TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2020                                             3:43 P.M.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE HOUSE WILL COME

                    TO ORDER.

                                 IN THE ABSENCE OF CLERGY, LET US PAUSE FOR A MOMENT OF

                    SILENCE.

                                 (WHEREUPON, A MOMENT OF SILENCE WAS OBSERVED.)

                                 VISITORS ARE INVITED TO JOIN THE MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE

                    OF ALLEGIANCE.

                                 (WHEREUPON, ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY LED VISITORS AND

                    MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.)

                                 A QUORUM BEING PRESENT, THE CLERK WILL READ THE

                    JOURNAL OF MONDAY, MARCH 9TH.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, I MOVE

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                                   MARCH 10, 2020

                    THAT WE DISPENSE WITH THE FURTHER READING OF THE JOURNAL OF MARCH THE

                    9TH AND ASK THAT THE SAME STAND APPROVED.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO

                    ORDERED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, IF THE -- IF I

                    CAN HAVE THE ATTENTION OF COLLEAGUES AND GUESTS THAT ARE IN THE

                    CHAMBERS, JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF QUOTE FOR TODAY BEFORE WE GET

                    STARTED.  TODAY OUR QUOTE IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM OUR OWN COLLEAGUE,

                    ASSEMBLYMEMBER MELISSA MILLER.  AS YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK SHE

                    REINTRODUCED HER SON, WHO I THINK IS NOW ALL OF OUR SONS, OLIVER, ON THE

                    FLOOR, AND SHE USED THESE WORDS, MR. SPEAKER, WHICH I THINK ARE VERY

                    EFFECTIVE AND MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE GREAT STATE OF

                    NEW YORK.  MELISSA SAYS, "I HAVE FOUND THAT ONE VERY EFFECTIVE WAY TO

                    ADVOCATE IS BY SHARING OUR EXPERIENCES AND OUR FEELINGS.  IT TAKES IT

                    FROM BEING JUST WORDS ON A PIECE OF PAPER TO SEEING AND UNDERSTANDING

                    BETTER."  AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER, THESE WORDS ARE FROM OUR OWN COLLEAGUE,

                    ASSEMBLYWOMAN MELISSA MILLER FROM THE 20TH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT.

                                 MEMBERS SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR

                    DESK A CALENDAR AND A DEBATE LIST, AND AFTER ANY INTRODUCTIONS AND/OR

                    HOUSEKEEPING, WE WILL WORK OFF OF THE MAIN CALENDAR AND WE WILL

                    CONSENT 13 NEW BILLS, BEGINNING WITH CALENDAR NO. 459 ON PAGE 4.  WE

                    WILL ALSO CONTINUE CONSENTING FROM THAT SAME CALENDAR, STARTING WITH

                    CALENDAR NO. 448 WHICH IS ON PAGE 58.  AND THERE ARE ALSO BILLS ON THE

                    DEBATE LIST WE WILL -- WHICH WE WILL TAKE UP.  THERE -- PEOPLE SHOULD

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                    BE AWARE THAT THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE A NEED FOR A CONFERENCE AT THE

                    END OF SESSION, BUT WE WILL ALSO BE CALLING FOR GOVERNMENTAL

                    OPERATIONS AND TRANSPORTATION OFF THE FLOOR TODAY.  THAT IS A -- OH,

                    REGARDING THE NEED FOR A MAJORITY CONFERENCE, MR. SPEAKER, WE WILL

                    TALK WITH OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE TO SEE WHAT THEIR

                    NEEDS ARE, AS WELL.

                                 BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU COULD ENTERTAIN ANY

                    INTRODUCTIONS AND/OR HOUSEKEEPING AND, AT THE SAME TIME, MR. SPEAKER,

                    CALL THE GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S

                    CONFERENCE ROOM, WE WILL BEGIN OUR WORK THAT WAY TODAY, AND THANK

                    YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THANK YOU, MRS.

                    PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 ON A MOTION BY MS. WEINSTEIN, PAGE 37, CALENDAR

                    NO. 211, BILL NO. A-05607, AMENDMENTS ARE RECEIVED AND ADOPTED.

                                 GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS IN THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE

                    ROOM IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE.

                                 AND A [SIC] INTRODUCTION -- FOR THE PURPOSES OF A [SIC]

                    INTRODUCTION, MR. BYRNE.

                                 MR. BYRNE:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  I RISE TODAY

                    TO INTRODUCE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MRS. GALEF, MR. TAGUE, MR. ASHBY

                    AND MRS. BARRETT, SOME OF OUR COUNTY CLERK'S FROM THE HUDSON VALLEY.

                    OUR PUTNAM COUNTY CLERK -- CLERK, A PERSONAL FRIEND OF MINE, MICHAEL

                    BARTOLOTTI; HOLLY TANNER FROM COLUMBIA COUNTY, THE COUNTY CLERK

                    THERE; AS WELL AS PAT CUMMINGS, WHO IS THE COUNSEL FOR THE NEW YORK

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                    STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.  BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE HAD A

                    DISTINGUISHED CAREER IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND I'D ASK THAT YOU PLEASE

                    EXTEND THE CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE AND GIVE THEM A GREAT BIG ALBANY

                    WELCOME.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    MR. BYRNE, MRS. GALEF, MR. TAGUE AND MRS. BARRETT, WE WELCOME YOU

                    ALL TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY.  WE EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES

                    OF THE HOUSE ON BEHALF OF THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS.  THANK

                    YOU FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE THAT YOU DO.  WE KNOW IT IS OFTEN

                    UNAPPRECIATED, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR

                    BEING HERE.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. DIPIETRO.

                                 MR. DIPIETRO:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, FOR

                    ALLOWING AN INTRODUCTION.  I'M HERE TODAY TO -- TWO FRIENDS OF MINE, IF

                    YOU COULD HONOR THEM.  IT'S THEIR FIRST TIME IN THE ASSEMBLY CHAMBERS,

                    STEVE KOFTA (PHONETIC), A GOOD FRIEND WHO LIVES IN ORCHARD PARK,

                    ABOUT THREE MILES AWAY FROM ME, THAT'S WHERE THE BUFFALO BILLS PLAY,

                    THE ONLY NEW YORK STATE TEAM, AND HE'S ALSO A DISABLED AMERICAN

                    VETERAN FROM THE 82ND AIRBORNE DIVISION.  AND HE WORKS FOR PATERA

                    (PHONETIC), AND THEY'RE UP THIS WEEK VISITING.  AND LOU GUALIA

                    (PHONETIC), HE'S FROM READING, PENNSYLVANIA AND HE'S COME UP TO VISIT.

                    HE WORKS FOR THE NYPTA AND ALSO A COMPANY OUT OF JAMESTOWN.  AND

                    THEY ARE FIRST TIME IN THE CHAMBERS AND INTERESTED IN WATCHING OUR

                    PROCEEDINGS, AND IF YOU COULD GIVE THEM THE -- ALL THE CORDIALITIES,

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                    THANK YOU.  APPRECIATE THAT.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF MR. DIPIETRO, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME THESE

                    TWO DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMEN HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY,

                    EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR

                    JOINING US, ONE FROM PENNSYLVANIA, THE OTHER FROM ORCHARD PARK.  GO

                    BILLS.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, SIR.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. EPSTEIN FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. EPSTEIN:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  I RISE FOR

                    AN INTRODUCTION.  I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO BE JOINED HERE BY MY MOTHER,

                    WHO'S DECIDED TO BE HERE TODAY, AND WITH HER FRIEND, PAULA BLUM.

                    THEY'RE HERE FOR AN EVENT UP IN ALBANY.  I WISH YOU'D OFFER THE

                    CORDIALITY OF THE HOUSE, THIS IS HER FIRST TIME IN THE CHAMBERS, AND I

                    APPRECIATE THAT.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF MR. EPSTEIN, YOUR SON, WE WELCOME YOU HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE

                    ASSEMBLY, AND ALSO TO YOUR FRIEND.  WE EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF

                    THE FLOOR FROM BEHALF OF THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS.  THANK YOU

                    FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE THAT YOU DO, ENSURING THAT DEMOCRACY CONTINUES

                    TO LIVE IN THIS STATE, AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SHARE WITH YOUR SON

                    AND YOUR SON HAVING SERVED HERE WITH US.  THANK YOU.  YOU ARE FAMILY,

                    YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME HERE.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. REILLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF A [SIC] INTRODUCTION.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                                   MARCH 10, 2020

                                 MR. REILLY:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  I RISE TODAY

                    FOR AN INTRODUCTION.  IT'S FOR MY BETTER HALF, MY WIFE, MARY REILLY, WHO

                    THANK GOD NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE MARRIED 20 YEARS, AND SHE TRULY IS MY

                    ROCK.  SHE IS MY INSPIRATION AND TRULY PROBABLY ONE OF MY TOUGH

                    CONSTITUENTS.

                                 (LAUGHTER)

                                 SOME OF YOU MAY SEEN ME IN -- IN THE MEMBER'S

                    LOUNGE EATING THESE WONDERFUL MEALS THAT SHE SENDS ME UP WITH EACH

                    WEEK.  SO, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW GRATEFUL I AM FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL WOMAN

                    BEHIND ME, AND FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT SHE GIVES ME.  SHE TRULY IS MY

                    PARTNER.  THANK YOU, AND PLEASE EXTEND THE CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE

                    AND WELCOME HER TO ALBANY FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT SHE'S BEEN IN THE

                    CHAMBER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF MR. REILLY, YOUR HUSBAND, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE

                    WELCOME YOU HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY.  AGAIN, YOU ARE

                    FAMILY SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.  HOW HAVE YOU

                    STOOD HIM FOR 20 YEARS?

                                 (LAUGHTER)

                                 CERTAINLY THERE MUST BE --

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 -- CLEARLY YOU HAVE ANGELS IN YOUR BACKGROUND AND

                    WILL CONTINUE TO NEED THEM.

                                 (LAUGHTER)

                                 THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME

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                    HERE.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, IF WE CAN


                    NOW GO TO PAGE 3, RESOLUTIONS, AND START WITH ASSEMBLY NO. 831.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE RESOLUTIONS,

                    THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 831, MS.

                    LUPARDO.  LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR ANDREW M.

                    CUOMO TO PROCLAIM MARCH 10TH, 2020, AS MAPLE DAY IN THE STATE OF

                    NEW YORK.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE RESOLUTIONS

                    [SIC], ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE BILL --

                    THE RESOLUTION IS PASSED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 832, MR.

                    DILAN.  LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR ANDREW M.

                    CUOMO TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2020, AS FIBROMYALGIA AWARENESS MONTH

                    IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

                    THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS

                    ADOPTED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 833, MR.

                    DESTEFANO.  LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR ANDREW

                    M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2020, AS MUSIC IN OUR SCHOOLS MONTH,

                    IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OBSERVANCE OF NATIONAL MUSIC IN OUR SCHOOLS

                    MONTH.

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

                    THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS

                    ADOPTED.

                                 PAGE 4 ON CONSENT, THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A01313-C, CALENDAR

                    NO. 459, PAULIN, GALEF, MOSLEY, CROUCH, DINOWITZ, SEAWRIGHT.  AN ACT

                    TO AMEND THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAW, IN RELATION TO CREATING A PRIVATE RIGHT OF

                    ACTION FOR UNCONSENTED REMOVAL OR TAMPERING WITH A SEXUALLY

                    PROTECTIVE DEVICE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A01424, CALENDAR NO.

                    460, SIMON, ABINANTI, ENGLEBRIGHT, THIELE, L. ROSENTHAL, WEPRIN,

                    D'URSO, LUPARDO, MOSLEY, GALEF, PAULIN, CARROLL, FAHY, COLTON, CAHILL,

                    LIFTON, GLICK, GOTTFRIED, RICHARDSON, NIOU, DAVILA, OTIS, TAYLOR,

                    REYES, ORTIZ, ARROYO, BURKE.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE ENVIRONMENTAL

                    CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO GRANTING PRIVATE CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO

                    INITIATE CIVIL ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS FOR VIOLATIONS OF SUCH LAW.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A05896-A, CALENDAR

                    NO. 461, GALEF, PEOPLES-STOKES, BARRON, DE LA ROSA, ORTIZ, L.

                    ROSENTHAL, TAYLOR, GOTTFRIED, PAULIN, DINOWITZ, ABINANTI, ARROYO,

                    FAHY, GLICK, SIMON, STIRPE, SANTABARBARA, SEAWRIGHT, THIELE, COLTON,

                    QUART, CARROLL, JONES, WEPRIN, JACOBSON, MOSLEY.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE

                    REAL PROPERTY LAW, IN RELATION TO PROHIBITING HOMEOWNERS'

                    ASSOCIATIONS FROM RESTRICTING THE INSTALLATION OR USE OF SOLAR POWER

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                    SYSTEMS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A07971, CALENDAR NO.

                    462, O'DONNELL, ENGLEBRIGHT, PAULIN, LIFTON, COLTON, GOTTFRIED,

                    ABINANTI, PEOPLES-STOKES, STECK, ORTIZ, OTIS, D'URSO, JACOBSON.  AN

                    ACT TO AMEND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO

                    ENACTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ACCESS TO JUSTICE ACT.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A08732, CALENDAR NO.

                    463, LUPARDO, WOERNER, CROUCH, HAWLEY, B. MILLER, STIRPE.  AN ACT TO

                    AMEND THE AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS LAW, THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW AND

                    THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL LAW, IN RELATION TO AUTHORIZING THE

                    MANUFACTURE AND SALE OF ICE CREAM AND OTHER FROZEN DESSERTS MADE

                    WITH LIQUOR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON A MOTION BY MS.

                    LUPARDO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  COLLEAGUES, THIS IS OUR

                    FIRST VOTE OF THE DAY.  THIS IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE NINTH WEEK OF THE

                    243RD LEGISLATIVE SESSION.  PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.  FIRST VOTE OF TODAY.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                                   MARCH 10, 2020

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  FIRST VOTE OF THE DAY,

                    MEMBERS.  PLEASE COME IN TO THE CHAMBER, CAST YOUR VOTE.  IF YOU ARE

                    IN YOUR SEATS, PLEASE VOTE NOW.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

                    COULD PLEASE CALL THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S

                    CONFERENCE ROOM.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  TRANSPORTATION

                    COMMITTEE, SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM IMMEDIATELY.

                                 THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A08970, CALENDAR NO.

                    464, PHEFFER AMATO, WEPRIN.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW

                    AND THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF THE

                    CITY OF NEW YORK, IN RELATION TO THE REVIEW OF CERTAIN CLAIMS; TO

                    AMEND A CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF 2019, AMENDING THE GENERAL

                    MUNICIPAL LAW AND OTHER LAWS RELATING TO SICK LEAVE FOR OFFICERS AND

                    EMPLOYEES WITH A QUALIFYING WORLD TRADE CENTER CONDITION, AS

                    PROPOSED IN LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBERS S.5890-A AND A.7819-A, IN

                    RELATION TO SICK LEAVE FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WITH A QUALIFYING WORLD

                    TRADE CENTER CONDITION AND RIGHTS OF PUBLIC EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES

                    RELATING THERETO; AND TO REPEAL CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE

                    LAW RELATING THERETO.

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON A MOTION BY MS.

                    PHEFFER AMATO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 MR. -- THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 MR. GOODELL.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

                    SPEAKER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE A GREAT GUEST TO OUR

                    CHAMBER, PATRICIA CANZONERI - BOY, I HAVE TROUBLE WITH - THE LAST NAME

                    IS FITZPATRICK, WHICH IS A GREAT IRISH NAME, OF COURSE.  PATRICIA IS HERE

                    WITH THOMAS CALLAHAN, TIM SULLIVAN.  THEY'RE WITH THE -- TIM

                    SULLIVAN IS THE MALVERNE VILLAGE TRUSTEE.  PATRICIA IS THE DEPUTY

                    MAYOR OF THAT GREAT VILLAGE, AND A TRUSTEE.  SHE'S A LAWYER WHO IS VERY

                    SUCCESSFUL WITH A PRACTICE IN FRANKLIN SQUARE, WHICH IS IN MR. RA'S

                    DISTRICT.  HER SON, THOMAS, IS A STUDENT AT WILLIAM & MARY.  AND IF

                    YOU WOULD WELCOME PATRICIA, THOMAS AND TIM, ALL HAILING FROM THE

                    SAME AREA AND GREAT, GREAT RESIDENTS UP HERE VISITING US AND WATCHING

                    OUR LEGISLATURE IN ACTION.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF MR. RA, PATRICIA, THOMAS AND MARY [SIC], WE WELCOME YOU HERE TO

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                                   MARCH 10, 2020

                    THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY, EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

                    FLOOR, AND THE WELCOME OF THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS.  PLEASE

                    KNOW THAT WE ARE PLEASED THAT YOU'RE HERE.  WE APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR

                    PUBLIC SERVICE AND FOR OBVIOUSLY RAISING A GREAT YOUNG MAN.  THANK

                    YOU SO VERY MUCH.  CONTINUE THAT GREAT WORK.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. GOODELL:  MR. SPEAKER, IT IS ALSO MY GREAT

                    HONOR TO INTRODUCE JODI, HER NAME IS SPELLED EXACTLY LIKE MR. GIGLIO'S,

                    BUT IT'S PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY, GIG-LEE-O.  JODI IS IN MR. PALUMBO'S

                    DISTRICT.  SHE'S A RIVERHEAD TOWN COUNCILWOMAN AND OWNS AND

                    OPERATES A CONSTRUCTION SUPPLY COMPANY, A NEW YORK STATE RECOGNIZED

                    WOMAN BUSINESS ENTERPRISE.  AND WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT

                    IT IS TO HAVE WOMEN BEING SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS, AND WE'RE -- HAVE

                    THAT GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE BLESSED WITH HER PRESENCE HERE IN THE

                    CHAMBER TODAY.  IF YOU WOULD EXTEND OUR WELCOME AND THE COURTESIES

                    OF THE FLOOR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF MR. PALUMBO, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU

                    HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY.  WE EXTEND TO YOU THE

                    PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR, OUR CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS

                    ENDEAVORS.  WE HOPE YOU WILL KEEP THAT UP, MWBES ARE VERY

                    IMPORTANT TO THIS HOUSE AND WE ARE ALWAYS PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE BEEN

                    ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND EMPLOY THE PEOPLE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

                    THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                                   MARCH 10, 2020

                                 AND, SIR.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THIS IS A RED LETTER DAY FOR US HERE

                    IN THE LEGISLATIVE CHAMBERS.  WE HAVE WITH US JAMIE SILVESTRI.  JAMIE

                    IS A LIFETIME LONG ISLANDER WHO IS A GRADUATE OF FARMINGDALE STATE

                    COLLEGE, WORKS IN THE FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY WHICH, AS WE KNOW,

                    IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMY HERE IN NEW YORK STATE.  SHE WORKS IN

                    MELVILLE, NEW YORK, IS AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY MEMBER IN HUNTINGTON.

                    IF YOU WOULD EXTEND THE GREETINGS AND CORDIALITIES OF OUR -- OUR

                    ASSEMBLY, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, SIR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  CERTAINLY.  ON BEHALF

                    OF THE SPEAKER, ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU HERE -- ALSO HERE TO

                    THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY.  WE EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

                    FLOOR, HOPE THAT YOU HAVE ENJOYED TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS AND WILL

                    CONTINUE TO DO SO, AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL TRAVEL HOME SAFELY.  THANK

                    YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A08973, CALENDAR NO.

                    465, SIMOTAS.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW, IN RELATION TO A

                    FAIR, NON-BIASED COMPENSATION STRUCTURE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON A MOTION OF -- BY

                    MS. SIMOTAS, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

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                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A08997, CALENDAR NO.

                    466, RICHARDSON.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE FAMILY COURT ACT AND THE

                    SOCIAL SERVICES LAW, IN RELATION TO NOTICE OF INDICATED REPORTS OF CHILD

                    MALTREATMENT AND CHANGES OF PLACEMENT IN CHILD PROTECTIVE AND

                    VOLUNTARY FOSTER CARE PLACEMENT AND REVIEW PROCEEDINGS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON A MOTION BY MS.

                    RICHARDSON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09670, CALENDAR NO.

                    467, GUNTHER, DE LA ROSA.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE MENTAL HYGIENE LAW,

                    IN RELATION TO PROVIDING INCIDENT REPORTS TO QUALIFIED PERSONS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09678, CALENDAR NO.

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                    NYS ASSEMBLY                                                   MARCH 10, 2020

                    468, ENGLEBRIGHT, LIFTON, SIMON, ORTIZ, GALEF, COLTON, EPSTEIN,

                    MOSLEY, STERN, FAHY, CARROLL, OTIS, JACOBSON, O'DONNELL, THIELE, L.

                    ROSENTHAL, GRIFFIN, PAULIN, GOTTFRIED, D'URSO, WEPRIN.  AN ACT TO

                    AMEND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO PROHIBITING

                    HORIZONTAL DRILLING AND HIGH-VOLUME HYDRAULIC FRACTURING.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09761-A, CALENDAR

                    NO. 469, PERRY, COOK, HYNDMAN, VANEL.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE

                    INSURANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO GROUP POLICIES FOR MOTOR VEHICLES

                    ENGAGED IN THE BUSINESS OF CARRYING OR TRANSPORTING PASSENGERS

                    FOR-HIRE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09762, CALENDAR NO.

                    470, VANEL, COOK, PERRY, HYNDMAN.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE INSURANCE

                    LAW, IN RELATION TO CERTAIN POLICY REVIEW.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A09763-A, CALENDAR

                    NO. 471, HYNDMAN, COOK, PERRY, VANEL.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE

                    INSURANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO ESTABLISHING THE FOR-HIRE MOTOR VEHICLE

                    SAFETY PROGRAM.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER AND

                    COLLEAGUES, IF WE CAN BE -- NOW START OUR WORK ON THE DEBATE LIST, WE'RE

                    GOING TO START WITH CALENDAR NO. 89 BY MR. ZEBROWSKI.  FOLLOWING

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                    THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CALENDAR NO. 6 BY MS. ROSENTHAL AND THEN

                    CALENDAR NO. 177 BY MR. ENGLEBRIGHT.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A01967-A, CALENDAR

                    NO. 89, ZEBROWSKI, JAFFEE, CRUZ.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE DOMESTIC

                    RELATIONS LAW, IN RELATION TO INCLUDING ACTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN

                    THE CRITERIA THE COURT SHALL CONSIDER IN DETERMINING THE EQUITABLE

                    DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY DURING DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  AN EXPLANATION IS

                    REQUESTED, MR. ZEBROWSKI.

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  SURE.  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

                    THIS BILL WOULD ADD DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO THE DELINEATE -- TO A

                    DELINEATED SECTION, SECTION 14, OF THE DOMESTIC RELATIONS LAW, WHICH

                    ARE THE ITEMS THAT A JUDGE SHALL CONSIDER FOR EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF

                    PROPERTY DURING A DIVORCE PROCEEDING.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MS. WALSH.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  WILL THE

                    SPONSOR YIELD?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  YES, I'LL YIELD.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. ZEBROWSKI

                    YIELDS, MS. WALSH.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO, MR. ZEBROWSKI, UNDER THE EXISTING

                    LAW, DOESN'T THE COURT ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY IN ITS DISCRETION TO

                    CONSIDER THINGS LIKE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN MAKING THIS AWARD?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  UNDER THE CURRENT -- UNDER

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                    EXISTING LAW, THE COURT CAN, UNDER A CATCHALL PROVISION, WHICH IS

                    CURRENTLY SECTION 14, BUT WE WOULD MOVE IT TO SECTION 15, CONSIDER

                    ADDITIONAL ITEMS; HOWEVER, COURTS, WHEN -- COURTS ARE DOING A FEW

                    THINGS.  ONE, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERING IT AT ALL, SO WE BELIEVE BY

                    DELINEATING IT AS A SECTION THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WILL BE CONSIDERED IN

                    CASES AFFIRMATIVELY.  I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NECESSARILY LEAVE IT UP TO

                    WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AUTOMATICALLY PLEADED; BUT NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE

                    THE CASE LAW VARIES AS TO THE LEVEL OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THAT SHOULD BE

                    CONSIDERED.

                                 SO FOR INSTANCE, IN A 1985 CASE, THE COURT DECIDED THAT

                    IT SHOULD BE IN -- IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN CASES -- IN EGREGIOUS CASES,

                    WHICH SHOCKED THE CONSCIENCE OF THE COURT; HOWEVER, IN A 1995 CASE

                    WHERE A DEFENDANT WAS VERBALLY ABUSIVE, PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE, THREW AN

                    ASHTRAY AND LACERATED A VICTIM'S SCALP, THREATENED TO COMMIT ARSON,

                    PLACED THE MUZZLE OF A RIFLE TO THE PLAINTIFF'S HEAD AND THREATENED TO

                    KILL HER, THIS CONDUCT WAS NOT CONSIDERED BY THE COURT AS IT DID NOT, IN

                    THEIR VIEW, RISE TO THE LEVEL OF EGREGIOUS CONDUCT.  SO I WOULD -- I

                    WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT EGREGIOUS CONDUCT, SO I BELIEVE THAT THE

                    LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE CORRECT LANGUAGE.

                                 IN ADDITION, I'LL SAY THAT THIS -- THIS SITUATION WAS

                    BROUGHT TO ME BY A SPECIFIC CONSTITUENT IN MY DISTRICT WHOSE HUSBAND

                    NEARLY KILLED HER, WAS SENTENCED AND CONVICTED TO STRANGULATION IN THE

                    FIRST DEGREE, WHICH IS CLASS C FELONY, SENTENCED TO 11 YEARS IN PRISON;

                    HOWEVER, FOLLOWING THE -- THE CONVICTION IN A SUBSEQUENT DIVORCE

                    PROCEEDING, THE COURT AWARDED THIS INCARCERATED HUSBAND $810 A

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                    MONTH.  SO, I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO CLEAR UP THE LANGUAGE AND ENSURE

                    THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS BEING CONSIDERED APPROPRIATELY.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU, MR. ZEBROWSKI, FOR THAT

                    VERY COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER TO MY VERY LIMITED QUESTION.

                                 (LAUGHTER)

                                 LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE.  WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT

                    EGREGIOUS IN TERMS OF THE ACTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THAT WOULD BE

                    CONSIDERED, THE WORD "EGREGIOUS" DOESN'T ACTUALLY APPEAR IN THE LAW AS

                    IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, CORRECT?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  RIGHT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S A GLOSS THAT'S

                    BEEN PUT ON THE EXISTING LAW THROUGH CASE LAW?  IS THAT -- IS THAT WHAT

                    YOU'RE SAYING?  WHERE DOES THE WORD "EGREGIOUS" APPEAR?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  YEAH, I'M REFERRING TO A CASE,

                    O'BRIEN V. O'BRIEN, 66 NY2D 576 FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FOLLOWING AT

                    HOME, AND THAT IS WHERE EGREGIOUS -- WHERE WE BELIEVE, I THINK,

                    EGREGIOUS FIRST APPEARED IN THE LAW.

                                 MS. WALSH:  AND THAT'S A COURT OF APPEALS CASE?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  YEAH, I'M NOT SURE, I'D HAVE TO

                    GO TO THE SECTION, BUT AT LEAST AN APPELLATE DIVISION CASE.

                                 MS. WALSH:  IT'S A -- IT'S AN APPELLATE DIVISION

                    CASE?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, WE

                    MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK IT UP.

                                 MS. WALSH:  ABSOLUTELY.  THANK YOU.

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                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  COURT -- COURT OF APPEALS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  AND THAT'S FROM WHAT YEAR?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  1985.

                                 MS. WALSH:  AND IN SUBSEQUENT CASES FOLLOWING

                    THAT 1985 CASE, HAVE ALL OF THE FOUR APPELLATE DIVISIONS IN THE STATE

                    APPLIED AN EGREGIOUS AS STANDARD --

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  UM...

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- SINCE THAT'S THE CONTROLLING LAW FOR

                    THE STATE THROUGH THE COURT OF APPEALS?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  I'M NOT SURE IF EVERY CASE HAS --

                    HAS CITED THE WORD "EGREGIOUS," BUT I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THE CASES ARE

                    RELYING ON THAT TYPE OF CASE LAW WHEN MAKING THEIR DECISION.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO YOUR ARGUMENT THEN IS THAT

                    THE -- THE RATIONALE FOR THE LAW IS THAT COURTS, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE THIS

                    CATCHALL PROVISION CURRENTLY UNDER THE LAW, ARE NOT ACTUALLY CONSIDERING

                    ACTS OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.  THEY'RE APPLYING AN EGREGIOUS AS

                    STANDARD WHICH WOULD EXCLUDE THINGS THAT WOULD BE VERY TROUBLESOME

                    THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE COURT'S CONSIDERATION, THEN; IS THAT -- IS THAT A

                    FAIR SUMMARY OF YOUR POSITION?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  IT'S ONE OF MY POSITIONS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  I ALSO THINK IT SHOULD BE A

                    DELINEATED ITEM TO ENSURE THAT IT IS CONSIDERED IN ALL CASES.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO, UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL IN THIS

                    BILL, WHAT TYPES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACTS -- WOULD IT BE A DOMESTIC

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                    VIOLENCE ACT VERSUS A, FOR -- FOR EXAMPLE, A CONVICTION THAT WOULD BE

                    CONSIDERED BY THE COURT?  AN ACT NOT A CONVICTION COULD BE

                    CONSIDERED?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  YES.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  AND HOW -- HOW -- ANY ACT AT

                    ALL?  I MEAN, A PUSH, A SHOVE, AN UNKIND WORD; WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE

                    LINE?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  WHEN THE JUDGE IS CONSIDERING IT

                    IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE DRAFTED, THE JUDGE WOULD CONSIDER THE NATURE,

                    EXTENT, DURATION AND IMPACT OF THE ACT OR ACTS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  AND WHAT STANDARD OF PROOF

                    WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO SHOW THIS?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO, YOU KNOW, AS I KNOW

                    YOU'RE AWARE AS AN ATTORNEY, AS I AM, BACK IN 210 -- 2010 WE DID AWAY

                    WITH FAULT IN DOMESTIC RELATIONS AND IN MATRIMONIAL LAW, AND WE

                    IMPOSED, NOW, A NO-FAULT STANDARD.  ISN'T THIS KIND OF PROVISION JUST

                    BRINGING US BACK TO THOSE DAYS OF SHOWING FAULT IN ORDER TO GET MORE IN

                    TERMS OF MAINTENANCE OR EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION IN A -- IN A MATRIMONIAL

                    CASE?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  NO, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE

                    WHEN THE LEGISLATURE - AND I WAS HERE - CORRECTLY DID AWAY WITH FAULT, I

                    THINK WE DID ALLAY -- AWAY WITH A FICTION THAT SOMEHOW IF YOU DIDN'T

                    CORRECTLY PROVE FAULT THAT SOMEHOW THE -- THE JUDGE WOULD MAKE A

                    DECISION, BANG THE GAVEL AND PEOPLE WOULD GO BACK TO A -- A MARRIAGE.

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                    AND I DON'T -- I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS NECESSARILY REALISTIC OR AT ALL

                    REALISTIC, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY.  HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT

                    DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHOULDN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SOMETHING THAT SHOULD

                    BE CONSIDERED BY A COURT WHEN THEY ARE DISTRIBUTING THE MARITAL

                    PROPERTY; IN FACT, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE

                    IN NEW YORK STATE WOULD FIND TO BE NOT ONLY CORRECT, BUT

                    COMMONSENSE IN TERMS OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE PROPERTY.

                                 FAULT, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, WAS MORE

                    WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET DIVORCED.  SO, WHEN WE TOOK

                    THAT AWAY, I THINK EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE TOOK.  YOU -- YOU

                    SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CONVINCE THE COURT THAT THE MARRIAGE HAS DISSOLVED.

                    BUT EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENGAGE IN

                    DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, IF WE'RE TRULY, AS A STATE, GOING TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY,

                    THEN YOU ARE -- THEN A COURT IS GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY, I SHOULD SAY, TO

                    TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY'RE DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT

                    TO AWARD PENSIONS, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO AWARD PROPERTY.  I THINK THAT

                    RISES TO A LEVEL IN A MARRIAGE THAT A COURT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO IF YOU -- IF YOU'RE A PARTY TO A

                    MATRIMONIAL CASE AND YOU WANT TO GET MORE IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE OR

                    EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE ALLEGATIONS OF DOMESTIC

                    VIOLENCE, THEN -- AND BE ABLE TO SHOW IT THROUGH A PREPONDERANCE OF THE

                    EVIDENCE, DOESN'T THAT CREATE AN INCENTIVE FOR ALL KINDS OF EXTREMELY

                    CREATIVE PLEADINGS IN THIS CASE THAT ARE GOING TO JUST REALLY MUDDY UP

                    THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO -- TO DISSOLVE THEIR MARRIAGES?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  WELL, NOT TO DISSOLVE THE

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                    MARRIAGE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE NO-FAULT, BUT ARE YOU ASKING

                    WHETHER IT WOULD MUDDY UP THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE PROPERTY?

                                 MS. WALSH:  YES.  YES.

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  NO, I DON'T THINK SO.  I THINK THAT

                    -- I -- I TRUST JUDGES AND I TRUST THE COURTS TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER

                    EVIDENCE.  CERTAINLY, IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE IF NOT A CRIME TO PLEAD

                    TO THE COURT THINGS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, TO LIE UNDER OATH IN A COURT

                    PROCEEDING.  SO, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT FEAR IS ENOUGH TO NOT TAKE THIS

                    AFFIRMATIVE STEP AS A LEGISLATURE TO BRING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO THE

                    LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS IN A DIVORCE PROCEEDING WHAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE.

                                 MS. WALSH:  BUT ISN'T IT TRUE, THOUGH, THAT NO

                    DIVORCE CAN EVEN BE GRANTED EVEN UNDER A NO-FAULT SITUATION UNTIL

                    THERE'S BEEN A DISSOLUTION, A DISTRIBUTION OF THE ASSETS?  SO, BY ADDING

                    THIS SECTION INTO THE LAW, AREN'T WE JUST GOING TO BE DELAYING DIVORCES

                    FROM BEING GRANTED?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  WHY WOULD WE BE DELAYING IT

                    UNTIL -- I MEAN, AN EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION AWARD IS GOING TO BE MADE AT

                    SOME POINT, SO BY ADDING A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FACTOR, WHY WOULD IT BE

                    DELAYED?  I -- IT WOULD ONLY BE DELAYED IF YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE

                    SOMEHOW THAT'S COMPLICATING THE PROCEEDINGS AND I WOULD SAY, SURE, IT

                    SHOULD COMPLICATE THE PROCEEDINGS.  LET'S GET DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OUT

                    INTO THE OPEN AND STOP TRYING TO HIDE IT UNDER OTHER SOCIETAL RULES.  LET'S

                    MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSIDERED AS IMPORTANT AN ISSUE AS IT IS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  I THINK WE ARE ABSOLUTELY AGREED THAT IT

                    DOES COMPLICATE THE PROCEEDINGS AND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PLEADING

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                    THAT'S GOING TO BE RAISING, AFFIRMATIVELY, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AS -- AS A

                    FACTOR TO BE CONSIDERED AND YOU'RE -- YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE IN

                    THE WAY OF -- OF TRIAL WORK, I WOULD -- I WOULD ASSUME TO TRY TO -- TO

                    DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS OCCURRED OR DID NOT OCCUR AND TO WHAT

                    EXTENT.

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT

                    MORE TRIAL WORK EITHER IN, A, AS YOU SUGGESTED PERHAPS PEOPLE DOING

                    THIS FRAUDULENTLY, WHICH I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULDN'T AND I WOULD HOPE

                    THE COURTS WOULD COME DOWN HARSHLY UPON SOMEONE THAT PLEADS THIS

                    ERRONEOUSLY OR FRAUDULENTLY, BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT

                    ARE VICTIMS WHO ARE PLEADING THIS THING.  B, IT COULD LEAD TO A LONGER

                    PROCEEDINGS BECAUSE THERE WAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND I WOULD SAY THAT

                    IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.  IF THERE IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, IT SHOULD

                    COMPLICATE THE PROCEEDINGS, THEY SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, WE

                    SHOULD BRING IT TO LIGHT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  NOW, ISN'T IT ALSO TRUE THAT THERE ARE

                    COUPLES THAT CONTINUE TO LIVE TOGETHER IN THE MARITAL HOME THROUGHOUT

                    THE COURSE OF A MATRIMONIAL PROCEEDING, NEITHER ONE WILL LEAVE THE

                    HOUSE SO THEY'RE BOTH LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSE, ISN'T THAT -- I MEAN, I'VE

                    FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE IN MY PRACTICE; HAVE YOU SEEN THAT AS WELL?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT CAN

                    HAPPEN.

                                 MS. WALSH:  AND WE ALL KNOW, I THINK WE ALL KNOW

                    THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR EVEN ALLEGATIONS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE

                    REALLY MADE AT ONE'S PERIL, TO SOME EXTENT, BECAUSE IT -- IT BECOMES A

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                    VERY DANGEROUS TIME FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S ALLEGING IT.  AND IF THEY'RE

                    ALL -- IF THEY'RE POTENTIALLY LIVING IN THE SAME HOME TOGETHER, DOESN'T

                    THIS JUST REALLY AMP UP A WHOLE PROCEEDING BY -- BY ALLOWING THIS TYPE

                    OF ALLEGATION AND PROOF TO BE CONSIDERED TO THIS EXTENT?

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE

                    SURVIVOR TO DETERMINE HOW TO PROCEED.

                                 MS. WALSH:  YES, IF -- IF -- YES, IF SHE SURVIVES.

                                 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ANSWERS TO MY

                    QUESTIONS.

                                 MR. SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE BILL, MA'AM.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO, I -- I THANK THE SPONSOR FOR HIS

                    ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS.  I DID SOME DIGGING AND KIND OF WENT BACK TO

                    2010 AND TOOK A LOOK AT WHEN WE WENT OVER TO A NO-FAULT SYSTEM.  AND

                    THERE WAS SOME VERY INTERESTING MEMOS OF SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION TO

                    THAT.  AND ONE WAS FROM THE NEW YORK CITY BAR AND THEY SAID THAT:

                    CASTING BLAME UPON THE OTHER IN REHASHING THE OFTEN HARSH, PAINFUL

                    AND EMBARRASSING REASONS FOR THE DIVORCE JUST IS -- IT IS A -- IT IS A VERY

                    EMOTIONAL AND DIFFICULT THING FOR THE PARTIES.  THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT

                    FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL COSTS.  LITIGANTS SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN

                    LEGAL FEES AND HEARING THE DETAILS OF A MARRIAGE WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY

                    DEAD CAN INCREASE INCIDENTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

                                 THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE FOR THE PREVENTION OF

                    DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SAID BACK IN 2010:  DIVORCE IS A PARTICULARLY

                    VOLATILE TIME FOR MOST COUPLES, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

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                    VICTIMS.  RESEARCH INDICATES THAT SEPARATION CAN BE THE MOST

                    DANGEROUS TIME FOR A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM.  SERVING THE ABUSER

                    WITH PAPERS THAT DETAIL EXPLICIT ALLEGATIONS OF FAULT CAN CAUSE AN

                    ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE OR REIGNITE ABUSE.

                                 SO, MR. SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THAT ALTHOUGH THIS BILL IS

                    WELL-INTENTIONED, I DON'T DOUBT THAT, I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.  WE --

                    WE IN 2010 MADE AN IMPORTANT STEP, AS A STATE, TO GO TO A NO-FAULT

                    SYSTEM OF DIVORCE.  THIS BILL, I THINK, BRINGS US BACK TO THOSE DARK DAYS.

                    I THINK THAT BY DOING THIS, WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A SECTION IN THE LAW

                    WHICH ALLOWS THE COURT TO TAKE FULL COGNIZANCE OF ANY ALLEGATIONS OF

                    DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BY SPELLING IT OUT, BY SAYING THAT THE COURT SHALL

                    CONSIDER ACTS BY ONE PARTY AGAINST ANOTHER THAT HAVE INHIBITED OR

                    CONTINUED TO INHIBIT A PARTY'S EARNING CAPACITY OR ABILITY TO OBTAIN

                    MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT, I THINK IT JUST PLUNGES US BACK TO A TIME THAT

                    TEN YEARS AGO WE WERE GLAD TO -- TO -- TO MOVE AWAY FROM.

                                 AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I DO THINK THAT -- I -- WELL, I

                    KNOW THAT I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS BILL, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY

                    COLLEAGUES TO DO THE SAME.  THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THANK YOU.

                                 MR. GOODELL.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

                                 ON THE BILL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  ON THE BILL, SIR.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING A

                    PRACTICING ATTORNEY AND GOING BACK --

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  SHH.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING A

                    PRACTICING ATTORNEY AND GOING BACK LONGER THAN MANY MEMBERS OF THIS

                    ASSEMBLY ARE EVEN ALIVE IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE EVOLUTION OF THE LAW.

                    AND WHEN I STARTED PRACTICING, THERE WERE VERY LIMITED GROUNDS UPON

                    WHICH A PERSON COULD GET A DIVORCE.  AND ABSENT YOUR SPOUSE BEING

                    SENTENCED TO PRISON OR DYING OR BEING -- ABANDONING THE SPOUSE, ONE OF

                    THE ONLY WAYS YOU COULD GET A DIVORCE IS TO SHOW CRUEL AND INHUMAN

                    TREATMENT.  AND IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THAT, THE PARTIES WOULD DREDGE UP

                    EVERY SLIGHT INSULT, ABUSE OF ANY KIND OR NATURE, REAL OR PERCEIVED, AND

                    OFTEN THE DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS WERE AN EMOTIONAL BLOODBATH.

                                 SO, THE STATE LEGISLATURE EXPANDED THE GROUNDS FOR

                    DIVORCE AND INCLUDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO GET A DIVORCE IF

                    THEY HAD A SEPARATION AGREEMENT THAT BOTH PARTIES SIGNED AND THEY

                    LIVED PURSUANT TO THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT FOR A YEAR, AND THAT HELPED,

                    BUT NOT EVERYONE WAS WILLING TO SIGN A SEPARATION AGREEMENT EVEN

                    THOUGH THE MARRIAGE, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, WAS DEAD.  AND YOU

                    MIGHT ASK YOURSELF, WELL, WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO IS MARRIED TO

                    SOMEONE ELSE THAT THEY CAN'T STAND, THEY HATE EACH OTHER NOW, IT STARTED

                    OUT AS A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN AND IT ENDED UP IN A MARRIAGE IN HELL,

                    WHY WOULD THEY FIGHT A DIVORCE?  AND THE ANSWER INVARIABLY CAME

                    BACK TO MONEY, BECAUSE IF THEY GOT DIVORCED, THEY WERE SHARING THEIR

                    ASSETS, ALIMONY WOULD KICK IN, CHILD SUPPORT WOULD KICK IN AND ALMOST

                    ALWAYS IT CAME BACK TO MONEY.

                                 SO, EVEN THOUGH WE EXPANDED THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR

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                    PEOPLE TO GET DIVORCED WITH A MUTUAL AGREEMENT, SEPARATION

                    AGREEMENT, IT STILL LEFT A LOT OF DIVORCES BEING LITIGATED.  NOW, THE ONLY

                    ADVANTAGE OF A LITTED -- LITIGATED DIVORCE IS FOR MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE

                    ATTORNEYS, BECAUSE THESE WERE NASTY, DRAWN-OUT AFFAIRS.  AND THE

                    PARTIES, PARTICULARLY IF THERE WAS PROBLEMS DURING THE MARRIAGE, THEY

                    COULD EASILY SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES CREATING

                    HORRIFIC RECORDS OF EVERYTHING THAT WENT WRONG IN THEIR MARRIAGE.  AND

                    DURING THE PROCESS, THE CHILDREN INVARIABLY WITNESSED SOME OF THAT

                    ANIMOSITY.  AND THE ANIMOSITY DURING THE DIVORCE TYPICALLY GREW AS

                    EVERYONE ON BOTH SIDES WENT BACK AND REVIEWED ALL THEIR MEMORY

                    BANKS OVER EVERYTHING THAT WENT WRONG OVER HOW EVER MANY YEARS THAT

                    THAT MARRIAGE OCCURRED.

                                 THANKFULLY, IN 2010, THIS STATE JOINED THE REST OF THE

                    NATION IN ALLOWING NO-FAULT DIVORCE.  IT WAS GREAT NEWS FOR ALMOST

                    EVERYONE IN THE STATE EXCEPT LAWYERS WHO SAW A DROP IN THEIR INCOME.

                    AND WHEN WE ALLOWED NO-FAULT DIVORCE, WE DID ONE MORE THING:  FOR

                    THE MOST PART, WE TOOK MONEY OUT OF FAULT AND FAULT OUT OF MONEY.

                    AND SO WE SAID FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY GENERAL

                    STANDARDS THAT AREN'T BASED ON WHO WAS GOOD OR WHO WAS BAD, WE'RE

                    GOING TO TREAT THE MARRIAGE LIKE A PARTNERSHIP.  WE'LL TAKE A FINANCIAL

                    SNAPSHOT AT THE BEGINNING, A FINANCIAL SNAPSHOT AT THE END, WE'LL DIVIDE

                    THE ASSETS IN HALF AFTER DEDUCTING GIFTS OR SPECIAL SITUATIONS.

                                 AND TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE UNUSUAL CASES, WE HAD A

                    CATCHALL.  AND UNDER THAT CATCHALL, THE COURT COULD CONSIDER OTHER

                    THINGS.  AND BACK IN 1985, THE COURT OF APPEALS RECOGNIZED THAT IF

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                    THERE WAS REALLY EGREGIOUS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THAT SHOCKED OUR

                    CONSCIENCE, IN THOSE SITUATIONS, IN THOSE NARROW SITUATIONS, WE WOULD

                    CONSIDER THAT EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR IN SEPARATING THE PROPERTY.  THAT

                    DECISION BY THE COURT OF APPEALS, WHICH IS OUR HIGHEST COURT, WHICH

                    BASED ITS DECISION ON YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, AND THOUSANDS AND

                    THOUSANDS OF CASES, WAS A CAREFUL BALANCING.

                                 AND THIS BILL GOES THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.  THIS BILL

                    SAYS THAT YOU SHALL CONSIDER WHETHER IT'S DOMESTIC ABUSE, AND IT DEFINES

                    DOMESTIC ABUSE IN THE BROADEST TERMS BY REFERENCING THE SOCIAL

                    SERVICES LAW WHICH INCLUDES HARASSMENT, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, FORCIBLE

                    TOUCHING, IDENTITY THEFT.  THOSE WORDS ARE A BROAD, BROAD DEFINITION

                    THAT, BY THE WAY, WOULD PICK UP THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE HORRIFICALLY

                    PAINFUL DIVORCES THAT PEOPLE SUFFERED THROUGH IN THE PAST.

                                 MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, WHEN WE THROW MONEY INTO

                    AN EQUATION INVOLVING PEOPLE WHO ARE EMOTIONALLY UPSET AT EACH OTHER,

                    IT'S ADDING GASOLINE TO THE FIRE, AND THE ONLY BENEFICIARIES WILL BE THE

                    ATTORNEYS WHO DRAG OUT THESE PROCEEDINGS INTERMINABLY AS MERCHANTS

                    OF MISERY.  YOU SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT UNDER CURRENT LAW, WHICH IS

                    NOT BEING CHANGED, NO DIVORCE CAN BE GRANTED, IT CANNOT BE GRANTED

                    UNTIL THE PROPERTY ISSUES AND THE DISTRIBUTION HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.  SO

                    THAT THROWS US RIGHT BACK INTO THE SITUATION THAT WE WERE IN 20 YEARS

                    AGO WHERE IF A PERSON DOESN'T WANT THE DIVORCE, ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS

                    DREDGE UP ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS INVOLVING HARASSMENT OR DISORDERLY

                    CONDUCT OR ANY OF THE OTHER ALLEGATIONS BECAUSE NO DIVORCE CAN BE

                    GRANTED WHILE THOSE ISSUES ARE BEING LITIGATED.  AND BECAUSE ALL THOSE

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                    ARE FACTUAL ISSUES, THAT MEANS WE NOW OPEN UP ALL THESE NO-FAULT

                    DIVORCES, THEN, TO EXTENSIVE DISCOVERY WITH LAWYERS ON BOTH SIDES

                    CHARGING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS PER HOUR AS THEY GO THROUGH THAT

                    EMOTIONAL CARNAGE THAT'S BEING FOSTERED AND FACILITATED BY FINANCIAL

                    GAIN OR LOSS.

                                 NOW TO BE HONEST, BACK IN 2010 WHEN NEW YORK

                    WENT WITH NO-FAULT, I HAD RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE NO-FAULT SYSTEM

                    BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF YOU TOOK A MARRIAGE OATH IN FRONT OF GOD AND SAID

                    FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, YOU MIGHT BE DOING A LOT BETTER IF YOU SPENT ALL

                    THE MONEY THAT YOU WOULD SPEND ON LAWYER FEES ON YOUR WIFE, OR YOUR

                    HUSBAND.  BUT AFTER ALMOST 40 YEARS OF PRIVATE PRACTICE, WATCHING

                    FAMILIES JUST SHRED EACH OTHER AND SEEING THE HORRIFIC, HORRIFIC

                    EMOTIONAL DAMAGE THAT OCCURS, AND THE DAMAGE TO CHILDREN AND THE

                    LONGTIME ANIMOSITY THAT'S FUNDED BOTH BY THEIR EMOTIONAL PAIN AND BY

                    MONEY, I HAVE COME TO APPRECIATE THE WISDOM OF THE LEGISLATORS WHO

                    WENT AHEAD OF ME AND THE WISDOM OF OUR COURT OF APPEALS, OUR

                    HIGHEST JUDGES IN NEW YORK STATE, WHEN THEY SAID, WE'LL ONLY CONSIDER

                    THESE TYPES OF PERSONAL FAULT ISSUES IN EGREGIOUS CASES.

                                 LET'S NOT GO BACK TO THE DARK AGES OF FAULTFINDING

                    FUNDED BY THE ASSETS OF THE PARTY WHERE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WIN ARE

                    THE LAWYERS THAT LITIGATE.  OUR CURRENT SYSTEM HAS THE RIGHT BALANCE.

                    OUR CURRENT SYSTEM ALLOWS THE JUDGES TO CONSIDER IT IN EGREGIOUS CASES.

                    WE DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO THE EMOTIONAL CARNAGE AND THE

                    EMOTIONAL BLOODBATH THAT CHARACTERIZED DIVORCES IN THE PAST.  I URGE MY

                    COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO.  THANK YOU, SIR.

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 30TH

                    DAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

                                 MR. ZEBROWSKI:  THANKS, MR. SPEAKER.  AS WAS

                    PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT DURING THE DEBATE, RIGHT NOW A COURT MAY --

                    MAY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN RARE CIRCUMSTANCES

                    WHERE THERE -- IT'S A, QUOTE, "EGREGIOUS CASE OR SHOCKED THE CONSCIENCE

                    OF THE COURT."  HOPEFULLY IF THIS BILL PASSES BOTH HOUSES AND GETS

                    SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR THEREAFTER, THE DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

                    WILL BE AS IS IN SOCIAL SERVICES LAW, "ACTS CONSTITUTING DISORDERLY

                    CONDUCT, HARASSMENT, AGGRAVATED HARASSMENT, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT,

                    FORCIBLE TOUCHING, SEXUAL ABUSE, STALKING, CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, MENACING,

                    RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT, KIDNAPPING, ASSAULT, ATTEMPTED ASSAULT,

                    ATTEMPTED MURDER, CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION OF BREATHING OR BLOOD

                    CIRCULATION, STRANGULATION, IDENTITY THEFT, GRAND LARCENY OR COERCION AND

                    SUCH ACTS OR ACTS THAT RESULT IN THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL OR EMOTIONAL INJURY

                    WHERE IT CREATED A SUBSTANTIAL RISK OF PHYSICAL OR EMOTIONAL HARM TO

                    SUCH PERSON OR TO SUCH PERSON'S CHILD."

                                 MR. SPEAKER, TO ANYONE IN THE FUTURE WHO COMMITS

                    THESE ACTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR HAS COMMITTED THEM IN THE PAST, AND

                    YOU SEEK OR ARE IN A DIVORCE PROCEEDING, THE COURT HOPEFULLY WILL TAKE

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                    THESE ACTS INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD

                    BE DOING AS A STATE OF NEW YORK.  THAT'S THE MESSAGE WE SHOULD BE

                    SENDING AS THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE, TO ALL

                    SURVIVORS ACROSS THE STATE TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE TRULY PROTECTING NEW

                    YORKERS AND VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BOTH IN OUR CRIMINAL LAWS

                    AS A WHOLE, BUT ALSO IN THESE DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS.  THAT'S WHY I'LL BE

                    VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, MR. SPEAKER.  I ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO DO THE

                    SAME.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. ZEBROWSKI IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 MS. CRUZ TO EXPLAIN HER VOTE.

                                 MS. CRUZ:  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.  SO, FOR MANY

                    OF US WHO'VE REPRESENTED PEOPLE IN COURT OR WHO'VE DONE SOCIAL WORK

                    WITH SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, OR FOR MANY OF US WHO ARE

                    SURVIVORS OURSELVES, WE UNDERSTAND THAT ECONOMIC ABUSE IS PART OF THE

                    LARGER CONVERSATION.  AND THE FACT THAT THE COURTS ONLY SEEM TO

                    RECOGNIZE EGREGIOUS -- EGREGIOUS INSTANCES, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?

                    BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND WE'RE TELLING WOMEN WHEN THEY GO TO GET

                    HELP, THAT ECONOMIC ABUSE IS ABUSE.  AND WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUT

                    OF THEIR MARRIAGE AND TRYING TO ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SURVIVE

                    AND TRYING TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE PROPERTY THAT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO

                    THEM, WE'RE GOING TO SAY ONLY IF IT'S EGREGIOUS.  JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T

                    SEE IT ON THEIR BODY, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THE SCARS DOES NOT --

                    DOES NOT MEAN IT'S NOT THERE.

                                 AND SO, I AM THANKFUL TO THE SPONSOR FOR THIS BILL ON

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                    BEHALF OF THE THOUSANDS OF SURVIVORS AROUND OUR STATE.  THANK YOU FOR

                    RECOGNIZING THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE A -- THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE EGREGIOUS, THAT

                    IT SHOULD NOT TAKE SOMEONE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL, THAT A LOT OF THE ABUSE

                    HAPPENS INSIDE OF THE HOME.  IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL, IT'S MONETARY AND THAT

                    IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS PEOPLE, WOMEN, SURVIVORS DON'T LEAVE.  AND

                    SO, I VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.  THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MS. CRUZ IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A00168-B, CALENDAR

                    NO. 6, L. ROSENTHAL, DINOWITZ, GUNTHER, WEPRIN, BUCHWALD, JAFFEE,

                    FAHY, D'URSO.  AN ACT IN RELATION TO ESTABLISHING BRENDAN'S LAW; AND TO

                    AMEND THE SOCIAL SERVICES LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING CORDLESS

                    WINDOW COVERINGS IN CHILD DAY CARE CENTERS AND CERTAIN OTHER FACILITIES.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 730 DAYS.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

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                                 THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A04620-A, CALENDAR

                    NO. 177, ENGLEBRIGHT, GUNTHER, JOYNER, ARROYO, DAVILA.  AN ACT TO

                    AMEND THE TAX LAW AND THE STATE FINANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO

                    PROVIDING FOR TAXPAYER GIFTS FOR DIABETES RESEARCH AND EDUCATION AND

                    ESTABLISHING THE DIABETES RESEARCH AND EDUCATION FUND.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  READ THE LAST SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE CLERK WILL RECORD

                    THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, DO WE

                    HAVE ANY FURTHER HOUSEKEEPING OR RESOLUTIONS?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  NO HOUSEKEEPING,

                    BUT RESOLUTIONS WHICH WE WILL TAKE UP WITH ONE VOTE.  ON THE

                    RESOLUTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE

                    RESOLUTIONS ARE ADOPTED.

                                 (WHEREUPON, ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NOS. 834-844

                    WERE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  CAN YOU CALL ON MR. OTIS

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                    FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  MR. OTIS FOR THE

                    PURPOSE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

                                 MR. OTIS:  HI THERE.  WE WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE

                    MEETING OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONFERENCE IN THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE

                    ROOM UPON THE ADJOURNMENT OF SESSION FOR THE EVENING.  THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  DEMOCRATIC

                    CONFERENCE, SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MR. SPEAKER, I NOW

                    MOVE THAT THE ASSEMBLY STAND ADJOURNED UNTIL 10:30 A.M., WEDNESDAY,

                    MARCH THE 11TH, TOMORROW BEING A SESSION DAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  THE ASSEMBLY STANDS

                    ADJOURNED.

                                 (WHEREUPON, AT 5:12 P.M., THE ASSEMBLY STOOD

                    ADJOURNED UNTIL WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11TH AT 10:30 A.M., WEDNESDAY

                    BEING A SESSION DAY.)

















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