEN WEEKS, CORRECT?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT'S CORRECT, YUP.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT DIFFERENT

                    STATES DO IT DIFFERENTLY.  HOW MANY STATES AUTHORIZE UNEMPLOYMENT

                    BENEFITS FOR STRIKING WORKERS?

                                 MR. RYAN:  FOUR.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  AND NEW YORK IS ONE OF THE FOUR

                    NOW.

                                 MR. RYAN:  NEW YORK IS ONE OF THE FOUR, THAT'S

                    CORRECT.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  AND SO THE OTHER 46 THAT ARE

                    COMPETING WITH US FOR BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRY, THEY DON'T PROVIDE

                    UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS LIKE WE DO ALREADY?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT'S CORRECT, YUP.  YOU NEED IT FOR

                    LOCKOUTS, FOR REPLACEMENTS OR ANY -- ANY WORK STOPPAGE.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  SO, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PROGRAM

                    THAT IN NEW YORK IS ALREADY MORE GENEROUS THAN 46 STATES AND MAKE IT

                    EVEN MORE GENEROUS?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT'S RIGHT.  THE REASON WE BECOME A

                    HIGH WAGE STATE IN NEW YORK IS BECAUSE WE ALLOW WORKERS TO

                    NEGOTIATE WITH THEIR EMPLOYERS.  YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE SEEN THE

                    DECAYING WAGES PAID TO AMERICAN WORKERS IN THE LAST 30 YEARS,

                    CERTAINLY THE LEVEL OF PAY HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH PRODUCTIVITY INCREASES,

                    BUT DURING THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME, THERE WAS A DECREASE IN

                    UNIONIZATION, BUT ALSO A -- A DECREASE IN STRIKES.  SO, IT BECAME HARDER

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                    AND HARDER FOR AN AVERAGE AMERICAN WHOSE WAGES AND REAL DOLLARS IS

                    DECREASING TO EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO A STRIKE.

                                 SO, THAT'S THE PICKLE THAT WE'RE -- WE'RE TRYING TO GET

                    OUT OF IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT POLICY.  AND OTHER STATES

                    HAVE WRESTLED WITH THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.  THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OLD, OLD

                    CASE LAW OUT OF MASSACHUSETTS SAYING PEOPLE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO

                    STRIKE PAY BECAUSE WHAT IF ONLY 51 PERCENT VOTED TO GO ON STRIKE?

                    WELL, THE OTHER 49 PERCENT CAN'T GO TO WORK EITHER.  OR, RECENTLY, THERE

                    WAS WORK STOPPAGES IN WESTERN NEW YORK THIS SUMMER WHERE IT

                    AFFECTED NOT ONLY THOSE UNIONIZED EMPLOYEES, BUT OTHER PEOPLE AT THAT

                    FACILITY BECAUSE THE WHOLE FACILITY SHUTS DOWN.

                                 BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO KEEP THIS IN MIND IN TERMS OF IF

                    YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THIS BILL ENCOURAGING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO GO ON

                    STRIKE, MAKE NO MISTAKE, AN EMPLOYEE WHO GOES ON STRIKE WILL NEVER

                    RECOVER THE ECONOMIC LOSS.  SO, THE RECENT WORK STOPPAGE WE'RE

                    PROBABLY MOST FAMILIAR WITH THIS SUMMER, THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS,

                    THEY GOT $250 STRIKE PAY.  AND THE CAP FOR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE IN

                    NEW YORK STATE IS ONLY $450.  SO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOSING A LOT OF

                    MONEY WHETHER YOU GO ON STRIKE AND GET UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS OR IF

                    YOU DON'T.

                                 SO, WORK STOPPAGES IN NEW YORK STATE ARE WAY DOWN.

                    STRIKES ARE -- ARE WAY DOWN.  IT'S NOT THE PREFERRED WAY TO BARGAIN A

                    CONTRACT ANYMORE, BUT WHEN IT DOES COME TO THIS IMPASSE POINT AND A

                    STRIKE DOES OCCUR, WE DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF STARVING EMPLOYEES BACK

                    TO THE BARGAINING TABLE AND MAKING THEM TAKE A CONTRACT ONLY BECAUSE

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                    THEY NEED TO PUT BREAD ON THE TABLE FOR NEXT WEEK'S GROCERIES.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  OF COURSE DURING A TIME PERIOD OF A

                    STRIKE, AN EMPLOYER IS ALSO LIKELY LOSING MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT

                    HAVING ANY PRODUCTION AND, IN FACT, THE STRIKE THAT AFFECTED GM

                    RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF REPORTED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.  AND

                    SO, IT'S A TWO-WAY STRAIGHT -- STREET.

                                 MR. RYAN:  IT DID, IN FACT, RESULT IN THE LOSS OF

                    MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BUT, REST ASSURED, THAT GENERAL MOTORS STILL CLOSED

                    OUT THE YEAR WITH MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR PROFITS.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  AND OBVIOUSLY FOR MANY, MANY

                    REASONS, SOME... BUT TOUCHING BASE A LITTLE BIT ON WHO CAN QUALIFY AND

                    WHO CAN'T.

                                 MR. RYAN:  SURE.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  IF AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE DECIDES

                    TO QUIT WITHOUT GOOD CAUSE, THEY JUST START WORKING THERE, THEY WANT TO

                    WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS,

                    CORRECT?

                                 MR. RYAN:  THAT'S CORRECT.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  AND SO, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF YOU

                    QUIT ON YOUR OWN, YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, BUT IF

                    YOU'RE PART OF A UNION AND YOU GO ON STRIKE, YOU WOULD BE ENTITLED TO

                    UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS AFTER -- UNDER THIS BILL AFTER A FEW WEEKS?

                                 MR. RYAN:  YES.  IF YOU'RE -- AS OPPOSED TO QUITTING,

                    IF YOU'RE PART OF THE CONCERTED ACTION THAT'S PART OF A STRIKE, THEN YOU

                    WILL BE ABLE TO COLLECT UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, AS YOU CURRENTLY ARE IN

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                    NEW YORK STATE AFTER SEVEN WEEKS.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT, OF

                    COURSE, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS IMMEDIATELY IF IT'S A

                    LOCKOUT OR IF -- OR IF THERE'S A REPLACEMENT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO ENTITLED TO

                    UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT, IF YOU LOSE YOUR JOB

                    BECAUSE SOME OTHER UNIT IS STRIKING?  IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT YOUR UNIT

                    THAT'S STRIKING, BUT THAT AFFECTS YOU; YOU'RE STILL ENTITLED TO BENEFITS

                    IMMEDIATELY, CORRECT?

                                 MR. RYAN:  YOU ARE.  WHEN YOU SAY "IMMEDIATELY,"

                    JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT EVERY WORKER IN NEW YORK STATE HAS TO WAIT ONE

                    WEEK BEFORE THEY'RE ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.  SO, UNDER

                    YOUR SCENARIO, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO WAIT A WEEK AND THEN WOULD BE

                    ENTITLED.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  NOW I - IN MY DISTRICT, AND I'M SURE

                    THE SAME IS TRUE WITH YOUR DISTRICT - WE HAVE EMPLOYERS THAT HAVE

                    MULTIPLE PLANTS, SOME IN NEW YORK, SOME IN PENNSYLVANIA, NEW

                    JERSEY, CONNECTICUT.  HOW'S ARE YOU OR I UNEMPLOYMENT COSTS COMPARE

                    IN NEW YORK COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORING STATES?

                                 MR. RYAN:  WELL, EVERY STATE HAS DIFFERENT

                    UNEMPLOYMENT COSTS BASED ON THE BENEFITS THAT THEIR POLICYMAKERS

                    CHOOSE TO PAY IN UNEMPLOYMENT.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  AND AM I CORRECT, THOUGH, THAT

                    NEW YORK'S ARE AMONGST THE HIGHEST IN THE NATION?

                                 MR. RYAN:  I HAVEN'T COMPARED NEW YORK'S TO ANY

                    -- ANY OTHER STATES, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT IS A CAP OF $450 A WEEK THAT --

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                    IF THAT COMES OUT TO A [SIC] HOURLY WAGE IS A PRETTY LOW HOURLY WAGE.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  MR. RYAN, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY

                    MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.  I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS AND YOUR

                    UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS BILL.

                                 MR. RYAN:  THANK YOU.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  ON THE BILL, SIR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE BILL, SIR.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  SO, FOR THE LAST 80 YEARS WE'VE HAD

                    A BALANCE IN NEW YORK WHERE WE TRIED TO BALANCE THE RIGHTS OF

                    EMPLOYERS WHO PAY INTO THE UNEMPLOYMENT SYSTEM AND THE RIGHTS OF

                    EMPLOYEES WHO MAY BE ON STRIKE.  AND WHAT WE'VE SAID IN NEW YORK

                    FOR THE LAST 80 YEARS IS IF THE EMPLOYER LOCKS YOU OUT SO YOU CANNOT GO

                    TO WORK, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS WITHOUT ANY

                    ADDITIONAL DELAY.  OR, IF YOU GO ON STRIKE AND THE EMPLOYER REPLACES

                    YOU PERMANENTLY, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS WITHOUT

                    ANY ADDITIONAL DELAY.  OR, IF YOU'RE NOT WORKING BECAUSE SOME OTHER

                    UNIT WITH YOUR EMPLOYER IS ON STRIKE, YOU GET THAT UNEMPLOYMENT

                    BENEFITS, AND THOSE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE PAID BY THE EMPLOYER.

                                 ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU QUIT AND YOU WALK OFF THE

                    JOB, YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.  IF YOU QUIT EN

                    MASSE IN THE FORM OF A STRIKE, THEN WE'VE TRIED TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE

                    AND WE'VE SAID FOR SEVEN WEEKS YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO UNEMPLOYMENT

                    BENEFITS, BUT IF THE STRIKE GOES ON LONGER THAN THAT, YOU GET

                    UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.  AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE UNIONS THROUGHOUT

                    NEW YORK STATE AND NATIONALLY, KNOWING THAT THAT'S THE RULE IN NEW

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                    YORK, HAVE PUT ASIDE MONEY FOR A STRIKE FUND SO THAT IF THEIR EMPLOYEES

                    GO OUT, THEY HAVE PAYMENTS THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE UNION THAT

                    OFFSET THAT TEMPORARY LOSS OF BENEFITS.

                                 CORNELL UNIVERSITY DID A STUDY ON THIS IN 1992, A FAIRLY

                    COMPREHENSIVE, THOUGHTFUL STUDY, AND BASED ON A CROSS-SECTION

                    ANALYSIS LOOKING AT NEW YORK AND MANY OTHER STATES THEY SAID THE

                    EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR AND STRONG, THAT'S THEIR WORD, "AND STRONG,"

                    THAT THE SOONER YOU PROVIDE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, THE MORE STRIKES

                    OCCUR.  AND, OF COURSE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ALL OF US BECAUSE IF YOU'RE

                    PAYING PEOPLE WHILE THEY'RE OUT ON STRIKE, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE SO

                    THEY'RE LIKELY TO STRIKE SOONER.  AND GRANTED, UNEMPLOYMENT DOESN'T

                    PAY YOUR FULL SALARY, BUT IT CERTAINLY MAKES IT EASIER TO GO ON STRIKE.

                                 NOW ALL OF US, CERTAINLY ALL OF US IN UPSTATE, BUT

                    CERTAINLY EVEN IN THE CITY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE JOB MARKET.  AND I

                    -- I WAS SHOCKED, AND I'M SURE MANY OF YOU WERE SHOCKED, TO DISCOVER,

                    ACCORDING TO OUR GOVERNOR, THAT ONE-THIRD OF THE RESIDENTS IN NEW

                    YORK STATE QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID.  THINK ABOUT THAT, ONE-THIRD QUALIFY

                    FOR MEDICAID.  THAT MEANS ONE-THIRD OF NEW YORKERS ARE SUFFERING

                    FROM POVERTY OR NEAR POVERTY.  AND THE BEST WAY TO LIFT PEOPLE OUT OF

                    POVERTY IS WITH EMPLOYMENT.  AND WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THE

                    HIGHEST EMPLOYMENT COSTS IN NEW YORK STATE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE

                    HAVING TROUBLE COMPETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORING STATES.

                                 SO THIS BILL, WHICH WILL RAISE COSTS ON EMPLOYERS,

                    INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STRIKES AND REDUCE OUR COMPETITIVENESS

                    ULTIMATELY WILL COST US JOBS.  I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT BALANCE UNDER

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                    CURRENT LAW WHERE WE PROTECT WORKERS IF THEY ARE LAID OFF THROUGH NO

                    FAULT OF THEIR OWN, WHILE NOT FORCING EMPLOYERS TO PAY EMPLOYEES

                    WHILE THEY STRIKE AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST SEVEN WEEKS.  SO FOR THOSE

                    REASONS, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE STAY WITH THE CURRENT LAW AND NOT

                    MAKE THIS CHANGE.

                                 AGAIN, THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS THOUGHTFUL

                    ANSWERS.  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MR. RYAN TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

                                 MR. RYAN:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, THANK YOU

                    VERY MUCH.  AS WE KNOW, THE RIGHT TO STRIKE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT

                    UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.  STRIKES ARE RARE IN NEW YORK

                    STATE.  THEY ONLY HAPPEN AT THE END OF A BIG, BIG PERIOD OF CONFLICT.

                    BUT WE'RE DISCOVERING THAT THE ECONOMIC COST OF STRIKES ON THE

                    EMPLOYEES IS SO HIGH THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR

                    CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.  SO, THE DAY YOU GO ON STRIKE, YOUR HEALTH

                    INSURANCE IS CANCELED, YOU HAVE TO PAY IN, YOU HAVE NO MORE INCOME

                    COMING IN.  SO, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INTRODUCE A NEW POLICY THAT

                    WILL ALLOW YOU TO EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS WITHOUT SUCH A TREMENDOUS

                    ECONOMIC COST.  AND I HOPE THIS WILL HELP TO REBALANCE THE

                    EMPLOYEE/EMPLOYER RIGHTS IN NEW YORK STATE.

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                                 AND I THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  I ENCOURAGE ALL MY

                    COLLEAGUES TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS LEGISLATION AND I WITHDRAW MY

                    REQUEST AND I VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, MR. SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. RYAN IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09646, RULES REPORT

                    NO. 11, MAGNARELLI, CRESPO, DE LA ROSA, JOYNER, PICHARDO, REYES.  AN

                    ACT TO AMEND THE VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC LAW, IN RELATION TO SEATBELTS IN A

                    TAXI OR LIVERY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MR. GOODELL TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

                                 SHH.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

                    SPEAKER, TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.  I -- I WANTED TO COMMEND THE SPONSOR.

                    DURING THE DEBATE ON THE ORIGINAL BILL, CONCERN WAS RAISED THAT WE

                    TREATED PASSENGERS IN A LIMO DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON THEIR AGE.  FOR

                    SOME, THE DRIVER WAS LIABLE IF THE PASSENGER WASN'T WEARING A SEAT BELT.

                    FOR OTHERS, IT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RIDER.  THIS BILL CLARIFIES IT TO

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                    MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RIDER TO PUT THEIR SEAT

                    BELT ON AND RIDE -- RIDE WITH THEIR SEAT BELT.  MAKES A GREAT DEAL OF

                    SENSE FOR A LIMO WHERE THE DRIVER MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE

                    PASSENGERS.  SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE FOR LISTENING TO THE

                    COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED ON DEBATE AND ACTING QUICKLY TO CLARIFY THIS

                    BILL.  I WILL BE VOTING YES.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. GOODELL IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, DO YOU

                    HAVE ANY FURTHER HOUSEKEEPING OR RESOLUTIONS?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  FINE RESOLUTIONS, WE

                    WILL TAKE UP THEM UP WITH ONE VOTE.

                                 ON THE RESOLUTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

                    AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTIONS ARE ADOPTED.

                                 (WHEREUPON, ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NOS. 741-745

                    WERE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, COULD YOU

                    PLEASE CALL ON MR. OTIS FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. OTIS FOR THE

                    PURPOSE OF A [SIC] ANNOUNCEMENT.

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                                 MR. OTIS:  THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE MEETING OF

                    THE DEMOCRATIC CONFERENCE IN THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM

                    IMMEDIATELY UPON THE CONCLUSION OF SESSION.  THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THANK YOU, MR. OTIS.

                    DEMOCRATIC CONFERENCE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING SESSION.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  I NOW MOVE THAT THE

                    ASSEMBLY STANDS ADJOURNED UNTIL THURSDAY, FEBRUARY THE 6TH,

                    TOMORROW BEING A LEGISLATIVE DAY, AND THAT WE WILL RECONVENE AT 2 P.M.

                    FEBRUARY THE 10TH, MONDAY BEING A SESSION DAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE ASSEMBLY STANDS

                    ADJOURNED.

                                 (WHEREUPON, AT 4:48 P.M., THE ASSEMBLY STOOD

                    ADJOURNED UNTIL WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH AT 10:00 A.M., WEDNESDAY

                    BEING A SESSION DAY.)





















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