MONDAY, JUNE 17, 2019 1:34 P.M.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE HOUSE WILL COME

TO ORDER.

REVEREND ELIA WILL OFFER A PRAYER.

REVEREND DONNA ELIA: LET US PRAY. HOLY AND

MAJESTIC GOD, WE, CREATED IN YOUR HOLY IMAGE, PAUSE IN YOUR PRESENCE

TO GIVE YOU THANKS. YOU ARE ABOVE ALL, AND IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL, AND

YOU CHERISH EACH PERSON GATHERED HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE WAYS IN

WHICH YOU HAVE EMPOWERED THIS BODY TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THAT HAS BEEN

COMPLETED THIS PAST YEAR. FOR THE MOMENTS WHEN UNDERSTANDING AND

COMPASSION HAVE PREVAILED, THANK YOU. FOR THE TIMES THAT WERE LESS

THAN SMOOTH, WE ASK FOR NEW INSIGHT AND BETTER PROCESSES GOING

FORWARD. AND LET YOUR WISDOM AND ENERGY CONTINUE TO EMPOWER EACH

LEGISLATOR AND STAFF PERSON. GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PRESS ON AS THIS

SESSION NEARS COMPLETION, AND THEN GIVE TO EACH PERSON A WHOLLY- AND

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

WELL-DESERVED TIME OF REST. BLESS THEIR FAMILIES AND ALL THEY HOLD DEAR.

GIVE WHOLENESS AND HEALING TO ANY WHO NEED IT THIS DAY. O GOD, YOU

MAKE PEACE IN HIGH PLACES. HELP US TO MAKE PEACE IN OUR

COMMUNITIES, OUR FAMILIES AND OUR HEARTS. IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

MEMBERS: AMEN.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: VISITORS ARE INVITED

TO JOIN THE MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

(WHEREUPON, ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY LED VISITORS AND

MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.)

A QUORUM BEING PRESENT, THE CLERK WILL READ THE

JOURNAL OF SUNDAY, JUNE 16TH.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, I MOVE TO

DISPENSE WITH THE FURTHER READING OF THE JOURNAL OF JUNE THE 16TH AND

ASK THAT THE SAME STAND APPROVED.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WITHOUT OBJECTION,

SO ORDERED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, THANK YOU

FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A QUOTE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT ARE IN THE

CHAMBERS [SIC] WITH THEIR STAFFS AND WITH GUESTS THAT ARE IN OUR

CHAMBERS [SIC]. YESTERDAY, AS MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW, WAS FATHER'S

DAY. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL YOU FABULOUS FATHERS. THIS QUOTE IS

FROM BILLY GRAHAM, AND IT ACTUALLY IS ABOUT FATHERS. IT SAYS, "A GOOD

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

FATHER IS ONE OF THE MOST UNSUNG, UNPRAISED AND UNNOTICED, AND YET ONE

OF THE MOST VALUABLE ASSETS IN OUR SOCIETY." I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH BILLY

GRAHAM. ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE ASSETS IN OUR SOCIETY.

WITH THAT, MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO MAKE THE MEMBERS

AWARE OF OUR SCHEDULE FOR TODAY. IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY BUSY

SCHEDULE, SO I'M GOING TO START OUT BY ASKING PEOPLE TO STAY IN THE

CHAMBERS [SIC] OR IN AND AROUND THE CAPITOL, NOT TO LEAVE THE AREA. WE

HAVE A MAIN CALENDAR ON OUR DESK. WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH

SEVERAL COMMITTEES TODAY AS WELL, AND IF YOU THINK TODAY IS GOING TO BE

BUSY, WAIT TILL TOMORROW AND WEDNESDAY. IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN BUSIER.

AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING PEOPLE TO STAY IN AND AROUND THE

CHAMBERS [SIC] IN ORDER FOR US TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ALL OF OUR GOALS. WE

LITERALLY HAVE HUNDREDS OF BILLS AND ROLL CALLS TO COMPLETE. WE CAN'T GET

THROUGH OUR WORK IF MEMBERS AREN'T HERE VOTING. VOTING CAN EITHER

TAKE FIVE MINUTES OR 25, AND THAT IS ALL DEPENDENT UPON WHETHER OR NOT

WE'RE IN AND AROUND THE CHAMBERS [SIC]. THANK YOU SO MUCH IN

ADVANCE FOR YOUR COOPERATION, AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY HELP US GET

THROUGH THESE MOST PRODUCTIVE DAYS.

LET ME NOW ADVISE MEMBERS OF OUR SCHEDULE FOR

TODAY. ON OUR DESKS WE HAVE A MAIN CALENDAR AND A DEBATE LIST. AFTER

ANY INTRODUCTIONS AND/OR HOUSEKEEPING, WE WILL BE TAKING UP

RESOLUTIONS ON PAGE 3, INCLUDING ONE BY MS. DICKENS COMMEMORATING

JUNETEENTH IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. AFTER RESOLUTIONS WE WILL

CONTINUE ON CONSENT, BILLS TO THE MAIN CALENDAR THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN

CONSENTED. WE WILL BEGIN WITH RULES REPORT NO. 142 ON PAGE 9, AND

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

WORK THROUGH THE RULES REPORT ON PAGE -- WORK THROUGH TO RULES

REPORT NO. 310, WHICH IS ON PAGE 41. IN ADDITION, WE WILL ALSO BE

TAKING UP BILLS ON DEBATE. A NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEETINGS WILL BE

CALLED, INCLUDING RULES, WHICH WILL PRODUCE AN A-CALENDAR. MEMBERS

OF THE CODES COMMITTEE AND WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE

READY FOR MEETINGS TO BE CALLED OFF THE FLOOR. THEN, MR. SPEAKER, A

SECOND RULES COMMITTEE MEETING WILL BE CALLED TO PRODUCE A

B-CALENDAR. IN ADDITION, THE FOLLOWING COMMITTEES WILL BE SCHEDULED

TO MEET: LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, BANKS, ELECTION LAW, HIGHER ED,

JUDICIARY, LABOR, REAL PROPERTY TAXATION AND EDUCATION. THERE WILL

LIKELY BE A NEED FOR PARTY CONFERENCES AFTERWARDS, MR. SPEAKER, AND WE

WILL MAKE THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS WHEN THAT TIME IS APPROPRIATE.

THAT'S A GENERAL OUTLINE. IF THERE ARE ANY INTRODUCTIONS

OR HOUSEKEEPING, NOW WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. WE HAVE

HOUSEKEEPING.

ON A MOTION BY MR. BURKE, PAGE 18, RULES REPORT

NO. 182, BILL NO. A7675, AMENDMENTS ARE RECEIVED AND ADOPTED.

FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION, MS. HUNTER.

MS. HUNTER: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE

TODAY TO INTRODUCE A VERY DISTINGUISHED GUEST FROM THE CITY OF

SYRACUSE. WE HAVE VISITING WITH US TODAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE

SYRACUSE-ONONDAGA CHAPTER OF THE NAACP; HER HUSBAND, WHO IS THE

PRIOR PAST PRESIDENT; AND ALSO A PRIOR COMMON COUNCIL PRESIDENT OF

THE CITY OF SYRACUSE; AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE SYRACUSE-ONONDAGA

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

CHAPTER OF THE NAACP WHO ARE HERE TODAY TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR ANNUAL

JUNETEENTH CEREMONY.

SO, I WOULD ASK, MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU CAN EXTEND THE

CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. ON BEHALF

MS. HUNTER, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME THESE

DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE NAACP IN SYRACUSE HERE TO THE NEW

YORK STATE ASSEMBLY. WE EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.

WE THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR JOINING IN THIS CELEBRATION, BUT ALSO THE

WORK THAT YOU DO IN YOUR HOMETOWN TO PROVIDE EQUITY AND FAIRNESS AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. KEEP UP THAT GOOD WORK.

(APPLAUSE)

MR. BARRON FOR AN INTRODUCTION.

MR. BARRON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER.

I WANT TO CAUTION YOU ALL -- ALL OF YOU, I WANT TO CAUTION YOU. YOU'D

BETTER BE NICE TO ME TODAY BECAUSE MY SON IS HERE, JAWANZA BARRON.

JAWANZA, FOR 15 YEARS HE DID A LOT OF COACHING. HE COACHES TENNIS FOR

-- FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. HE'S A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION

OPERATION POWER, A CHAIR -- CO-CHAIR OF THE YOUTH COMMITTEE IN

OPERATION POWER. HE'S DONE A LOT OF COMMUNITY WORK, ORGANIZING

WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE BABY. HIS MOTHER AND I GOT ARRESTED AT THE SOUTH

AFRICAN CONSULATE, AND HE WAS IN THE CARRIAGE. SOMEBODY HAD TO TAKE

CARE OF HIM WHILE WE WENT TO JAIL.

(LAUGHTER)

SO HE HAS BEEN IN THE MOVEMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

HE COMES TO ALL OF OUR DEMONSTRATIONS, RALLIES. HE HAS GOT HIS LOOKS,

HIS BRAINS AND HIS BRILLIANCE FROM HIS MOMMA, AND THEY LET ME HANG

OUT A LITTLE BIT, SO I'M A LITTLE SMART, TOO. BUT I JUST WANTED THE SPEAKER

OF THE HOUSE TO GRANT THE CORDIALITY OF THIS HOUSE TO MY BELOVED SON,

JAWANZA BARRON.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. ON BEHALF

OF YOUR FATHER, YOUNG BARRON, WE ARE SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. WE --

YOU ARE FAMILY, SO YOU ARE ALWAYS EXTENDED THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU MAKE YOUR FATHER VERY HAPPY AND VERY PROUD,

OBVIOUSLY, FROM WHAT HE DOES. PLEASE CONTINUE THE GREAT WORK THAT

YOU'RE DOING NOW AND FOREVER. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

(APPLAUSE)

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERRUPT OUR PROCEEDINGS TO INTRODUCE

TO YOU ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MEMBER RYAN AND BURKE THE

SUPERINTENDENT OF THE BUFFALO SCHOOL BOARD. DR. CASH AND HIS WIFE

HAVE JOINED US HERE TODAY. MR. SPEAKER, THE BUFFALO COMMUNITY IS

VERY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING DR. CASH AS OUR SUPERINTENDENT. THE

DISTRICT HAS NEVER BEEN IN BETTER CONDITION. UNDER DR. CASH'S

LEADERSHIP, GRADUATION RATES HAVE CLIMBED TO A 16-YEAR HIGH. GRADES 3

THROUGH 8 PROFICIENCY RATES IN ELA AND MATH ARE RISING FAST, FROM

SINGLE DIGITS FIVE YEARS AGO, AND A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS TO STANDING NEARLY

TRIPLE DIGITS IN CURRENT SCHOOLS NOW. THE NUMBER OF RECEIVERSHIP

SCHOOLS HAS DWINDLED FROM 25 TO THREE. AND THAT THREE WILL BE GONE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

NEXT YEAR UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS GENTLEMAN.

SO, MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE OFFER HIM THE

CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE AND GREET HIM IN OUR CHAMBERS [SIC]. AND

JUST SO THAT MEMBERS ARE AWARE, LATER, IN THE JUNETEENTH OPPORTUNITIES

UPSTAIRS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR WE WILL BE PRESENTING DR. CASH WITH A

PROCLAMATION FOR HIS FINE WORK IN THE GREAT CITY OF BUFFALO.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. ON BEHALF

OF MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, DR. CASH,

WE WELCOME YOU HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY. WE EXTEND TO

YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR. WE CELEBRATE YOU -- WITH YOU THE GREAT

WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. THAT'S SUCH GOOD NEWS COMING OUT OF BUFFALO.

THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT WORK. CONTINUE THAT. THE CHILDREN OF OUR --

OF YOUR CITY, THE CHILDREN OF THIS STATE, NEED THAT KIND OF

ENCOURAGEMENT. THANK YOU, AND WE WILL ALWAYS WELCOME YOU HERE.

THANK YOU.

(APPLAUSE)

MS. SIMON FOR AN INTRODUCTION.

MS. SIMON: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WE HAVE A

CONSTITUENT GROUP HERE TODAY, THE LEAGUE EDUCATION AND TREATMENT

CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED IN DUMBO, IN MY DISTRICT. AND THE CEO,

MARK HANDELMAN, IS HERE, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE ARTISTS THAT I WILL TELL

YOU ABOUT IN A MOMENT, CARLO DALEO. THE LEAGUE EDUCATION CENTER IS

A NOT-FOR-PROFIT COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES A VARIETY

OF PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS OF ALL AGES WITH

DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES THROUGHOUT THE METROPOLITAN AREA. THE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

LEAGUE CENTER OPERATES A PRESCHOOL PROGRAM, WHICH IS A 4410

PROGRAM, AND A SCHOOL-AGE 853 SCHOOLS SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAM AND

ADULT DAY HABILITATION PROGRAMS. THE GROUP IS HERE TODAY SPOTLIGHTING

THEIR ARTS PROGRAM, WHICH GIVES INDIVIDUALS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE

AND SHARE THEIR WORKS OF ART. THE LEAGUE CENTER NURTURES THE ADULT --

THE TALENTS OF PARTICIPATING ARTISTS WHILE INTEGRATING INDIVIDUALS INTO THE

COMMUNITY AS PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS. THEIR COLLECTION IS BETWEEN THE

GLASS DOORS NEAR THE LOB ENTRANCE, AND IS BEING SHOWN FROM 11 UNTIL 3

TODAY. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK YOU'D FIND THE ART

VERY INTERESTING. ONE OF THE ARTISTS IS WITH US TODAY, CARLO DALEO. AND

HE'S SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE LIVING IN BUSHWICK. AND HE'S BEEN ATTENDING

THE LEAGUE CENTER PROGRAM SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2005. HE'S A VERY

TALENTED DRAFTSMAN, PAINTER, WRITER, ANIMATOR AND VOICEOVER ARTIST. AND

HE STARTED MAKING ART AT THE AGE OF FIVE, FOLLOWING TWO POP CULTURE

TRAGEDIES; THE UNFORTUNATE CAR ACCIDENT INJURING JAN BERRY AND THE DEATH

OF WALT DISNEY. HE'S DECIDED HE WANTED TO CONTINUE IN THE LEGACY OF

DISNEY AND CARTOONISTS, AND HE HAS BEEN DOING THAT. AND IF YOU HAVE

AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HIS WORK, I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT VERY ENJOYABLE.

SO, PLEASE JOIN ME IN -- IN WELCOMING THESE PEOPLE

AND GIVING THEM THE CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. ON BEHALF

OF MS. SIMON, MR. LENTOL, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE

WELCOME YOU HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY, THE PEOPLE'S

HOUSE. WE EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR, AND OUR THANKS

FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TO ASSIST INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE NEED

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

FOR THAT KIND OF SERVICE. PLEASE CONTINUE THAT WORK. WE KNOW YOU WILL

MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE AND THEY WILL MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER

PLACE. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

(APPLAUSE)

THE CLERK WILL READ RESOLUTIONS ON PAGE 3.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 585, MS.

DICKENS.

LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

ANDREW M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM JUNE 19, 2019, AS JUNETEENTH DAY IN

THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. DICKENS ON THE

RESOLUTION.

MS. DICKENS: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND THANK

YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING ME TO TAKE THIS TIME TO EXPLAIN

JUNETEENTH. ON THIS DAY WE CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH, THE OLDEST KNOWN

CELEBRATION COMMEMORATING THE END OF SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES.

TWO YEARS AFTER THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION IN 1863, IT WASN'T UNTIL

JUNE 19TH OF 1865 THAT THE UNION SOLDIERS LED BY MAJOR GENERAL

GORDON GRANGER LANDED AT GALVESTON, TEXAS WITH NEWS THAT THE CIVIL

WAR HAD ENDED AND THAT THE ENSLAVED WERE NOW FREE. JUNETEENTH WAS

FORMALLY ESTABLISHED AS AN OFFICIAL HOLIDAY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN

1980 BY AL EDWARDS, AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN STATE LEGISLATOR WHO

CONTINUED TO BRING AWARENESS ABOUT THE OBSERVANCE OF THIS HOLIDAY. IT

IS WITH GREAT HONOR THAT I BRING FORWARD THIS RESOLUTION TO BE

RECOGNIZED BY MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN THE LEGISLATURE. IT IS NOT A SINGLE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

DAY THAT AWARENESS WHICH IS HELD ON THE 19TH OF JUNE, BUT A CONTINUOUS

COMMEMORATION OF FREEDOM OBTAINED BY OUR ANCESTORS, AND TO

SYMBOLIZE THE GROWTH OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE

SUSTAINED AMIDST SUCCESS AND ADVERSITY. TODAY WE WILL HONOR THE

TIRELESS PLIGHT AND PERSEVERANCE OF OUR ANCESTORS AND CELEBRATE

PROSPERITY AND OUR RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE, AND HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU

WILL JOIN US IN HONORING THE SPIRIT OF JUNETEENTH. AND HOPEFULLY ONE

DAY WE WILL ALL REACH THE MOUNTAINTOP WHEN OUR GREAT COUNTRY

RECOGNIZES THAT SLAVERY EXISTED, AND DE FACTO SLAVERY STILL EXISTS TODAY.

I WANT TO ALSO THANK MY COLLEAGUE, ASSEMBLYMEMBER

LATRICE WALKER, FOR THE KENTE CLOTH AND THE EXPLANATION OF JUNETEENTH

THAT SHE PUT ON EACH DESK -- DESK, AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE TAMARA

HOLMES, A DANCER THAT WILL BE PERFORMING ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THE

CAPITOL TODAY SHORTLY.

THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND THANK YOU TO MY

COLLEAGUES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THANK YOU, MS.

DICKENS.

MS. WALKER ON THE RESOLUTION.

MS. WALKER: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. PLEASE

ALLOW ME TO BESTOW AN IMMENSE LEVEL OF GRATITUDE TO MY COLLEAGUE,

MEMBER DICKENS, FOR BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION TODAY WHICH ALLOWS US TO

CELEBRATE A RICH HISTORY HERE IN AMERICA AS PEOPLE OF AFRICAN ANCESTRY.

MANY TIMES WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS, AND WE HEAR PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO

DIRECT THEIR LINEAGE BACK TO A LOCATION, BACK TO, IN MANY INSTANCES, A

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

STREET. BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M LUCKY AND I'M FORTUNATE, BECAUSE I GET TO

DIRECT MY ANCESTRY BACK TO AN ENTIRE CONTINENT. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I

THOUGHT BEFORE I RAN ACROSS SOME VERY IMPORTANT RECORDS. I WOULD LIKE

TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE EVERYONE TO MY GREAT-GREAT-GREAT-

GRANDFATHER, GUINEA CHARLES MCMILLAN. HIS AFRICAN NAME WE DO NOT

KNOW, BUT HE WAS BORN IN GUINEA, WEST AFRICA IN MAY OF 1825, AND HE

WAS BOUGHT IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA AS A SLAVE. HE WAS SOLD TO

JAMES W. MCMILLAN, A FAMILY IN COWPENS TOWNSHIP, LATER, THREE

MILE TOWNSHIP IN BARNWELL, SOUTH CAROLINA. GUINEA CHARLES LATER

BECAME A SLAVE TO HENRY W. MCMILLAN, II, FAMILY OF THAT SAME

COMMUNITY. HE WAS ONE OF 35 SLAVES ON THE PLANTATION IN 1860. WE

KNOW THAT DUE TO THE CENSUS RECORDS HIS MASTER, H.W. MCMILLAN,

RECORDED IN JULY OF THAT VERY YEAR. THE MASTER TRUSTED GUINEA CHARLES

TO ASSIST CAREY COLUMBUS MCMILLAN, WHO WAS THE SON OF HENRY

MCMILLAN, II, ON THE BATTLEFIELD DURING THE CIVIL WAR. GUINEA CHARLES

WAS ALSO THE MAIL CARRIER DURING THE WAR FROM THE PLANTATION TO THE

BATTLEFIELD WHERE HE CARRIED CAREY MCMILLAN FOOD, CLOTHING AND LETTERS

FROM HOME. AFTER EMANCIPATION IN 1865, GUINEA CHARLES CONTINUED TO

SERVE AFTER AND DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION ERA, AS HE ATTENDED MANY

LEGISLATIVE MEETINGS AND ATTENDED THE VOTING POLLS WITH CAREY

MCMILLAN. THIS PROBABLY EXPLAINS WHY HE AND HIS FAMILY DID NOT

APPEAR IN THE 18 FEDERAL CENSUS. BY 1875, HE ACCUMULATED LAND IN THE

TOWNSHIP OF BAMBERG, WHICH WAS INHERITED BY HIS CHILDREN. THEY

SOLD SOME OF IT OFF TO ODELLA HARTSICK IN 1896, AND MORE IN 1897 TO HIS

SON, CHARLES MCMILLAN. HE REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS CHARLES MCMILLAN,

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

SR. ONCE HIS DAUGHTER CAM MARRIED A MAN, TOGETHER WITH HIS WIFE,

ANNIE, ALSO A SLAVE PURCHASED IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA. THE FINAL

RESTING PLACE OF MY GREAT-GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER IS STILL A LOCATION THAT

WE CALL HOME. IT'S WHERE I GO AND VISIT EACH AND EVERY SUMMER WITH

MY FAMILY, AND I APPRECIATE HAVING THAT BENEFIT. IN THAT REGARD, TODAY I

TAKE A -- A SPECIAL LIBERTY, WITH SPECIAL THANKS TO YOU, MR. SPEAKER, TO --

IN OBSERVANCE OF JUNETEENTH AND IN HONOR OF MY AFRICAN ANCESTRY, TO

BESTOW KENTE CLOTH AND A POEM IN REMEMBRANCE OF OUR LEGACY.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECITE THE POEM. "FROM AFRICA'S HEART,

WE ROSE. ALREADY A PEOPLE, OUR FACES EBON, OUR BODIES LEAN, WE ROSE.

SKILLS OF ART, LIFE, BEAUTY AND FAMILY CRUSHED BY FORCES WE KNEW

NOTHING OF, WE ROSE. SURVIVE WE MUST, WE DID, WE ROSE. WE ROSE TO BE

YOU, WE ROSE TO BE ME. ABOVE EVERYTHING EXPECTED, WE ROSE. TO

BECOME THE KNOWLEDGE WE NEVER KNEW, WE ROSE. DREAM, WE DID. ACT,

WE MUST."

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO HONOR MY

FAMILY, OUR RICH AFRICAN ANCESTRY, OUR LEGACY. AND TO A WONDERFUL

GROUP OF PEOPLE IN GALVESTON, TEXAS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING THIS DAY,

JUNETEENTH, FOR US TO REMEMBER OUR RICH HISTORY FOREVER. LET'S NOT

FORGET. THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THANK YOU.

MR. BARRON.

MR. BARRON: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

JUNETEENTH -- I WANT TO MENTION JULY 4TH, THE 4TH OF JULY, WE CALL IT THE

4TH OF YOU LIE BECAUSE WE WERE NOT INDEPENDENT. JULY 4TH IS THE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

REASON WHY WE CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH. BECAUSE ON JULY 4, 1776 WE

WERE ENSLAVED WHILE YOU WERE CELEBRATING INDEPENDENCE. AND THROUGH

NO SENSITIVITY TO US, YOU JUST CELEBRATE THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE 13

COLONIES THAT LIBERATED THEMSELVES FROM THE KING OF ENGLAND, BUT AT

THAT TIME WE WERE ACTUALLY ENSLAVED. AND WHEN BETSY ROSS STITCHED

THE FIRST AMERICAN FLAG, WE WERE CATCHING STITCHES IN SLAVERY. SO WHEN

WE CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH, WE ALSO HAVE TO CELEBRATE AND DEMAND

REPARATIONS. WE DON'T JUST WANT TO DANCE AND SING AND EAT AND PUT ON

AFRICAN CLOTH WITHOUT MAKING THE POINT THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE BUILT THIS

COUNTRY. OFF THE SWEAT, LABOR, TEARS OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE BUILT

CAPITALIST, RACIST AMERICA. OFF OF OUR BLOOD SET -- SWEAT AND TEARS. SO

EVERY JUNETEENTH, WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR PEOPLE HAVE GONE

THROUGH -- AND THE REAL LIBERATORS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE WASN'T THE GENERAL

WHO WENT TO GALVESTON, TEXAS. IT WAS THE AFRICANS WHO WERE A PART OF

THE CALVARY. THEY WENT FROM PLANTATION TO PLANTATION, EVEN WITH

HARRIET TUBMAN, FREEING ENSLAVED AFRICANS FROM SLAVE STATES THAT LEFT

THE UNION. AND BE IT -- BEAR IN MIND THAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS

ALSO A RACIST, DIDN'T FREE A SINGLE ENSLAVED AFRICAN. IN 1863 WHEN

LINCOLN HAD THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, HE SAID ALL THOSE SLAVES IN

THE STATES THAT LEFT THE UNION, HE SAID YOU WERE FREE. BUT LINCOLN DIDN'T

HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO FREE THEM BECAUSE THEY LEFT THE UNION AND THEY

WERE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF JEFFERSON DAVIS, THE CONFEDERACY.

THERE WERE FOUR SLAVE STATES THAT DIDN'T LEAVE THE UNION, AND LINCOLN

SAID, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOUR STATES. YOU COULD KEEP YOUR SLAVES

BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LEAVE THE UNION. SO THE GREAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN,

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE SECOND BIGGEST LIE TOLD TO AMERICA THAT HE FREED THE ENSLAVED

AFRICANS. WELL, IF HE DID IN 1863, THEN WHY DID YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE

13TH AMENDMENT IN 1865 AFTER THE CIVIL WAR? YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD

A 13TH AMENDMENT TO ABOLISH SLAVERY IF HE ALREADY FREED ALL THE SLAVES.

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T FREE ANYBODY. THERE WERE FOUR MILLION OF US

ENSLAVED. AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, AFTER THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION,

THERE WERE STILL 3.8 MILLION ENSLAVED AFRICANS. LINCOLN DIDN'T FREE

ANYBODY. HE WAS A RACIST. HE WANTED TO FREE US AND SEND US BACK TO

AFRICA SO AMERICA CAN BE ALL WHITE. THAT WAS A LINCOLN'S DREAM.

LATER ON HE WAS FORCED, FORCED IN SUPPORTING THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY.

SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST SHARE A FEW OF THOSE LITTLE NOTES

WITH YOU, GIVE YOU SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT, BECAUSE HISTORY HAS ALWAYS

BEEN REVISED TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DISCOVERED

AMERICA WHEN HE ONLY DISCOVERED HE WAS LOST. PEOPLE WERE ALREADY

HERE. YOU CAN'T DISCOVER A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ALREADY EXIST. LINCOLN

FREED THE SLAVES, THE SECOND LIE, BECAUSE WE WERE STILL ENSLAVED AFTER

THE CIVIL WAR, TWO YEARS LATER AFTER THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.

SO, ON JUNETEENTH WHEN WE CELEBRATE THIS, WE HAVE TO DEMAND OUR

REPARATIONS. YOU CAN'T WORK US FOR FREE. YOU CAN'T STEAL THIS LAND FROM

THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND THEN TALK ABOUT YOUR GREATNESS AS A NATION

AND NEVER REPAY THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THIS NATION FOR YOU. YOU STOLE US.

YOU WORKED US. YOU SOLD US. YOU OWE US. REPARATIONS NOW. A

CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED. OUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INJURED AND

COMPENSATION IS DUE. PAY US OUR REPARATIONS AND THEN CAN HAVE SOME

FOOD WITH US AS WE CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

(LAUGHTER)

ACING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. WRIGHT.

MS. WRIGHT: THANK YOU, SPEAKER. I WANT TO

WELCOME OUR VISITORS THAT ARE HERE TODAY TO CELEBRATE WITH US, AND I

LEND MY VOICE AS WE HERE IN NEW YORK STATE AFFIRM AND HONOR

JUNETEENTH (ADJUSTING MIC). I'M SORRY, THANK YOU, SPEAKER. TODAY I

STAND AND I'M HONORED TO LEND MY VOICE AS WE IN NEW YORK STATE

HONOR AND OBSERVE JUNETEENTH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WELCOME TO

OUR VISITORS, IN PARTICULAR, ONE OF OUR YOUNGER VISITORS WHO WAS NOT

MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SON OF OUR DANCER, TAJON THOMAS. THANK YOU

FOR JOINING US TODAY.

JUNETEENTH CELEBRATES FREEDOM IN THE UNITED STATES.

BLACK FREEDOM. ALTHOUGH THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS DATED

JANUARY 1, 1863, IT WAS NOT UNTIL JUNE 19, 1865, TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS

LATER, WHEN UNION SOLDIERS ENTERED GALVESTON, TEXAS AND ANNOUNCED

THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT SOME 250,000 SLAVES

IN TEXAS WERE FINALLY FREE. OH, WHAT A TIME OF JOY AND CELEBRATION.

THE NEW AND FREE -- THE NEWLY-FREED PEOPLE MARKED THAT OCCASION WITH

COMMUNITY-WIDE CELEBRATIONS, AND WE CONTINUE THE TRADITION TODAY.

OUR CELEBRATIONS ARE OFTEN A FUSION OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE. A TIME

FOR REFLECTION AND RENEWAL. FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR'S CELEBRATION IN THE

56TH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT WAS THE 9TH ANNUAL CELEBRATION CURATED AND

SPONSORED BY CAL TECH'S AFRICAN DANCE COMPANY. THEY OFFERED

DANCE CLASSES, ART SESSIONS, LECTURES, MUSICAL PERFORMANCES AND A HOUSE

MUSIC DANCE PARTY. IT WAS A CELEBRATION THAT HONORED THE RESILIENCY OF

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

A PEOPLE THAT WERE ENSLAVED, TERRORIZED, LYNCHED, DISCRIMINATED AGAINST,

BEATEN, ROBBED, CHEATED AND IMPRISONED. YET, WHO ARE THE VERY SAME

PEOPLE WHO ARE HOPEFUL ENOUGH TO STAND IN THE GAP AND STAY READY TO

FIGHT FOR AND SECURE THE RIGHTS OF ALL PEOPLE. THE VERY SPIRIT-FILLED

PEOPLE THAT HAVE PRODUCED MUSIC AND ART TO NOURISH THE SOUL. THE

PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUGHT IN EVERY BRANCH OF THE ARMED SERVICES TO

PROTECT THIS COUNTRY AND THE RIGHTS THAT ARE OFTEN DENIED TO THEM. THE

PEOPLE OF FAITH AND DETERMINATION WHO CONTINUE TO DREAM. BECAUSE AS

SO APTLY CAPTURED BY THE POET LANGSTON HUGHES, I, TOO, SING AMERICA. I

AM THE DARKER BROTHER. THEY SEND ME TO EAT IN THE KITCHEN WHEN

COMPANY COMES. BUT I LAUGH AND EAT WELL AND GROW STRONG.

TOMORROW I'LL BE AT THE TABLE WHEN COMPANY COMES. NOBODY WILL DARE

TO SAY TO ME "EAT IN THE KITCHEN" THEN. BESIDES, THEY'LL SEE HOW

BEAUTIFUL I AM AND BE ASHAMED. I, TOO, AM AMERICA.

THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTION IS

ADOPTED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 586, MS.

SOLAGES.

LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

ANDREW M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM JULY 2019, AS PLASTIC FREE MONTH IN

THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTION IS

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ADOPTED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 587, MS.

MALLIOTAKIS.

LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

ANDREW M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM JUNE 21, 2019, AS YOGA DAY IN THE

STATE OF NEW YORK, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OBSERVANCE OF

INTERNATIONAL DAY OF YOGA.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTION IS

ADOPTED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 588, MR.

CUSICK.

LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

ANDREW M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 20, 2019, AS POW/MIA

DAY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTION IS

ADOPTED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 589, MR.

DESTEFANO.

LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

ANDREW M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 2019, AS DYSTONIA

AWARENESS MONTH IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTION IS

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ADOPTED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 590, MR.

BYRNE.

LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

ANDREW M. CUOMO TO PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2019, AS ECZEMA AWARENESS

MONTH IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTION IS

ADOPTED.

MR. ABBATE.

MR. ABBATE: MR. SPEAKER, I'D LIKE TO STAR A BILL,

ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 7133-A, PAGE 36, RULES REPORT NO. 279.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS STARRED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER. IF WE CAN

START ON CONSENT ON PAGE 9 WITH RULES REPORT NO. 142 BY MR. CROUCH.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A05960, RULES REPORT

NO. 142, CROUCH, LUPARDO. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 125 OF THE LAWS

OF 2017, AMENDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW RELATING TO

HUNTING IN THE COUNTY OF BROOME WEST OF THE SUSQUEHANNA RIVER, IN

RELATION TO MAKING THE PROVISIONS THEREOF PERMANENT.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

CROUCH, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, MY

COLLEAGUES, THIS IS OUR FIRST VOTE OF TODAY. IF YOU'RE IN AND AROUND THE

CHAMBERS [SIC], PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR AGENDA

MOVING WITH SOME SPEED. FIRST VOTE OF TODAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: FIRST VOTE OF THE DAY,

MEMBERS. IF YOU'RE IN YOUR SEATS, PLEASE VOTE NOW. IF YOU'RE IN THE

SOUND OF OUR VOICE, IF YOU HEAR US, COME TO THE CHAMBER AND VOTE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A05991, RULES REPORT

NO. 143, WEINSTEIN, SEAWRIGHT, ABINANTI, LUPARDO, SIMOTAS, TAYLOR,

STECK. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAW, IN RELATION TO ACTIONS

INVOLVING PUBLIC PETITION AND PARTICIPATION.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06214, RULES REPORT

NO. 144, ABBATE, WALLACE, COLTON, STECK, MCDONOUGH, WEPRIN,

GRIFFIN, BUTTENSCHON, BENEDETTO, SANTABARBARA. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

RETIREMENT AND SOCIAL SECURITY LAW, IN RELATION TO DISABILITY RETIREMENT

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

FOR MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, FOREST

RANGERS, UNIVERSITY POLICE OFFICERS AND THE REGIONAL STATE PARK POLICE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

ABBATE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

VOTE ON THE FLOOR, MEMBERS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06241-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 145, ABBATE, COLTON, JAFFEE, GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

RETIREMENT AND SOCIAL SECURITY LAW, IN RELATION TO PROVIDING A LUNG

DISEASE PRESUMPTION FOR CORRECTION OFFICERS, CORRECTION SUPERVISORS,

DEPUTY SHERIFF PATROL OR DEPUTY SHERIFF PATROL SUPERVISORS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06246-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 146, LIPETRI. AN ACT TO AMEND -- AN ACT IN RELATION TO

AUTHORIZING THE WEST BABYLON CHURCH OF GOD OF PROPHECY, INC., TO FILE

AN APPLICATION FOR EXEMPTION FROM REAL PROPERTY TAXES FOR CERTAIN

ASSESSMENT ROLLS.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

THAT -- EXCUSE ME. THAT VOTE WILL BE WITHDRAWN.

THE CLERK WILL READ. SAME BILL.

ON A MOTION BY MR. LIPETRI, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE

THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

HERE'S A FIRST. HIS FIRST, AND HE'S NOT HOME.

(APPLAUSE)

LET'S HEAR IT FOR HIM. THIS IS THE YEAR THAT NEVER WAS.

(LAUGHTER)

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06260-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 147, GUNTHER, MAGNARELLI, BUTTENSCHON, WALLACE, D'URSO,

BRONSON, MCDONALD, STECK, MANKTELOW, MOSLEY, L. ROSENTHAL, THIELE,

ORTIZ, COLTON, WILLIAMS, GALEF, GOTTFRIED, BARRON. AN ACT TO AMEND

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO PROHIBITING THE USE

OF CHEMICAL FLAME RETARDANTS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06306-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 148, ROZIC, SANTABARBARA, MCDONALD, MCMAHON, BLAKE,

PERRY. AN ACT TO CREATE THE EMPIRE STATE CRICKET TASK FORCE; AND

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

ROZIC, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06367, RULES REPORT

NO. 149, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AUTHORIZE THE ASSESSOR OF THE COUNTY OF

NASSAU TO ACCEPT AN APPLICATION FOR EXEMPTION FROM REAL PROPERTY TAXES

FROM LUBAVITCH OF ROSLYN FOR A CERTAIN PARCEL IN THE HAMLET OF ROSLYN

HEIGHTS IN THE TOWN OF NORTH HEMPSTEAD.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

D'URSO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06368, RULES REPORT

NO. 150, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AUTHORIZE THE ASSESSOR OF THE COUNTY OF

NASSAU TO ACCEPT AN APPLICATION FOR EXEMPTION FROM REAL PROPERTY TAXES

FROM SHELTER ROCK ISLAMIC CENTER, INC. FOR A CERTAIN PARCEL IN THE

VILLAGE OF ROSLYN IN THE TOWN OF NORTH HEMPSTEAD.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

D'URSO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06466, RULES REPORT

NO. 151, D. ROSENTHAL, BLAKE, STIRPE, ARROYO, GALEF, SAYEGH, CRUZ,

ORTIZ, GOTTFRIED, MCDONOUGH, SCHMITT, ASHBY, WILLIAMS, SIMON,

MOSLEY, HYNDMAN, CRESPO, STECK, FERNANDEZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

INSURANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING HEALTH AND MOTOR VEHICLE

INSURANCE POLICIES TO NOTIFY POLICYHOLDERS OF CANCELLATION,

DISCONTINUANCE OR MAJOR CHANGES TO THEIR POLICY VIA EMAIL AND TO OFFER

PAPERLESS NOTIFICATION UPON THE ISSUANCE OF SUCH POLICIES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06553, RULES REPORT

NO. 152, OTIS. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 509 OF THE LAWS OF 2016,

AMENDING THE TAX LAW RELATING TO AUTHORIZING THE IMPOSITION OF AN

OCCUPANCY TAX IN THE VILLAGE OR PORT CHESTER, IN RELATION TO THE

EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

OTIS, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

HOME RULE MESSAGE IS AT THE DESK.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06739, RULES REPORT

NO. 153, JEAN-PIERRE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION

LAW, IN RELATION TO THE MERGER OF CERTAIN CEMETERY CORPORATIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

JEAN-PIERRE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06753-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 154, EICHENSTEIN, HEVESI, AUBRY, PICHARDO, FERNANDEZ,

REYES, SOLAGES, HUNTER, D. ROSENTHAL, BARRON, JOYNER, CYMBROWITZ,

FRONTUS, OTIS, CAHILL, WILLIAMS, STECK, VANEL, MCMAHON, ARROYO,

ENGLEBRIGHT, ABBATE, COLTON, PERRY, RIVERA, RODRIGUEZ, MCDONALD,

FALL, GRIFFIN, FAHY, DICKENS, BENEDETTO, CRUZ, EPSTEIN, SAYEGH,

ROMEO, JACOBSON, M.G. MILLER, MOSLEY, CUSICK, SIMON, LENTOL,

RAMOS, QUART, JEAN-PIERRE, PRETLOW, ABINANTI, TAYLOR, GALEF, SIMOTAS,

WALLACE, D'URSO, CRESPO, ORTIZ, NIOU, STERN, PHEFFER AMATO, WEPRIN,

LAVINE, ROZIC, DENDEKKER, DE LA ROSA, RYAN, CARROLL, LUPARDO,

MAGNARELLI, L. ROSENTHAL, BLAKE, TITUS, WALKER, HYNDMAN, NOLAN,

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

PAULIN, GOTTFRIED, O'DONNELL, DINOWITZ, ZEBROWSKI, STIRPE,

RICHARDSON, BICHOTTE, BRONSON, RAYNOR, SEAWRIGHT, WOERNER,

BUTTENSCHON, LIFTON, BURKE, BUCHWALD. AN ACT TO AMEND THE SOCIAL

SERVICES LAW, IN RELATION TO EXEMPTING INCOME EARNED BY PERSONS

UNDER THE AGE OF 24 FROM CERTAIN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS

FROM THE DETERMINATION OF NEED FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06771, RULES REPORT

NO. 155, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 280 OF THE LAWS OF 2016

AUTHORIZING THE VILLAGE OF PLANDOME MANOR TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO

SELL OR PLEDGE AS COLLATERAL FOR A LOAN SOME OR ALL OF THE DELINQUENT LIENS

HELD BY SUCH VILLAGE TO A PRIVATE PARTY OR ENGAGE A PRIVATE PARTY TO

COLLECT SOME OR ALL OF THE DELINQUENT TAX LIENS HELD BY IT, IN RELATION TO

THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

D'URSO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: HOME RULE MESSAGE

IS AT THE DESK.

THE CLERK WILL RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06773-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 156, STIRPE. AN ACT IN RELATION TO AUTHORIZING THE LIVERPOOL

CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT TO RECEIVE STATE AID FOR CERTAIN APPROVED

CAPITAL-FUNDED PROJECTS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

STIRPE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A06971-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 157, TAYLOR, L. ROSENTHAL, D'URSO, SOLAGES, ORTIZ,

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RICHARDSON, CRESPO, FERNANDEZ, DE LA ROSA, COOK, WEPRIN, PRETLOW,

GOTTFRIED, LAVINE, HYNDMAN, DICKENS, BRONSON, CUSICK, ABINANTI,

ARROYO, RIVERA, JEAN-PIERRE, DAVILA, MCDONALD, STECK, WILLIAMS,

JOYNER, EPSTEIN, D. ROSENTHAL, O'DONNELL, STERN, VANEL, BARRON,

DINOWITZ, JAFFEE, BRABENEC, RAIA, WRIGHT, PAULIN, FALL, SEAWRIGHT,

GALEF, MOSLEY, RAYNOR, MAGNARELLI, REYES. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING ANAPHYLACTIC POLICIES FOR

CHILD CARE SERVICES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

TAYLOR, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07053, RULES REPORT

NO. 158, THIELE, CAHILL, CRESPO, ENGLEBRIGHT, MCDONOUGH,

MONTESANO, MORINELLO, RAIA, L. ROSENTHAL, D'URSO, LUPARDO,

FERNANDEZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS LAW, IN

RELATION TO THE CONFINEMENT OF COMPANION ANIMALS IN UNATTENDED MOTOR

VEHICLES UNDER CONDITIONS THAT ENDANGER THE HEALTH OR WELL-BEING OF AN

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ANIMAL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07117, RULES REPORT

NO. 159, ABBATE, COLTON, REYES. AN ACT TO AMEND THE RETIREMENT AND

SOCIAL SECURITY LAW, IN RELATION TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT CERTAIN

MEMBERS OF THE NEW YORK STATE TEACHERS' RETIREMENT SYSTEM MAY

BORROW AGAINST RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTIONS AND TO MAKING TECHNICAL

CORRECTIONS THERETO.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07124, RULES REPORT

NO. 160, CAHILL. AN ACT TO AMEND THE INSURANCE LAW AND A CHAPTER OF

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE LAWS OF 2018 AMENDING THE INSURANCE LAW RELATING TO BUSINESS

ENTITY LICENSE RENEWAL DATES, AS PROPOSED IN LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBER

S.6445-A AND A.8484-A, IN RELATION TO REGISTRATION FEES AND CONTINUING

EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR LICENSE RENEWAL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

CAHILL, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07169, RULES REPORT

NO. 161, GLICK, JAFFEE, SIMON, BLAKE, DE LA ROSA, ENGLEBRIGHT, ROZIC,

ORTIZ, CRUZ, WILLIAMS, EPSTEIN, REYES, GOTTFRIED, M.G. MILLER, JOYNER,

RAMOS, FALL, FERNANDEZ, CRESPO, WEPRIN, GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO AMEND

THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION TO EQUAL PAY DISCLOSURE WITH RESPECT TO

STATE CONTRACTS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07199, RULES REPORT

NO. 162, GUNTHER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE MENTAL HYGIENE LAW, IN

RELATION TO THE SUSPENSION OF SERVICE OF STATE-OPERATED INDIVIDUALIZED

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RESIDENTIAL ALTERNATIVES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MRS.

GUNTHER, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07289, RULES REPORT

NO. 163, BARRETT, DENDEKKER, SANTABARBARA, NORRIS, RAIA, D'URSO,

WALLACE, CUSICK, STERN, GRIFFIN, MALLIOTAKIS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL

PROPERTY TAX LAW, IN RELATION TO ESTABLISHING A TAX EXEMPTION FOR

IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY OF SEVERELY INJURED MEMBERS OF THE

ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 2ND.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES,

WE'RE JUST GOING TO PAUSE FOR A MINUTE. MR. LIPETRI, WHO PASSED HIS

FIRST AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT'LL HAPPEN AGAIN, WE SHOULD

GIVE HIM AN APPLAUSE.

(APPLAUSE)

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07293, RULES REPORT

NO. 164, THIELE, WOERNER, PAULIN, D'URSO, STERN, BURKE, ABBATE,

JEAN-PIERRE, EPSTEIN, DESTEFANO, ASHBY, BRABENEC, MONTESANO,

SCHMITT, MIKULIN, B. MILLER, MCDONOUGH, RAIA, PALUMBO, MANKTELOW,

GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EDUCATION LAW, IN RELATION TO MILITARY

VOTERS AND BALLOTS FOR ELECTION OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION

AND SCHOOL DISTRICT PUBLIC LIBRARY TRUSTEES, AND THE ADOPTION OF THE

ANNUAL BUDGET AND SCHOOL DISTRICT PUBLIC LIBRARY BUDGET AND REFERENDA.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

THIELE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST -- READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07417, RULES REPORT

NO. 165, LIFTON, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 210 OF THE LAWS OF

2009, AMENDING THE COUNTY LAW RELATING TO COMMUNICATION SERVICE

SURCHARGES APPLIED TO TOMPKINS COUNTY, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

PROVISIONS OF SUCH CHAPTER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON MOTION BY MS.

LIFTON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED. HOME RULE MESSAGE IS AT THE DESK.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07432-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 166, MCMAHON, B. MILLER, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND

CHAPTER 635 OF THE LAWS OF 1963 RELATING TO INCORPORATING THE SNYDER

VOLUNTEER FIREMEN'S BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION, IN RELATION TO ITS PURPOSE

AND THE USE OF FOREIGN FIRE INSURANCE PREMIUM TAXES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

MCMAHON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07433, RULES REPORT

NO. 167, ZEBROWSKI. AN ACT IN RELATION TO PERMITTING THE VILLAGE OF

UPPER NYACK TO FILE AN APPLICATION FOR A REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07450, RULES REPORT

NO. 168, STEC. AN ACT TO AMEND THE TAX LAW, IN RELATION TO INCREASING

HOTEL AND MOTEL TAXES IN THE COUNTY OF ESSEX.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: HOME RULE MESSAGE

IS AT THE DESK.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 1,

2020.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07458, RULES REPORT

NO. 169, WALLACE. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 462 OF THE LAWS OF 2015,

AMENDING THE ELDER LAW RELATING TO LONG-TERM CARE OMBUDSMAN ACCESS

TO ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF CERTAIN

PROVISIONS OF SUCH CHAPTER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

WALLACE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

COULD CALL THE RULES COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

RULES COMMITTEE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: RULES COMMITTEE,

SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A00109, RULES REPORT

NO. 170, L. ROSENTHAL, SEAWRIGHT, ARROYO, SIMON, GALEF, MOSLEY,

DINOWITZ, ORTIZ, D'URSO, DE LA ROSA, QUART. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

PUBLIC BUILDINGS LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING THAT ALL SINGLE-

OCCUPANCY BATHROOMS IN STATE-OWNED OR OPERATED BUILDINGS BE

DESIGNATED AS GENDER NEUTRAL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

ROSENTHAL, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ -- READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 90 DAYS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ARE THERE ANY

OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07484, RULES REPORT

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

NO. 171, PHEFFER AMATO. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 100 OF THE LAWS OF

2013, RELATING TO AUTHORIZING THE REINSTATEMENT OF PRIOR APPROVED WORK

PERMITS AND WAIVING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 35 AND SUBDIVISION 2

OF SECTION 36 OF THE GENERAL CITY LAW AS SUCH PROVISIONS RELATE TO

REBUILDING AND REPAIRING HOMES DEVASTATED BY HURRICANE SANDY IN THE

CITY OF NEW YORK, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MS. PHEFFER AMATO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE

BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07489-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 172, GUNTHER. AN ACT TO CREATE A TEMPORARY COMMISSION

RELATING TO THE OFFICE OF MENTAL HEALTH HOUSING PROGRAMS.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MRS. GUNTHER, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07496-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 173, PEOPLES-STOKES, BURKE, MCMAHON, RYAN, WALLACE,

SCHIMMINGER. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 5 OF THE LAWS OF 1997

RELATING TO THE CREATION OF THE ROSWELL PARK CANCER INSTITUTE

CORPORATION AND PROVIDING FOR THE RIGHTS, POWERS, DUTIES AND

JURISDICTION OF SUCH CORPORATION, IN RELATION TO PROCUREMENT CONTRACTS

AWARDED BY THE INSTITUTE.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07497, RULES REPORT

NO. 174, RAYNOR, HYNDMAN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE HIGHWAY LAW, IN

RELATION TO DESIGNATING A PORTION OF THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM AS

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

"MELVIN HARRIS, JR. WAY."

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MS. RAYNOR TO EXPLAIN HER VOTE.

MS. RAYNOR: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, FOR

ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THE BILL. THE LATE AND GREAT MR. MELVIN

HARRIS, JR. WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER AND ADVOCATE WHO CALLED

UNIONDALE, NEW YORK HIS HOME. MR. HARRIS SERVED AS THE NASSAU

COUNTY COMMISSIONER ON HUMAN RIGHTS, AND PRESIDENT OF THE

HEMPSTEAD CHAPTER OF THE NAACP. HE ALSO SERVED AS VICE PRESIDENT

OF THE UNIONDALE COMMUNITY COUNCIL, AND PRESIDENT OF THE NOSTRAND

GARDENS CIVIC ASSOCIATION. MR. HARRIS ADVOCATED STRONGLY FOR THE

UNIONDALE COMMUNITY. HE FOUGHT FOR POSITIVE CHANGE, INCLUSION,

OPPORTUNITY AND UPWARD MOBILITY FOR THE UNDERSERVED AND

DISENFRANCHISED. MRS. PATTY HARRIS, THE WIFE OF MR. HARRIS, CARRIES ON

HIS LEGACY TODAY. SHE SERVES AS A LEADER IN THE NOSTRAND GARDENS CIVIC

ASSOCIATION, AN AMBASSADOR FOR EDUCATION. MRS. HARRIS, MEMBERS OF

THE NOSTRAND GARDENS CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND THE WONDERFUL RESIDENTS

OF UNIONDALE REQUESTED THAT FRONT STREET BE RENAMED IN MR. HARRIS'

HONOR BECAUSE IT IS THE STREET NEAREST TO THE HARRIS HOME.

I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A QUOTE BY MR. HARRIS. "IF WE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

AGREE TO PUT DOWN OUR PETTY DIFFERENCES AND LIFT UP THE GREATNESS IN

EACH OTHER, THEN COLLECTIVELY, WE CAN CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF OUR

COMMUNITIES." IT IS QUITE EVIDENT THAT MR. HARRIS UNDERSTOOD THE

IMPORTANCE OF CIVIC LEADERS AND COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS FOR

THE PROTECTION AND PROGRESSION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE THE PROUD SPONSOR

OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU, AND I VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: MS. RAYNOR IN

THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07560-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 175, FITZPATRICK. AN ACT IN RELATION TO AUTHORIZING THE

ASSESSOR OF THE TOWN OF SMITHTOWN, COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, TO ACCEPT

FROM THE MONASTERY OF THE GLORIOUS ASCENSION, INC., AN APPLICATION FOR

EXEMPTION FROM REAL PROPERTY TAXES.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07564-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 176, FERNANDEZ, MCDONALD, SAYEGH, DICKENS,

M.G. MILLER, REYES, SIMON, GOTTFRIED, MCDONOUGH, CROUCH, ORTIZ,

JAFFEE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE MENTAL HYGIENE LAW, IN RELATION TO

REQUIRING A WRITTEN REPORT ON PLANS AND PROGRAMS RELATED TO THE

PREVENTION OF SUICIDE.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MS. FERNANDEZ TO EXPLAIN HER VOTE.

MS. FERNANDEZ: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE

PURPOSE OF THIS BILL IS TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT UPON -- OR AFTER THE

TASK FORCE THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN REGARD TO THE SUICIDE ISSUE THAT IS

HAPPENING ALL OVER THE STATE. A -- A TASK FORCE HAS BEEN PUT, BUT WE

NEED TO SEE THE REPORT SO WE KNOW HOW TO BETTER ASSESS AND TO MOVE

FORWARD IN PROVIDING PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES FOR THE EPIDEMIC AT HAND.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE,

AND I THANK THE SPEAKER FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FLOOR.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: MS. FERNANDEZ IN

THE AFFIRMATIVE.

MR. O'DONNELL TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

MR. O'DONNELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE

TO COMMEND THE SPONSOR, WHO MANAGED TO GET HER HANDS ON THIS BILL

BEFORE I GOT A CHANCE TO DO SO. SO, VERY MUCH SOMETHING THAT I'M

INTERESTED IN MY COMMUNITY, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE MONTH OF JUNE AS IT

RELATES TO LGBT YOUTH, WHO HAVE TEN TIMES HIGHER SUICIDE RATES THAN

ALL OTHER CHILDREN. AND WE SEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND ON HOW THE IMPACTS

OF THE INTERNET AND THE IMPACT ON BULLYING AFFECTS CHILDREN WHO DON'T

FEEL LIKE THEY BELONG IN THE WORLD WHERE THEY ARE PLACED. AND SO IT

TAKES A LONG TIME TO OVERCOME THAT, AND WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER

JOB, AND I WANT TO COMMEND THE SPONSOR FOR HER FINE WORK ON THIS.

I'LL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: MR. O'DONNELL IN

THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07570, RULES REPORT

NO. 177, FAHY. AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE ASSESSOR OF THE CITY OF ALBANY

TO ACCEPT FROM CONGREGATION OHAV SHALOM AN APPLICATION FOR

EXEMPTION FROM REAL PROPERTY TAXES PURSUANT TO SECTION 420-A OF THE

REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MS. FAHY, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07571-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 178, DINOWITZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE SURROGATE'S COURT

PROCEDURE ACT, IN RELATION TO RAISING THE VALUE OF A SMALL ESTATE.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MR. DINOWITZ, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07572, RULES REPORT

NO. 179, DINOWITZ, WEINSTEIN, GOTTFRIED, SEAWRIGHT. AN ACT TO AMEND

THE CIVIL PRACTICE LAW AND RULES, IN RELATION TO ARBITRATION AWARDS IN

CONSUMER AND EMPLOYMENT DISPUTES.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 180 DAYS.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07591, RULES REPORT

NO. 180, REYES, ROZIC, DE LA ROSA, BUTTENSCHON, HEVESI, THIELE,

ENGLEBRIGHT, CRUZ, HUNTER, D'URSO, JEAN-PIERRE, TITUS, BLAKE,

SEAWRIGHT, EPSTEIN, SIMON, GOTTFRIED, ZEBROWSKI, M.G. MILLER, ASHBY,

SCHMITT, MORINELLO, GLICK, FERNANDEZ, JAFFEE, RAYNOR, LAWRENCE,

BARRON. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 74 OF THE LAWS OF 2007 AMENDING

THE PENAL LAW, THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE LAW, THE CORRECTION LAW, THE

SOCIAL SERVICES LAW AND THE EXECUTIVE LAW RELATING TO HUMAN

TRAFFICKING, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE INTERAGENCY TASK FORCE ON

HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MS. REYES, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07611, RULES REPORT

NO. 181, GUNTHER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE MENTAL HYGIENE LAW, IN

RELATION TO REQUIRING MONTHLY STATUS REPORTS OF COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS

AND THE IMPACT ON INPATIENT CENSUS.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MRS. GUNTHER, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07675, RULES REPORT

NO. 182 HAS BEEN AMENDED.

ASSEMBLY NO. A07686, RULES REPORT NO. 183, QUART,

BLAKE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO PROVIDING

RECORDS FOR PROTECTION AND ADVOCACY SERVICES IN A TIMELY MANNER.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07690, RULES REPORT

NO. 184, SANTABARBARA, LUPARDO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE AGRICULTURE AND

MARKETS LAW, IN RELATION TO DIESEL FUEL GRADE POSTING REQUIREMENTS.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MR. SANTABARBARA, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL

IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 60 DAYS.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07691, RULES REPORT

NO. 185, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 366 OF THE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

LAWS OF 2011 AMENDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW RELATING

TO YOUTH PHEASANT HUNTING DAYS ON LONG ISLAND, IN RELATION TO THE

EFFECTIVENESS OF SUCH CHAPTER.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MR. ENGLEBRIGHT, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07694, RULES REPORT

NO. 186, BENEDETTO, MCDONALD. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EDUCATION LAW,

IN RELATION TO AUTHORIZING BOARDS OF COOPERATIVE EDUCATIONAL SERVICES TO

ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITH PRESCHOOL SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAM

PROVIDERS.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MR. BENEDETTO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07701, RULES REPORT

NO. 187, JACOBSON, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE TOWN LAW, IN

RELATION TO AUTHORIZING THE TOWN OF NEWBURGH, ORANGE COUNTY, TO

ESTABLISH A ROAD IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IN THE RIDGE HUDSON VALLEY

DEVELOPMENT AREA.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MR. JACOBSON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED. HOME RULE MESSAGE IS AT THE DESK.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07705, RULES REPORT

NO. 188, JACOBSON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE TAX LAW, IN RELATION TO

AUTHORIZING THE TOWN OF NEWBURGH TO IMPOSE A HOTEL AND MOTEL TAX;

AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: HOME RULE

MESSAGE IS AT THE DESK, AND THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07706, RULES REPORT

NO. 189, HUNTER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE TAX LAW, IN RELATION TO THE

IMPOSITION OF AN OCCUPANCY TAX IN THE TOWN OF DEWITT; AND PROVIDING

FOR THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: HOME RULE

MESSAGE IS AT THE DESK, AND THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07709, RULES REPORT

NO. 190, LIFTON, JACOBSON, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND PART BBB OF

CHAPTER 55 OF THE LAWS OF 2019 AMENDING THE ELECTION LAW RELATING TO

PROVIDING UNIFORM POLLING HOURS DURING PRIMARY ELECTIONS, IN RELATION

TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MS. LIFTON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED, AND THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07723, RULES REPORT

NO. 191, GOTTFRIED. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, IN

RELATION TO A QUORUM OF THE STATE CAMP SAFETY ADVISORY COUNCIL.

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: ON A MOTION BY

MR. GOTTFRIED, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER PICHARDO: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ARE THERE ANY OTHER

VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07752, RULES REPORT

NO. 192, DINOWITZ, GLICK, COLTON, DICKENS, D'URSO, PAULIN, SIMON,

GRIFFIN, JAFFEE, SANTABARBARA, L. ROSENTHAL, PICHARDO. AN ACT TO AMEND

THE PENAL LAW, IN RELATION TO THE TRANSPORT OF PISTOLS OR REVOLVERS BY

LICENSEES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07773, RULES REPORT

NO. 193, BUTTENSCHON, LUPARDO, HUNTER, OTIS, JACOBSON, PHEFFER

AMATO, WOERNER, BURKE, GUNTHER, SOLAGES, CRUZ, FALL, WRIGHT, RIVERA,

M.L. MILLER. AN ACT TO AMEND PART I OF CHAPTER 61 OF THE LAWS OF

2017 AMENDING THE TAX LAW RELATING TO OPERATIONAL EXPENSES OF

CERTAIN GAMING FACILITIES, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE EFFECTIVENESS

THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07779, RULES REPORT

NO. 194, FAHY. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ENERGY LAW, IN RELATION TO

REQUIRING AN ANNUAL REPORT ON APPLIANCE AND EQUIPMENT ENERGY

EFFICIENCY STANDARDS AND RESULTING ENERGY AND UTILITY BILL SAVINGS; AND

PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

REAL PROPERTY TAXATION -- THE BILL IS PASSED.

REAL PROPERTY TAXATION IN THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE

ROOM IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07789, RULES REPORT

NO. 195, MAGNARELLI. AN ACT TO AMEND THE VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC LAW, IN

RELATION TO INCREASING INSURANCE LIMITS FOR CERTAIN FOR-HIRE VEHICLES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

MAGNARELLI, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 1,

2020.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07821, RULES REPORT

NO. 196, ZEBROWSKI. AN ACT AUTHORIZING THE COMMISSIONER OF GENERAL

SERVICES TO TRANSFER AND CONVEY CERTAIN UNAPPROPRIATED STATE LAND TO

ROCKLAND RECOVERY HOMES, INC.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07854, RULES REPORT

NO. 197, GOTTFRIED, BRONSON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW,

IN RELATION TO INCLUDING THE RECORD OF COMPLETION OF ANNUALLY-REQUIRED

IN-SERVICE EDUCATION IN THE STATE HOME CARE WORKER REGISTRY.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

GOTTFRIED, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 1ST.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07863, RULES REPORT

NO. 198, PEOPLES-STOKES. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PARKS, RECREATION AND

HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE

MICHIGAN STREET AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE CORRIDOR COMMISSION;

AND TO AMEND CHAPTER 595 OF THE LAWS OF 2007 AMENDING THE PARKS,

RECREATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW RELATING TO ESTABLISHING THE

MICHIGAN STREET AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE CORRIDOR COMMISSION IN

BUFFALO, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MRS.

PEOPLES-STOKES, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07882, RULES REPORT

NO. 199, NIOU, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION TO MANAGE

THE AMERICAN EEL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

NIOU, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07892, RULES REPORT

NO. 200, ABBATE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE RETIREMENT AND SOCIAL SECURITY

LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE PERIOD OF TIME TO FILE AN APPLICATION

FOR AN ACCIDENTAL DEATH BENEFIT AFTER THE DEATH OF A MEMBER OF THE NEW

YORK STATE AND LOCAL EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYSTEM OR THE NEW YORK

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

STATE AND LOCAL POLICE AND FIRE RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07915-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 201, MAGNARELLI, D'URSO, PALMESANO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

PUBLIC HEALTH LAW AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN

RELATION TO ALLOWING DONATE LIFE REGISTRATION WHEN APPLYING FOR OR

RENEWING A HUNTING, FISHING OR TRAPPING LICENSE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 365 DAYS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07921, RULES REPORT

NO. 202, MAGNARELLI, SALKA, BARCLAY. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PENAL LAW,

IN RELATION TO POSSESSION OF FIREARMS ON PROPERTY OWNED BY OR HELD IN

TRUST FOR SUNY ESF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

MAGNARELLI, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 30 DAYS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07924-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 203, MAGNARELLI. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EDUCATION LAW, IN

RELATION TO CERTAIN INCREASES IN NON-RESIDENT UNDERGRADUATE RATES OF

TUITION FOR THE STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK COLLEGE OF ENVIRONMENTAL

SCIENCE AND FORESTRY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07926, RULES REPORT

NO. 204, FRONTUS. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 413 OF THE LAWS OF 2015,

AMENDING THE EXECUTIVE LAW RELATING TO QUARTERLY CLAIM REPORTS FOR

CERTAIN DISASTER ASSISTANCE, IN RELATION TO THE EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

FRONTUS, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MS. FRONTUS, NEVER BETTER THAN THIS. HAPPY FIRST.

(APPLAUSE)

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07929, RULES REPORT

NO. 205, BRONSON, SEAWRIGHT. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN

RELATION TO REQUIRING THE COLLECTION OF CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION

BY CERTAIN STATE AGENCIES, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

BRONSON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED. THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07937, RULES REPORT

NO. 206, WALKER, BLAKE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN

RELATION TO THE DEFINITION OF "DIRECT RELATIONSHIP" FOR THE PURPOSES OF

ARTICLE 23-A OF THE CORRECTION LAW REGARDING THE LICENSURE AND

EMPLOYMENT OF PERSONS PREVIOUSLY CONVICTED OF ONE OR MORE CRIMINAL

OFFENSES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07969, RULES REPORT

NO. 207, DINOWITZ. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 237 OF THE LAWS OF 2015

AMENDING THE JUDICIARY LAW, THE CIVIL PRACTICE LAW AND RULES AND

OTHER LAWS RELATING TO USE OF ELECTRONIC MEANS FOR THE COMMENCEMENT

AND FILING OF PAPERS IN CERTAIN ACTIONS AND PROCEEDINGS, IN RELATION TO

THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

DINOWITZ, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07981-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 208, WALKER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

LAW, IN RELATION TO ISSUANCE OF APPEARANCE TICKETS TO ADOLESCENT

OFFENDERS PENDING APPEARANCES BEFORE YOUTH PARTS OF SUPERIOR COURTS OF

CRIMINAL JURISDICTION.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07982, RULES REPORT

NO. 209, TAYLOR. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE LAW, IN

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RELATION TO NOTIFICATION TO, AND ENGAGEMENT OF, PARENTS IN PROCEEDINGS

INVOLVING 16- AND 17-YEAR-OLD DEFENDANTS IN YOUTH PARTS IN SUPERIOR

COURTS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08003, RULES REPORT

NO. 210, ABBATE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE RETIREMENT AND SOCIAL SECURITY

LAW, IN RELATION TO MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER. I'M TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERRUPT OUR PROCEEDINGS TO

INTRODUCE SOME VERY SPECIAL GUESTS THAT ARE IN OUR CHAMBERS [SIC] ON

BEHALF OF MR. STECK. THESE YOUNG LADIES ARE FROM THE NISKAYUNA HIGH

SCHOOL. THEY'RE THE GIRLS JUNIOR VARSITY ROWING TEAM. THE CREW,

MADE UP OF MADDY CASTLE, HEATHER SCHMIDT, LESLIE AB -- ABAD-

NEAGU, JACKIE LASEK, COMPETED AGAINST TEAMS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY

AT THE SCHOLASTIC NATIONAL CHAMPIONS IN NASHPORT, OHIO OVER THE

MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. THEY WERE NAMED NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, MR.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

SPEAKER.

PLEASE WELCOME THESE YOUNG LADIES WHO ARE BOTH

SKILLED IN ACADEMICS AND ATHLETICS, AS WELL AS THEIR COACHES, TO OUR

CHAMBERS [SIC] AND PROVIDE THEM WITH THE CORDIALITIES OF OUR HOUSE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. ON BEHALF

OF MR. PHILLIP STECK, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME

YOU HERE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY. WE EXTEND TO YOU THE

PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR. WE CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR CHAMPIONSHIP.

I'M SURE THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL LIVE WITH YOU FOR THE REST OF

YOUR LIFE, BUT MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS TO COME, NO DOUBT. CONTINUE YOUR

GREAT WORK BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY. THANK YOU SO VERY

MUCH, AND TO ALL THAT COME WITH YOU.

(APPLAUSE)

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08011, RULES REPORT

NO. 211, GUNTHER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE HIGHWAY LAW, IN RELATION TO

DESIGNATING A PORTION OF THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM IN THE TOWN OF

FREMONT AS THE "SPECIALIST ALLAN MILK MEMORIAL BRIDGE."

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08014, RULES REPORT

NO. 212, RICHARDSON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE MENTAL HYGIENE LAW, IN

RELATION TO REPORTS ON SHORT-TERM CRISIS RESPITE AND INTENSIVE CRISIS

RESPITE PROGRAMS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ARE THERE ANY OTHER

VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MADAM SPEAKER, COULD

YOU PLEASE CALL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S

CONFERENCE ROOM?

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN

THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08020, RULES REPORT

NO. 213, FALL, DICKENS. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 206 OF THE LAWS OF

2010 AMENDING THE PUBLIC AUTHORITIES LAW RELATING TO ESTABLISHING THE

METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY SMALL BUSINESS MENTORING

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

PROGRAM, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MR.

FALL, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MR. FALL TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. FALL: THANK YOU, MR. [SIC] SPEAKER. THIS BILL

WILL GIVE SMALL BUSINESSES AND MWBE BUSINESSES A UNIQUE CHANCE TO

LEARN, EARN AND GROW. BY EXTENDING THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO

PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, INCLUDING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND

CONSTRUCTION TRAINING, ACCESS TO CAPITAL, BUSINESS PLANS AND BACK-OFFICE

SUPPORT IN A COST-EFFECTIVE AND DIVERSE MANNER. WE ALL KNOW HOW

BUREAUCRATIC GOVERNMENT COULD BE, SO THIS BILL WILL HELP ADDRESS THAT. I

THINK THIS IS ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF HOW ONE OF THE LARGEST AGENCIES IN THE

WORLD CAN HELP SMALL BUSINESSES AND INSPIRING ENTREPRENEURS TO

SUCCEED.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I PROUDLY VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: MR. FALL IN THE

AFFIRMATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. FALL. YOUR FIRST.

(APPLAUSE)

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08023, RULES REPORT

NO. 214, WILLIAMS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION TO

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE-RELATED ACTIVITY OF THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE FOR

THE PREVENTION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND ADDING A MEMBER OF THE

ADVISORY COUNCIL; AND TO REPEAL CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF SUCH LAW RELATING

THERETO.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08024, RULES REPORT

NO. 215, ZEBROWSKI. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION

TO CLARIFYING THE EMPLOYEE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPRAISAL MANAGEMENT

COMPANIES.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08026, RULES REPORT

NO. 216, CRUZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL LAW,

IN RELATION TO FILING OF NOTIFICATION TO MUNICIPALITIES.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08032, RULES REPORT

NO. 217, GOTTFRIED. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 81 OF THE LAWS OF 1995,

AMENDING THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW AND OTHER LAWS RELATING TO MEDICAL

REIMBURSEMENT AND WELFARE REFORM, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

EFFECTIVENESS OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MR.

GOTTFRIED, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08033, RULES REPORT

NO. 218, SEAWRIGHT, DINOWITZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CIVIL PRACTICE

LAW AND RULES, IN RELATION TO NOTIFICATION OF ALLOWANCE FOR INFANT'S

SUPPORT.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MS.

SEAWRIGHT, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08035, RULES REPORT

NO. 219, FALL, CRESPO, COLTON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE LABOR LAW, IN

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

RELATION TO THE DEFINITION OF EMPLOYER FOR PURPOSES OF THE

UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE LAW.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 1ST.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08043, RULES REPORT

NO. 220, FRONTUS, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION TO MANAGE

ALEWIFE.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MS.

FRONTUS, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08044, RULES REPORT

NO. 221, RAMOS, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION TO MANAGE

THE AMERICAN SHAD.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MR.

RAMOS, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08045, RULES REPORT

NO. 222, GRIFFIN, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION TO MANAGE

BLACKFISH.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MS.

GRIFFIN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08046, RULES REPORT

NO. 223, STERN, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION TO MANAGE

WEAKFISH.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: ON A MOTION BY MR.

STERN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08054, RULES REPORT

NO. 224, DILAN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION TO

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES TO INCLUDE

PUBLIC EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: THE CLERK WILL RECORD

THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO --

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MADAM SPEAKER, WOULD

YOU PLEASE CALL THE HIGHER ED COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE

ROOM? MS. GLICK IS ON HER WAY.

ACTING SPEAKER ROZIC: HIGHER ED IN THE

SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM. MS. GLICK WILL BE THERE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08055, RULES REPORT

NO. 225, RAYNOR, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION TO MANAGE

HICKORY SHAD.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

EXCUSE ME. ON A MOTION BY MS. RAYNOR, THE SENATE

BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08089, RULES REPORT

NO. 226, RYAN, STIRPE, LUPARDO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT LAW, IN RELATION TO AN ADVISORY PANEL ON

EMPLOYEE-OWNED ENTERPRISES WITHIN THE DIVISION OF SMALL BUSINESS

SERVICES; AND TO AMEND CHAPTER 435 OF THE LAWS OF 2017 AMENDING

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LAW, RELATING TO ESTABLISHING AN ADVISORY

PANEL ON EMPLOYEE-OWNED ENTERPRISES WITHIN THE DIVISION OF SMALL

BUSINESS SERVICES, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

RYAN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08094, RULES REPORT

NO. 227, BARRETT, WALLACE, D'URSO, BLAKE, CUSICK, ASHBY. AN ACT

REQUIRING THE DIVISION OF VETERANS' SERVICES TO REVIEW ISSUES RELATING

TO VETERANS' ABILITY TO ACCESS STATE PARKS, LANDS AND FACILITIES; AND

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MRS. BARRETT TO EXPLAIN HER VOTE.

MRS. BARRETT: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I JUST

WANTED TO SHARE WITH COLLEAGUES THAT THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY

FOR US TO LOOK AT HOW WE, IN NEW YORK STATE, COULD LEAD ON WELLNESS

AND MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH INITIATIVES AROUND OUR VETERANS'

COMMUNITY, USING THE INCREDIBLE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN NEW

YORK STATE, AND LOOKING AT -- WE -- WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT BILLS THAT

COME UP ABOUT FREE THIS -- THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LICENSE OR FREE

DRIVER'S LICENSE PLATES OR ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, ACCESS. WE'RE

TAKING THIS WHOLE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN REALLY BE A MODEL FOR OTHER STATES

IN ENGAGING OUR VETERANS IN THE GREAT OUTDOORS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE

HERE, AND I'M REALLY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MRS. BARRETT IN THE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

AFFIRMATIVE.

MR. BLAKE TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. BLAKE: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. JUST FIRST, I

WANT TO COMMEND THE SPONSOR, OUR CHAIR, ON THIS BILL. IT -- IT IS A GREAT

IMPORTANCE AND NECESSITY. WE'RE SEEING PRETTY REGULARLY THAT OUR

VETERANS ARE COMING BACK HOME AND INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITIES AND

THEY NEED ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. AND THE REALITY OF BEING ABLE TO GO OUT

INTO THE OUTDOORS, BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE IN THE PARKS, BEING ABLE TO HAVE

THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS A PART OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND PHYSICAL

HEALTH. AS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM A MILITARY FAMILY -- HOME

MYSELF, WE SEE THIS REGULARLY, AND OFTEN, WHETHER IT BE AT CROTONA PARK

OR OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THIS KIND

OF BILL, IT MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S AN EASY ONE, BUT IT'S A NECESSARY ONE

BECAUSE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OUTDOORS AND THAT SUPPORT DOES

HELP OUR VETERANS AS THEY'RE RETURNING HOME.

SO, I PROUDLY SUPPORT THIS BILL AND AM REALLY GRATEFUL

FOR OUR SPONSOR IN DRIVING AND LEADING THIS BEFORE US, AND I --

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. BLAKE IN THE

AFFIRMATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08135, RULES REPORT

NO. 228, ENGLEBRIGHT, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ENVIRONMENTAL

CONSERVATION LAW, IN RELATION TO THE CENTRAL PINE BARRENS AREA AND THE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

CORE PRESERVATION AREA.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A08140, RULES REPORT

NO. 229, WOERNER, D'URSO. AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 455 OF THE LAWS

OF 2011 AMENDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW RELATING TO

AUTHORIZING ANGLING BY A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL WITH UP TO THREE LINES IN

FRESHWATER, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU CAN

PLEASE CALL THE BANKS COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

MR. ZEBROWSKI IS ON HIS WAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: COMMITTEE ON

BANKS, SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF I COULD

HAVE MEMBERS' ATTENTION, WE ARE GOING TO GO NOW TO OUR DEBATE LIST.

THERE ARE FOUR BILLS ON THERE THAT WE'LL GO ONTO CONSENT. THEY ARE NO --

RULES REPORT NO. 97, ASSEMBLY NO. 1801 BY MS. PHEFFER AMATO;

RULES REPORT NO. 135, ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 5635 [SIC] BY MR.

DENDEKKER; AND CALENDAR NO. 131, ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 2349 BY MR.

PERRY; AS WELL AS CALENDAR NO. 469, ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 413-A BY MS.

JAFFEE. IN THAT ORDER, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01801-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 97, PHEFFER AMATO, D'URSO, ORTIZ, COOK, COLTON, JONES,

NOLAN, GRIFFIN, DENDEKKER, CARROLL, CUSICK. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

EDUCATION LAW, IN RELATION TO PROVIDING FOR THE OBSERVANCE OF

SEPTEMBER 11TH REMEMBRANCE DAY AND PROVIDING FOR THE OBSERVANCE

OF A BRIEF PERIOD OF SILENCE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL CLASSROOMS AT THE OPENING

OF SUCH DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

PHEFFER AMATO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A05635-B, RULES

REPORT NO. 135, DENDEKKER, PAULIN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL

BUSINESS LAW AND THE STATE TECHNOLOGY LAW, IN RELATION TO

NOTIFICATION OF A SECURITY BREACH.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 90TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

WE WILL WITHDRAW THE ROLL CALL AND SUBSTITUTE.

ON MR. DENDEKKER'S MOTION, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE

THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT -- THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON

THE 90TH DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02349, CALENDAR NO.

131, PERRY, ABINANTI. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, IN

RELATION TO THE TRANSFER OF PATIENT MEDICAL RECORDS UPON THE CLOSURE OF A

HEALTH CARE PROVIDER'S OFFICE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

PERRY, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A00413-A, CALENDAR

NO. 469, JAFFEE, COOK, GOTTFRIED, PERRY, PICHARDO, STECK, JOYNER,

SIMON, WALKER, ABINANTI, ORTIZ, GUNTHER, JEAN-PIERRE, VANEL,

ZEBROWSKI, DICKENS, BARRON, TAYLOR, MCDONALD, PAULIN, ENGLEBRIGHT,

SAYEGH, HUNTER, SCHMITT, CRUZ, GRIFFIN, AUBRY, GLICK, BICHOTTE,

ARROYO, BRONSON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE SOCIAL SERVICES LAW, IN

RELATION TO PARENTS AND CARETAKERS WHO WORK NON-TRADITIONAL HOURS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

JAFFEE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT APRIL 1ST,

2020.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, COULD YOU

CALL THE ELECTION LAW COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. ELECTION

LAW, SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: COLLEAGUES, IF WE COULD

MOVE TOWARDS OUR SEATS, WE'RE ABOUT TO GO ON DEBATE. WE WANT TO START

WITH RULES REPORT NO. 68, 2029 ASSEMBLY BILL, AND ITS SPONSOR IS MR.

ABINANTI. THE SECOND ONE IS RULES REPORT NO. 69, IT'S 2669 BY -- -A,

BY PEOPLES-STOKES. AND THE THIRD ONE IS 7 -- RULES REPORT NO. 71,

3168 BY MR. ORTIZ. MR. ORTIZ.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WE ARE GOING TO BE

ON DEBATE. WOULD YOU FINISH UP THE CONVERSATIONS, LADIES AND

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

GENTLEMEN, AND HAVE YOUR SEATS? IF YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE

TO TAKE PLACE, TAKE THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBER.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02029, RULES REPORT

NO. 68, ABINANTI, MORINELLO, HEVESI, BRABENEC, PAULIN, SANTABARBARA,

QUART, MOSLEY, DILAN, JEAN-PIERRE, TAYLOR, BYRNE, STIRPE, MCDONOUGH,

JONES, RA, WALSH, PALMESANO, M.L. MILLER, GOTTFRIED. AN ACT TO

AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO NOTICES PERTAINING TO

CHILDREN'S NON-REGULATED CAMP.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

ABINANTI, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

MR. GOODELL REQUESTS AN EXPLANATION.

MR. ABINANTI: THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: FOLKS -- ONE MINUTE,

PLEASE. I ASKED YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OVER ON THIS SIDE.

(PAUSE)

PROCEED, MR. ABINANTI.

MR. ABINANTI: THANK YOU. MR. SPEAKER, THIS BILL

WOULD AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW TO PROVIDE THAT ANY CAMP OR

ORGANIZED ACTIVITY THAT ADVERTISES ITSELF AS A CAMP AND IS NOT REGULATED

BY ARTICLE 13(B) OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW WOULD PROVIDE TO THE

PARENTS OR GUARDIANS OF ANY CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 16 WHO

PARTICIPATE IN THAT ACTIVITY THAT THEY ARE NOT REGULATED AND NOT GOVERNED

BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WILL YOU YIELD, SIR?

MR. ABINANTI: YES, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THE LAW, YOU

HAVE OVERNIGHT CAMPS FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE REGULATED UNDER ARTICLE --

OR TITLE 13(B) -- ARTICLE 13(B) OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW. YOU HAVE DAY

CAMPS THAT ARE NOT, OBVIOUSLY, OVERNIGHT AND SO THEY'RE NOT REGULATED

BY TITLE 13(B) OF THE HEALTH LAW. BUT THOSE DAY CAMPS, THEY DO HAVE

TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE REST OF THE NEW YORK STATE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW

PROVISIONS, DON'T THEY?

MR. ABINANTI: THE CAMPS THAT ARE REGULATED BY

13(B), THE ANSWER IS YES. THOSE CAMPS NEED TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS,

HAVE INSURANCE, HAVE INSPECTIONS. WHAT WE'RE -- WE'RE TARGETING HERE

ARE THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE USUALLY SINGLE PURPOSE. MAYBE A BASKETBALL

CLINIC BY ONE OF THE COACHES WHO DURING THE SUMMER WILL SAY, WE'RE

GOING TO HAVE A SUMMER CAMP WHERE WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THE SKILLS OF

THE KIDS AND WE'RE GOING TO PRACTICE THREE HOURS A DAY. THERE'S AN

IMPRESSION GIVEN THAT BECAUSE IT IS AT A LOCAL SCHOOL OR AT THE LOCAL

PLAYGROUND THAT SOMEHOW THEY'RE REGULATED, SOMEHOW THEY'RE

PROTECTED, THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE

KIDS HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND IF THEY HAVE INSURANCE. AND MOST

PARENTS NEVER THINK TO ASK, IS THIS A REGULATED CAMP? DO THEY, IN FACT,

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THEY -- THEY DON'T DO THOSE THINGS. WE'RE NOT

BY THIS BILL REQUIRING THEM TO DO THOSE THINGS, WE JUST WANT GIVE

PARENTS A CHOICE. WE WANT THEM TO HAVE -- TO BE EDUCATED IN WHAT'S

HAPPENING - YOU KNOW THE OLD LINE "EDUCATION IS POWER" - SO THE

PARENTS CAN MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER THEY WANT TO TRUST THIS ACTIVITY,

THIS CLINIC OR WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO SOMEPLACE THAT IS REGULATED.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, LOOKING AT TITLE 13(B), IT'S

CLEAR THAT THAT REQUIRES THAT AN OVERNIGHT CAMP HAVE INSECT REPELLENT

AVAILABLE, SUNSCREEN AVAILABLE, A NURSE OR A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL

AVAILABLE. THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO CHECK THE

SEX REGISTRY, FOR EXAMPLE.

MR. ABINANTI: CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: BUT ALL CAMPS, WHETHER THEY'RE

OVERNIGHT OR JUST DAY CAMPS, IF THEY HAVE A POOL, THE POOL HAS TO

COMPLY WITH HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGS. CORRECT?

MR. ABINANTI: CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: AND IF THEY HAVE WATER, THE WATER

HAS TO POTABLE.

MR. ABINANTI: CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: AND IF THEY HAVE BATHROOMS, THEY

HAVE TO MEET HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.

MR. ABINANTI: CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: AND IF THEY HAVE GRASS, IT IS HAS TO

BE LESS THAN -- IT HAS TO BE MOWED LESS THAN 18 TO 24 INCHES FOR TICKS

AND FLEAS, RIGHT?

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

MR. ABINANTI: I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT ON THAT

ONE.

MR. GOODELL: AND, OF COURSE, THERE'S

REQUIREMENTS AS WELL ON, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS FOOD PREPARATION. THEY

HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FOOD SANITATION AND PREPARATION STANDARDS THAT ARE

-- THAT ARE DEVELOPED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

MR. ABINANTI: WHAT WE'RE TARGETING, THOUGH, ARE

THOSE CLINICS OR OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT NOW REGULATED BY 13(B) --

MR. GOODELL: RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND. SO THEY'RE NOT

REQUIRED TO HAVE SUNSCREEN, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE INSECT

REPELLENT. THOSE ARE THE 13(B) CAMPS. BUT IF THEY'RE -- IF THEY HAVE A

SPORTS TRAINER, THAT SPORTS TRAINER HAS TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR

DOH, RIGHT?

MR. ABINANTI: NO. BECAUSE THERE'S NO

REQUIREMENT HERE THAT THEY BE SUBJECTED TO 13(B) AT ALL. IF THE PERSON IS

A QUALIFIED --

MR. GOODELL: NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT SPORTS --

MR. ABINANTI: BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT --

MR. GOODELL: -- SPORTS TRAINERS ARE NOT COVERED BY

13(B). SPORTS TRAINERS ARE IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF DOH REQUIREMENTS.

MR. ABINANTI: BUT THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THEY ARE,

IN FACT, USING SOMEONE WHO'S A QUALIFIED SPORTS TRAINER. THEY MAY BE

ADVERTISING TO THE PARENTS THAT THEY HAVE SOMEONE WHO DOES SPORTS

TRAINING AND NOT USE THE TECHNICAL TERM "SPORTS TRAINER." THEREFORE,

THEY ARE GIVING A MISIMPRESSION TO THE PARENTS. AND ALL WE'RE SAYING,

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

AND ALL THIS BILL DOES IS REQUIRE THAT THEY GIVE A NOTICE TO THE PARENTS

THAT THE CAMP IS NOT REGULATED OR INSPECTED AND NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW

HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS. THAT'S ALL THIS BILL DOES.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. -- MR. ABINANTI.

ON THE BILL, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, SIR.

MR. GOODELL: AS MY COLLEAGUE POINTED OUT, THIS

IS A STATUTORY NOTICE THAT SAYS, QUOTE, "THIS CAMP IS NOT REQUIRED TO FILE

-- FOLLOW DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REGULATIONS." THAT'S PART OF THE

STATUTORY WARNING. THE PROBLEM IS, EVEN DAY CAMPS FOLLOW A LARGE

NUMBER OF DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REGULATIONS. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE PART

OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY OPERATING COMPLETELY DEVOID OF ANY REGULATORY

OVERSIGHT, AS THIS STATUTORY LANGUAGE WOULD SUGGEST. ALL THEIR WATER

HAS TO BE POTABLE. ALL THEIR BATHROOM AND SANITARY FACILITIES HAVE TO

MEET DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REGULATIONS. THEY'RE UNDER THE SUPERVISION

AND CONTROL AS IT RELATES TO TOXIC SUBSTANCES, LEAD, FOOD HANDLING,

RABIES. THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH STANDARDS

ON THE LENGTH OF THE GRASS TO PREVENT TICKS AND FLEAS. IF THEY HAVE A

SWIMMING POOL THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

REGULATIONS ON SWIMMING POOLS. IF THEY USE TRAINERS OR STAFF, THEY HAVE

TO COMPLY WITH THE DOH REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE. I

UNDERSTAND THE SPONSOR'S DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT PARENTS REALIZE THAT IF

THEY'RE GOING TO A DAY CAMP THAT IS NOT PERMITTED BY DOH, THERE MIGHT

NOT BE SUNSCREEN, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE INSECTICIDE. THEY MIGHT NOT BE

DOING A BACKGROUND CHECK. BUT ALL THE REST OF THE EXTENSIVE

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

REGULATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH STILL APPLY. AND SO I THINK

IT'S A MISTAKE FOR US, BY STATUTE, TO REQUIRE NOTICE THAT INCORRECTLY STATES

THAT THIS DAY CAMP IS NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

REQUIREMENTS WHEN, IN FACT, IT FOLLOWS EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT OF

HEALTH REGULATION EXCEPT THOSE LIMITED EXCEPTIONS THAT APPLY TO

OVERNIGHT CAMPS, WHICH INCLUDE REQUIRING SUNSCREEN AVAILABILITY,

INSECTICIDE, HEALTH CARE STAFF ON -- HEALTH CARE STAFF ON STAFF, IF YOU WILL,

AND BACKGROUND CHECKS.

SO, I'D PREFER IF WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP A STATUTORY

WARNING THAT IT BE ACCURATE AND NOT INACCURATE. FOR THAT REASON, I WILL

NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. MONTESANO.

MR. MONTESANO: MR. SPEAKER, WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD, PLEASE?

MR. ABINANTI: YES, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. MONTESANO: THANK YOU. MR. ABINANTI, JUST

ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY. DO THEY HAVE TO --

WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE AN EMPLOYEE, DO THEY HAVE TO CHECK THAT

AGAINST THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION --

MR. ABINANTI: I -- I THINK THERE'S A MISIMPRESSION

BEING GIVEN HERE. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE UNORGANIZED ACTIVITIES

THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES TO THE PUBLIC AS IF THEY ARE A CAMP BUT, IN FACT,

ARE NOT A CAMP. THEY COULD BE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD WITH A

SWIMMING POOL THAT IS NOT REGULATED. THEY COULD BE DOWN AT THE LOCAL

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PLAYGROUND WHERE THERE'S NO REGULATION BY ANYONE. THERE IS NO

REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE ACTIVITIES TO DO ANY BACKGROUND CHECKS. THAT IS

WHY WE WANT TO PUT OUT THE NOTICE TO WARN PARENTS THAT WHAT YOU'RE

DEALING WITH -- WITH HERE IS AN AD HOC ACTIVITY THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY

ONE, TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WHICH ADVERTISES ITSELF AS A CAMP, BUT WHICH,

IN FACT, IS NOT REALLY A CAMP AND IS NOT REGULATED BY THE HEALTH

DEPARTMENT. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS NOTICE TO THE PARENT. THERE

ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BAN THIS KIND OF

ACTIVITY OR THAT WE SHOULD REGULATE THIS ACTIVITY. ALL WE'RE DOING IS

GIVING CHOICE TO THE PARENTS, SAY, BEWARE: THIS IS NOT AN ORGANIZED

CAMP UNDER THE HEALTH LAW. THIS IS AN AD HOC ACTIVITY WHICH YOU

HAVE A RIGHT TO SEND YOUR KIDS TO, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PAY FOR. BUT JUST

BEWARE, THERE'LL BE NO INSURANCE, THERE WILL BE NO BACKGROUND CHECKS.

THERE WON'T BE ANY REGULATION BY THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. BUYER

BEWARE.

MR. MONTESANO: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 90TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02969-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 69, PEOPLES-STOKES, BARRETT, NIOU, ORTIZ, GALEF, ABINANTI,

LAVINE, COLTON, JEAN-PIERRE, TAYLOR, BYRNE, WEPRIN, SEAWRIGHT,

BARRON, MOSLEY, LUPARDO, ASHBY, REYES, L. ROSENTHAL, VANEL, STIRPE,

D. ROSENTHAL, GRIFFIN, JAFFEE, BUCHWALD, GOTTFRIED, D'URSO,

MAGNARELLI, STERN, HUNTER, JACOBSON, LIPETRI, HEVESI, OTIS, CARROLL,

STECK, SIMON, MIKULIN, PICHARDO, EPSTEIN, ROZIC, WALLACE,

MALLIOTAKIS, BUTTENSCHON, SCHMITT, DINOWITZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

INSURANCE LAW AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, IN RELATION TO PRESCRIPTION

DRUG FORMULARY CHANGES DURING A CONTRACT YEAR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: AN EXPLANATION IS

REQUESTED, MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER. THIS BILL SEEKS TO MAKE SURE THAT INSURERS WILL HONOR THE

CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED INTO WITH PATIENTS FOR THE PRESCRIPTION

FORMULA THEY HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED BY THEIR DOCTOR. AND IT DISCOURAGES

INSURANCE COMPANIES FROM CHANGING THE FORMULA OF THEIR PRESCRIPTIONS

MID-PRESCRIPTION. IT WORKS IN THE INTERESTS OF PROTECTING THE CONSUMER

FROM MULTIPLE DRUGS WHEN THE DOCTOR HAS ONLY PRESCRIBED ONE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GARBARINO.

MR. GARBARINO: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WILL

THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES,

WILL YOU YIELD?

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MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: YES, OF COURSE, MR.

SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. GARBARINO: THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF

QUESTIONS. THIS BILL WOULD -- WOULD EFFECTIVELY STOP HEALTH PLANS FROM

MAKING FORMULARY CHANGES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, POLICY YEAR.

POLICIES CURRENTLY RENEW MONTHLY. WOULD THIS HAVE AN UNINTENDED

CONSEQUENCE OF CREATING 12 DIFFERENT FORMULARIES BECAUSE FOR EACH ONE

FOR EACH MONTH?

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: I BELIEVE THEY ALREADY

HAVE THE DIFFERENT FORMULARIES. AND THE IDEA HERE, MR. GARBARINO, IS

THAT THE PHYSICIAN, YOUR DOCTOR, PROBABLY KNOWS BETTER WHICH

PRESCRIPTION YOU CAN BE ON THAN THE INSURANCE COMPANY DOES.

MR. GARBARINO: OKAY. SO YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE

ANY HIGHER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HERE?

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: I'M SORRY, I -- I NEED YOU

TO SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE LOUDER.

MR. GARBARINO: JUST ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS,

DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY HIGHER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR THE INSURANCE

COMPANIES BECAUSE OF THIS?

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S A

HIGHER ADMINISTRATIVE COST WHEN THEY GO AND ASK THE PATIENT TO TAKE A --

CHANGE THE PRESCRIPTION WHEN THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT.

AND BY THE TIME THEIR DOCTOR WEIGHS IN, THEN THEY'VE ADDED A COST,

THEN, FOR THEMSELVES BY TRYING TO GET SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T

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HAVE DONE. SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT KEEPS THE CONSUMER COSTS DOWN, AND IT

-- IT ALSO HELPS THE CONSUMER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR MEDICATION

MIDSTREAM. OR A MONTH BY MONTH, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO ASSUME THAT

IT'S BEING DONE.

MR. GARBARINO: OKAY. DO YOU THINK THIS BILL

COULD HURT CONSUMERS IN ANY WAY BY -- BY THESE CHANGES TO THE

FORMULARIES BY NOT ALLOWING NEW DRUGS OR --

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: ACTUALLY, I DO NOT THINK

THIS HURTS CONSUMERS AT ALL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS BILL IS SUPPORTED

BY 40 DIFFERENT PATIENT ADVOCACY ORGANIZATIONS - AND PROVIDER

ORGANIZATIONS, BY THE WAY - THAT BELIEVE IT WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY

AND PRESERVE PATIENTS' HEALTH. IT'S -- IT'S IMPORTANT TO A DOCTOR

PRESCRIBING YOU A FORMULA IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD HAVE. THE INSURANCE

COMPANY SHOULD NOT HAVE A ROLE IN DECIDING TO CHANGE THAT FORMULA

MIDSTREAM BY MONTH OR HOWEVER IT IS THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT. SO IT IS A

CONSUMER PROTECTION ITEM AND WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

MR. GARBARINO: OKAY. FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, I

JUST -- THIS BILL WAS AMENDED TO EXCLUDE COLLECTIVELY-BARGAINED BENEFITS

THAT UNIONS USE. WHY WAS THAT -- WHY WAS -- WERE UNIONS EXCLUDED

FROM THIS?

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: INSURERS ARE CLEARLY

TRYING TO DESTRUCT THE BILL BY DRIVING A WEDGE BETWEEN UNIONS AND

COMMERCIAL PLANS. IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK. IT'S DESTRUCTIVE TO THE PATIENTS.

AND, QUITE HONESTLY, THEIR MISSION READS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE PATIENT

INTERESTS FIRST AS OPPOSED TO CREATING, I WOULD SAY, RED HERRINGS AND

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CHAOS AND CRISIS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S IN THE BEST

INTERESTS OF THE PATIENTS.

MR. GARBARINO: OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST --

DOESN'T DFS ALREADY REGULATE HOW OFTEN A PLAN MAY UPDATE ITS

FORMULARIES IN THE YEAR? I THINK IT'S SIX RIGHT NOW? THEY CAN ONLY DO IT

UP TO SIX TIMES?

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: YES.

MR. GARBARINO: SO SINCE THERE'S A LIMIT, WHY IS

THERE -- DOES THE SIX SEEM TOO MUCH TO YOU, OR IS IT JUST -- YOU KNOW,

WHY CHANGE IT FROM WHAT DFS ALREADY REGULATES?

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: SOME PEOPLE ARE

CHOOSING THEIR PLANS ON A SIX-MONTH PLAN AND -- AND THEY, QUITE

FRANKLY, PAY FOR IT LIKE THAT. SO THERE SHOULD BE NO CHANGES IN THEIR

PLAN UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE AGREED WITH.

MR. GARBARINO: OKAY. THANK YOU.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 60TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

COULD PLEASE CALL THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S

CONFERENCE ROOM.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: EDUCATION

COMMITTEE, SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM. MR. BENEDETTO IS ON HIS

WAY. THANK YOU.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03168, RULES REPORT

NO. 71, ORTIZ, WEPRIN, BLAKE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE BANKING LAW, IN

RELATION TO REQUIRING POSTING NOTICE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL

SERVICES TOLL-FREE CONSUMER'S HOTLINE TELEPHONE NUMBER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: AN EXPLANATION IS

REQUESTED.

BUT ON A MOTION BY MR. ORTIZ, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE

THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

PROCEED.

MR. ORTIZ: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THIS BILL

AMENDS THE BANKING LAW REQUIRING BANKING INSTITUTIONS POST THE NEW

YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE SERVICES' TOLL-FREE TELEPHONE

CONSUMER HOTLINE TELEPHONE NUMBER IN THEIR BANK INSTITUTION.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

SPEAKER. WOULD THE SPONSOR YIELD?

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MR. ORTIZ: ABSOLUTELY, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. ORTIZ YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. ORTIZ. THIS

REQUIREMENT FOR -- TO BE CONSPICUOUSLY POSTED, THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY

TO NEW YORK STATE-CHARTERED BANKS?

MR. ORTIZ: YES.

MR. GOODELL: AND SO IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO ANY

FEDERALLY-CHARTERED BANKS?

MR. ORTIZ: NO, SIR.

MR. GOODELL: AND DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW

MANY OF THE BANKS IN NEW YORK ARE STATE-CHARTERED AS OPPOSED TO

FEDERALLY-CHARTERED?

MR. ORTIZ: I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER, BUT I DO

BELIEVE THAT NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE MAY HAVE THOSE

NUMBERS.

MR. GOODELL: OF COURSE THERE IS SOME CONCERN BY

THE NEW YORK-CHARTERED BANKS THAT THEY ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO

DIFFERENT REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAN THEIR COMPETITORS THAT ARE

FEDERALLY CHARTERED, IN PARTICULAR A CONCERN THAT IF THEY HAVE TO

CONSPICUOUSLY POST ALL THESE HOTLINES FOR CONSUMER COMPLAINTS AND

THEIR COMPETITORS DON'T, THAT THERE WILL BE A MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE

SENSE THAT THE STATE-CHARTERED BANKS AREN'T AS SAFE OR A CUSTOMER

SERVICE-ORIENTED AS THEIR FEDERALLY-CHARTERED COUNTERPARTS. WHAT IS

YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT?

MR. ORTIZ: WELL, I THINK -- I THINK YOU BRING A VERY

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IMPORTANT POINT, AND IF -- I THINK THAT WE, AS THE STATE, HAVE A

RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL WITH OUR STATE INSTITUTIONS. I ALSO DO BELIEVE THAT

THE -- IF IT'S -- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FINALLY CAN GET THEIR SELF TOGETHER

AND DO SOMETHING RIGHT, THEY WILL BE ABLE PROBABLY TO COME OUT WITH A

PIECE OF LEGISLATION AS WELL TO MANDATE THAT WE TAKE -- THE FEDERAL-

REGULATED BANK WILL HAVE A TOLL-FREE NUMBER. AND THIS TOLL-FREE NUMBER

WILL BE VERY HELPFUL TO BE DISPLAYED IN EVERY BANK AS A RESULT THAT MANY

PEOPLE DOESN'T HAVE COMPUTERS AT HOME, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ANY

WEBSITE, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE -- THE NUMBER WILL APPEAR IN THE

WEBSITE. BUT HAVING SOMETHING VISIBLE, COMPLETELY VISIBLE ONCE YOU

WALK INTO THE BANK THAT WILL SPECIFICALLY TELL YOU IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM

AND THE BANK CANNOT SOLVE THAT PROBLEM YOU CAN CALL THIS NUMBER. I

THINK THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT KIND OF FACILITY TO THE CONSUMERS, THAT

WILL BE SOMETHING THAT I WILL APPLAUD. I USED TO WORK IN A BANK, AND I

USED TO BE A TELLER AND A HEAD TELLER, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS WILL

BENEFIT ALL THE PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

MR. ORTIZ: THANK YOU.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 120TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF WE CAN

CONTINUE OUR WORK HERE ON RULES REPORT NO. 98 BY MRS. GUNTHER. IT'S

ON PAGE SIX. RULES REPORT NO. 109 BY MR. GOTTFRIED. IT'S ON PAGE

SEVEN. AND RULES REPORT NO. 121 BY MR. HEVESI. IT'S ON PAGE EIGHT.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: SENATE NO. S06041-A, RULES REPORT

NO. 98, SENATOR MAY (A02037-A, GUNTHER, NORRIS). AN ACT DIRECTING

THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO STUDY THE FEASIBILITY OF A

MUNICIPAL BROADBAND PROGRAM WITHIN THE STATE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MRS. GUNTHER, AN

EXPLANATION IS REQUESTED.

MRS. GUNTHER: THIS BILL WOULD DIRECT THE

DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO STUDY THE FEASIBILITY OF A MUNICIPAL

BROADBAND PROGRAM WITHIN OUR STATE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MRS. GUNTHER, WILL

YOU YIELD?

MRS. GUNTHER: YES.

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ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MRS. GUNTHER YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MRS. GUNTHER. AS YOU

KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO, IN 2015, GOVERNOR CUOMO ESTABLISHED A HALF-A-

BILLION-DOLLAR PROGRAM TO EXPAND BROADBAND ACCESS. IS IT YOUR VIEW

THAT PROGRAM WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL?

MRS. GUNTHER: THIS -- THAT PROGRAM IS DIFFERENT

THAN THIS ONE. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PROGRAM, ABSOLUTELY

NOTHING. THE REASON THAT I SPONSORED THIS BILL AND THOUGHT IT WAS

IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO

PRIVATELY-OWNED SERVICE -- INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS AND WE ALL KNOW

THEIR NAMES AND IN RETURN FOR PROMISES, A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES DO NOT

HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, OR IF THEY HAVE DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE

INTERNET IT'S SLOW AND THEY ARE NOT, I THINK, FULFILLING THE PROMISES

MADE.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, OF COURSE, WHEN THE

GOVERNOR WITH GREAT FANFARE ANNOUNCED HIS PROGRAM IN 2015 AND

PROMISED TO INVEST A HALF-A-BILLION DOLLARS ON BROADBAND EXPANSION,

AND HE -- HE TOOK GREAT PRIDE, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, THAT WAS THE LARGEST

PROGRAM OF ANY STATE IN THE NATION AT THAT TIME. IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT IT

WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN EXPANDING BROADBAND ACCESS?

MRS. GUNTHER: ONE IS -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S A

PRIVATE BUSINESS. ALL I WOULD SAY IS THAT IN MY COMMUNITY, MANY

AREAS, ESPECIALLY BY THE DELAWARE RIVER, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO INTERNET

SERVICE, AND ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER. AND I

REALLY THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM AND THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ENHANCE

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INTERNET SERVICE FOR PEOPLE IN VERY RURAL AREAS AND THEIR CHILDREN WHO AT

THIS POINT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. AND IF THEY DO HAVE ACCESS, IT'S

USUALLY ON AND OFF AND VERY DIFFICULT TO DOWNLOAD ANY KIND OF -- ANY

KIND OF INFORMATION. I KNOW, BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS.

MR. GOODELL: NOW, THIS BILL ITSELF, THOUGH,

DOESN'T EXPAND BROADBAND ACCESS AT ALL OR PROVIDE ANY FUNDING,

CORRECT? IT'S JUST A STUDY.

MRS. GUNTHER: IT'S A -- IT'S A -- IT'S A STUDY.

MR. GOODELL: AND THE STUDY IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF

DETERMINING THE FEASIBILITY OF GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY OWNING, OPERATING

AND MAINTAINING INTERNET SERVICE?

MRS. GUNTHER: YES. YES, IT IS

MR. GOODELL: AND, OF COURSE, THE IDEA IS THAT

GOVERNMENT WOULD OPERATE -- OWN, OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE SERVICE IN

AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT PROFITABLE FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO SO.

MRS. GUNTHER: YEAH, I MEAN, THIS -- THIS -- WE

DIDN'T INVENT THIS, WE ARE -- WE'RE -- AND WE DON'T WANT TO REINVENT THE

WHEEL, AND THEY'RE DOING THIS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY NOW.

AND I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF THE PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT, THIS

WOULD BE IMPORT -- THIS STUDY WOULD BE IMPORTANT, AND IT PERHAPS

WOULD BRING THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES

THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AT THIS MOMENT.

MR. GOODELL: AND WOULD YOU ENVISION THAT THIS

GOVERNMENT-OWNED, OPERATED AND MAINTAINED SYSTEM WOULD BE PAID

FOR ENTIRELY BY THE CONSUMERS IN THAT SERVICE AREA, OR WOULD YOU

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ENVISION THAT IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE ON ALL THE TAXPAYERS?

MRS. GUNTHER: WELL, I'M ACTUALLY DOING THIS

STUDY TO FIGURE OUT THINGS LIKE THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF DOING MUNICIPAL

SERVICE AND I - I THINK, AGAIN, THAT MAYBE WE COULD DRIVE DOWN THE COST

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

MR. GOODELL: AND DOES THE STUDY ALSO EVALUATE

THE FEASIBILITY OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES LIKE DIRECT SATELLITE ACCESS OR

WIRELESS SERVICE?

MRS. GUNTHER: JUST MUNICIPAL BROADBAND. NO,

NOT THE OTHERS.

MR. GOODELL: I SEE.

MRS. GUNTHER: NO. PLUS THE FACT -- I'M NOT GOING

TO SAY ANYTHING, UP HERE WE HAVE DIRECTTV AND MY SHOWS AREN'T ON

THERE.

(LAUGHTER)

MR. GOODELL: GOTCHA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

YOUR COMMENTS.

MRS. GUNTHER: THANK YOU.

MR. GOODELL: MR. SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, MR.

GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I -- I

CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE SPONSOR'S DESIRE TO EXPAND BROADBAND ACCESS

INTO ALL PARTS OF OUR STATE. AS YOU KNOW AND HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, THE

GOVERNOR MADE THIS A MAJOR INITIATIVE FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN HE

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COMMITTED A HALF-A-BILLION DOLLARS TO EXPAND BROADBAND ACCESS

THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE. AND THIS BILL GOES ON TO SAY WELL, THERE

ARE STILL AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE BROADBAND ACCESS, AND SO WE SHOULD

MOVE FORWARD IN EVOLVING -- EVALUATING AND DEVELOPING A GOVERNMENT-

OWNED BROADBAND SERVICE THAT WOULD PRESUMABLY COMPETE WITH THE

PRIVATE SECTOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT-OPERATED SYSTEM

WOULD FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS THAT ARE INHERENTLY UNPROFITABLE WHICH IS

ANOTHER WAY OF ENSURING THAT THE SYSTEM WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY ALL THE

TAXPAYERS. AND BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF CREATING A

GOVERNMENT-OPERATED SYSTEM TO COMPETE WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR,

SUPPORTED BY TAXPAYERS ACROSS THE STATE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR

US TO EVALUATE THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF THE GOVERNOR'S INITIATIVE, WHY IT

WAS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT SUCCESSFUL, AND LOOK TO TWEAK THAT PROGRAM SO

THAT WE DON'T CREATE MORE WAYS TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY IN

COMPETITION WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

FOR THAT REASON AND OTHERS, I SUSPECT MANY OF OUR

COLLEAGUES WILL HAVE CONCERNS OVER THIS BILL. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER,

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE SPONSOR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JUNE 17, 2019

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

COULD PLEASE CALL THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE

ROOM. JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. MR. DINOWITZ IS ON HIS WAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. DINOWITZ HAS

CALLED A JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. PLEASE PROCEED TO THE SPEAKER'S

CONFERENCE ROOM.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03059, RULES REPORT

NO. 109, GOTTFRIED. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW AND THE

INSURANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO UTILIZATION REVIEW OF COVERAGE OF NURSING

HOME CARE FOLLOWING AN INPATIENT HOSPITAL ADMISSION.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: AN EXPLANATION IS

REQUESTED. WE NEED SOME QUIET SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THE EXPLANATION.

MR. GOTTFRIED: YES, MR. SPEAKER. CURRENT

INSURANCE LAW CALLS FOR EXPEDITED UTILIZATION REVIEW OF CERTAIN SERVICES

WHEN SOMEONE IS BEING DISCHARGED FROM A HOSPITAL, SUCH AS HOME

HEALTH CARE. THIS ADDS NURSING HOME CARE TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT

REQUIRE EXPEDITED REVIEW SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T SPEND UNNECESSARY DAYS

USING UP A HOSPITAL BED AT CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE EITHER TO THEM OR THEIR

INSURANCE COMPANY OR THE HOSPITAL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ONE MINUTE.

ON A MOTION BY MR. GOTTFRIED, THE SENATE BILL IS

BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS ADVANCED.

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MR. RA.

MR. RA: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD THE

SPONSOR YIELD?

MR. GOTTFRIED: YES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WILL YOU YIELD, MR.

GOTTFRIED?

MR. GOTTFRIED: YES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOTTFRIED YIELDS.

MR. RA: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. SO JUST A FEW

QUESTIONS ON THIS. OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS BEING EXTENDED, THIS

IS UTILIZED IN OTHER AREAS WITHIN HEALTH CARE, THAT THERE IS A BASICALLY,

YOU KNOW, A -- A PRESUMPTION DURING THAT REVIEW, CORRECT?

MR. GOTTFRIED: WELL NO, THERE'S NO PRESUMPTION.

MR. RA: OR A --

MR. GOTTFRIED: THERE IS A TIMETABLE.

MR. RA: A TIMETABLE.

MR. GOTTFRIED: IT JUST SAYS MAKE A DECISION,

DON'T MAKE THE PERSON LIE THERE USING UP A HOSPITAL BED.

MR. RA: OKAY.

MR. GOTTFRIED: IF THEY DON'T NEED TO.

MR. RA: OKAY. SO, THE -- THE CURRENT LAW, THOUGH, IS

-- IS THREE DAYS FOLLOWING THE INPATIENT HOSPITAL STAY. THIS WILL MAKE

THAT ONE DAY, CORRECT?

MR. GOTTFRIED: YES.

MR. RA: OKAY. AND DOES -- DOES THAT, THOUGH, NOT

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CREATE A SITUATION WHERE -- YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE UTILIZATION

REVIEW IS TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT -- WHAT THE MEDICAL NEEDS OF

THE PATIENT ARE, CORRECT? WHETHER -- WHETHER THEY -- IT WOULD BE

APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO GO TO A NURSING HOME OR -- OR SOME OTHER TYPE

OF FACILITY OR HOME, CORRECT?

MR. GOTTFRIED: THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE,

YES.

MR. RA: OKAY. WELL, I ASSUME YOU DON'T BELIEVE

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, GIVEN THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THIS BILL FORWARD TO -- TO

SHORTEN THAT TIMEFRAME.

MR. GOTTFRIED: WELL, I GUESS EXPERIENCE TEACHES

THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES THINK THAT THEIR DUTY IS TO THEIR STOCKHOLDERS

MORE THAN TO THE PATIENT. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ASSUMPTION. CERTAINLY,

I'VE -- I'VE NEVER SEEN EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE

I'M CYNICAL.

MR. RA: BUT -- BUT UNDER -- UNDER THIS, YOU KNOW,

THE PATIENT WOULD THEN GO TO THE NURSING HOME -- I MEAN, PRESUMABLY,

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DAY TO MAKE -- MAKE THE REVIEW.

COULD THAT NOT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE -- CAUSE A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW,

IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION QUICK -- QUICKLY, COULD THAT NOT HAVE

SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AS OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH THE

COMPLETE UTILIZATION REVIEW? I MEAN, I -- I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH --

MR. GOTTFRIED: WELL, THE UTILIZA -- THERE WILL BE

COMPLETE UTILIZATION REVIEW. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THESE CASES ARE

PUT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE OR THE TOP OF THE PILE. AND I THINK IF

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YOU'VE EVER HAD A -- A FAMILY MEMBER OR -- OR SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU

WHO WAS IN THIS SITUATION, YOU'D REGARD BEING IN AN EXPEDITED SITUATION

AS BEING PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME KINDS OF

HEALTH CARE WHERE YOU MIGHT WORRY THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE RUSHING

TO USE IT WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY NEED IT. SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,

MIGHT -- MIGHT WELCOME THE ATTENTION OF PHYSICAL THERAPY OR -- OR

SOMETHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HEARD OF

ANYBODY WHO WAS EAGER TO MAKE UNNECESSARY USE OF A NURSING HOME.

MR. RA: WELL, I -- I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S

NECESSARILY WHAT -- WHAT THE CONCERN IS HERE, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW,

IT BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO COVER IT WHILE

THAT UTILIZATION REVIEW IS STILL PENDING UNDER -- UNDER THIS. SO I THINK

THE CONCERN THERE IS -- IS THAT BEFORE THERE HAS NECESSARILY BEEN A

DETERMINATION OF MEDICAL NECESSITY, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO

COVER THE PATIENT BEING -- BEING PUT INTO THE NURSING HOME FACILITY.

MR. GOTTFRIED: WELL, NO, IT'S NOT BEFORE THERE'S

BEEN A DETERMINATION. THE DETERMINATION DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG TO

MAKE. WHAT TAKES A LONG TIME IS DECIDING TO OPEN THE FOLDER AND PAY

ATTENTION TO IT. THAT'S WHAT TAKES TIME, AND WE'RE SAYING DO THAT

QUICKER, MOVE IT UP IN THE PILE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY IN A

HOSPITAL BED WHO'S REALLY IN BAD SHAPE AND NEEDS -- THE HOSPITAL NEEDS

THEM NOT TO BE WASTING A HOSPITAL BED, WHICH IS A PRECIOUS COMMODITY,

AND THEY REALLY NEED TO BE IN A NURSING HOME. IT'S NOT ALL THAT

COMPLICATED. AND I THINK WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS WHO DO YOU TRUST

AND WHOSE INTEREST YOU CARE MORE ABOUT. AND THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

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SOME PEOPLE HAVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION DIFFERENTLY. I WOULD ANSWER

IT THE WAY THIS BILL DOES. I SUSPECT IF YOU ASKED A THOUSAND OF YOUR

CONSTITUENTS, YOU'D PROBABLY FIND THAT ABOUT 900 OF THEM WOULD ALSO

WANT TO ANSWER IT THE WAY THE BILL ANSWERS IT.

MR. RA: AND -- AND I -- I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS

HAS, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH UNANIMOUSLY IN THE PAST AND PERHAPS IT

WILL AGAIN. I -- I WILL TELL YOU THAT I -- I DO PLAN TO SUPPORT THE BILL, BUT

I'M JUST -- I -- I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, REALLY, DICK.

MR. GOTTFRIED: OKAY.

MR. RA: SO, UNDER A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE A, YOU

KNOW, WHERE -- WHERE THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE A DETERMINATION, YOU

KNOW, AND MAYBE IT'S A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GONE

AND -- AND PROCESSED IT COMPLETELY, AND THEY MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT

IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE -- IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO SEND A PERSON

TO THE NURSING HOME AND -- AND MAYBE THE PERSON HAS BEEN THERE AT THE

NURSING HOME FOR A DAY OR TWO. WHAT -- WHAT WOULD OCCUR UNDER --

UNDER THIS?

MR. GOTTFRIED: WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY

WOULD GO TO THE NURSING HOME IF INSURANCE HADN'T AGREED TO PAY FOR IT.

BUT IF THEY WENT TO THE NURSING HOME AND IT THEN TURNED OUT THE

INSURANCE COMPANY WASN'T GOING PAY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS PROBABLY

WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THEY HAD GOTTEN THAT ANSWER BEFORE THEY

WENT TO THE NURSING HOME, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY THEY CAN FIND SOMEBODY

ELSE'S HOME TO GO TO, WHETHER IT'S THEIR OWN OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S. BUT

THEY WOULD BE IN THAT DIFFICULTY WHETHER THEY SIMPLY LEFT THE HOSPITAL

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AND WENT WHO KNOWS WHERE, OR IF THEY WENT FIRST TO THE NURSING HOME

AND THEN WENT WHO KNOWS WHERE.

MR. RA: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. GOTTFRIED: YOU'RE WELCOME.

MR. RA: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THANK YOU, SIR.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 90TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A04256-A, RULES

REPORT NO. 121, HEVESI, BARRON, AUBRY. AN ACT TO AMEND THE SOCIAL

SERVICES LAW, IN RELATION TO ANY UNEARNED INCOME OF A CHILD IN CERTAIN

CIRCUMSTANCES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

HEVESI, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

EXPLANATION IS REQUESTED, MR. HEVESI.

MR. HEVESI: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THIS BILL IS

INTENDED TO DEAL WITH A SPECIFIC PROBLEM THAT IS ARISING IN PUBLIC

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ASSISTANCE CASES TOO OFTEN. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ARE A CHILD WHO HAS LOST

THEIR PARENT EITHER TO A FATALITY OR THE PARENT IS ABSENT FOR SOME REASON,

THE PARENT [SIC] WILL NOW GO AND LIVE WITH THE GRANDMOTHER AND THE

INCOME OF THE GRANDMOTHER WILL BE COUNTED FOR THE PUBLIC ASSISTANCE

GRANT, WHICH MAKES SENSE. THE PROBLEM ARISES IF THE GRANDMOTHER THEN

TAKES IN THE HALF-SIBLING OF THE FIRST CHILD. THE UNEARNED INCOME FROM

THE SECOND CHILD, THE HALF-SIBLING, THEY RECEIVE EITHER A DEATH BENEFIT IF

THEIR PARENT DIED, OR CHILD -- CHILDCARE -- CHILD SUPPORT OR DISABILITY

ASSISTANCE. UNDER CURRENT LAW, THE UNEARNED INCOME OF THE SECOND

CHILD, THE HALF-SIBLING, WILL NOW BE COUNTED FOR THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME.

AND THE RESULT IS, THE FIRST CHILD AND THE GRANDMOTHER ARE FREQUENTLY

KICKED OFF OF PUBLIC ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE

UNEARNED INCOME FROM THE SECOND CHILD, THAT INCREASES THE THRESHOLD,

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE FAMILY TAKES IN AND KICKS THEM OFF PUBLIC

ASSISTANCE. SO WHAT ESSENTIALLY IS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE WE'RE COUNTING

THE UNEARNED INCOME OF THE SECOND CHILD, THE FIRST CHILD IS BEING HURT.

AND I CAN GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE IF IT ILLUMINATES THE POINT. IF A

MOM HAS A CHILD FROM TWO DIFFERENT FATHERS, THE FIRST FATHER IS A

DEADBEAT DAD, OKAY? CAN'T -- DOESN'T PAY HIS CHILD SUPPORT. THE

SECOND FA -- I'M SORRY -- THE SECOND FATHER PAYS HIS CHILD SUPPORT.

WHEN THE SECOND CHILD COMES TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSEHOLD, OKAY, THE

UNEARNED INCOME OF THE SECOND CHILD, THE CHILD SUPPORT, WILL NOW BE

CALCULATED AS PART OF THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME, AGAIN, RAISING IT -- THE

HOUSEHOLD INCOME ABOVE THE THRESHOLD FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. SO WE

ARE PENALIZING THE FIRST KID. IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT IT

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HAPPENS A LOT. FOR CONTEXT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALLOWS STATES TO

DECIDE WHETHER TO COUNT THIS UNEARNED INCOME. PRIOR TO 2004, NEW

YORK STATE DIDN'T COUNT THE UNEARNED INCOME. SINCE 2004 WE HAVE

BEEN COUNTING IT, AND THE RESULT IS KIDS ARE BEING HURT AND FAMILIES ARE

BEING KICKED OFF OF PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. SO WHAT THIS BILL DOES, VERY

SPECIFICALLY, IT ALLOWS THE SOCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT TO NOT CALCULATE THE

UNEARNED INCOME OF THE SECOND KID TOWARDS THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD?

MR. HEVESI: YES, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WILL YOU YIELD, MR.

HEVESI?

MR. HEVESI: IT'S MY PLEASURE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. HEVESI YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: AS YOU KNOW, IN CALCULATING THE

AMOUNT OF BENEFITS A FAMILY RECEIVES, THEY ALSO ARE -- THE BENEFIT LEVEL

IS ALSO BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD. SO, OF COURSE,

A FAMILY OF FOUR GETS MORE BENEFITS, AND SHOULD, THAN A FAMILY OF THREE.

MR. HEVESI: THAT'S CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: IF -- IF THE CHILD'S UNEARNED INCOME

IS EXCLUDED, ARE THEY ALSO EXCLUDED FROM THE CALCULATION OF THE

BENEFITS?

MR. HEVESI: YES.

MR. GOODELL: SO, IF IT -- AS AN EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A

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HOUSEHOLD OF THREE AND ONE OF THE CHILDREN IS GETTING SUBSTANTIAL

UNEARNED INCOME, THEN THAT CHILD IS EXCLUDED FROM THE CALCULATION OF

THE AMOUNT OF BENEFITS THE REMAINING HOUSEHOLD WOULD GET? IT WOULD

BE CALCULATED ON THE BASIS OF A HOUSEHOLD OF TWO?

MR. HEVESI: YES.

MR. GOODELL: AND THAT, OF COURSE, THEN REDUCES

THE BENEFIT TO THE REMAINING HOUSEHOLD IN THAT CASE BY ONE-THIRD.

MR. HEVESI: IT DOES, BUT THE ALTERNATIVE IS YOU

COUNT THE UNEARNED INCOME AND THE KIDS GET KICKED OFF OF PUBLIC

ASSISTANCE.

MR. GOODELL: NOW, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT

UNEARNED INCOME FROM MINOR CHILDREN?

MR. HEVESI: YES.

MR. GOODELL: AND IS THAT INCOME THEN INCOME

THAT'S GIVEN TO THE PARENT, THE CUSTODIAL PARENT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE

DON'T SEND UNEARNED INCOME TO A 10 YEAR-OLD OR A 14 YEAR-OLD, WE SEND

IT --

MR. HEVESI: YEAH.

MR. GOODELL: -- TO THE PARENT, CORRECT?

MR. HEVESI: THAT IS CORRECT. BUT WE -- PART OF THE

LOGIC OF THIS BILL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNEARNED INCOME OF THE

SECOND CHILD IS USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. SO CHILD SUPPORT, WE

WANT THAT TO BE USED FOR CHILD SUPPORT FOR THE SECOND CHILD, NOT TO PAY

THE RENT OF THE HOUSEHOLD. SAME THING WITH A DISABILITY BENEFIT. IF THE

SECOND CHILD IS DISABLED, WE WANT THOSE DISABLE -- DISABILITY BENEFITS TO

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BE USED TO HELP THE CHILD WITH THE DISABILITY, NOT TO GO TO OTHER COSTS

THAT THE HOUSEHOLD MIGHT INCUR.

MR. GOODELL: BUT THERE'S NO OBLIGATION IN THIS

BILL, CERTAINLY, THAT THAT UN -- UNEARNED INCOME BE PLACED IN A TRUST FOR

THE SOLE BENEFIT OF THAT CHILD?

MR. HEVESI: NO, NO. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE

GOING, BUT NO.

MR. GOODELL: I SEE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

MR. HEVESI: THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. GOODELL: ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, SIR.

MR. GOODELL: SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU

MAY HAVE A FAMILY, AS EXPLAINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, AND LET'S SAY THERE'S

TWO KIDS. A SINGLE PARENT, TWO CHILDREN. AND ONE OF THE TWO CHILDREN

FOR WHATEVER REASON HAS UNEARNED INCOME, AND IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.

IT COULD BE CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS, AS MENTIONED BY MY COLLEAGUE. IT

COULD BE A -- A SETTLEMENT OF SOME SORT. IT COULD BE INVESTMENTS THAT

THEY INHERITED FROM A DECEASED PARENT. BUT THE INCOME COULD BE

SUBSTANTIAL. AND THE QUESTION THEN IS, WHERE DOES THAT INCOME GO?

INCOME IS NOT PAID INTO A TRUST DEDICATED TO THE SOLE CARE AND CUSTODY

OF THAT CHILD WHO IS GETTING THE UNEARNED INCOME. THE INCOME DOESN'T

GO TO THE MINOR CHILD. ALL OF THAT UNEARNED INCOME GOES TO THE HEAD OF

THE HOUSEHOLD. SO THEN THE QUESTION FACING US ON THIS BILL IS IF THE HEAD

OF THE HOUSEHOLD IS GETTING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF UNEARNED INCOME

ATTRIBUTABLE TO ONE OF THE CHILDREN, SHOULD THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD BE

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ABLE TO KEEP ALL THAT MONEY AND USE IT WITHOUT RESTRICTION AND RECEIVE A

HIGHER SUBSIDY FROM THE STATE TAXPAYERS, OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE PAYING

TAXES? OR SHOULD WE REASONABLY EX -- AND I APOLOGIZE -- SHOULD WE

EXPECT THAT THAT INCOME THAT'S GOING TO THE PARENT BE USED TO OFFSET THE

EXPENSES OF THE HOUSEHOLD, AS WE WOULD EXPECT EARNED INCOME TO ALSO

BE USED? NOW KEEP IN MIND, THIS BILL ONLY APPLIES TO UNEARNED

INCOME. SO IF YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD WHO ARE EARNING

INCOME, WE EXPECT THAT THE EARNED INCOME BE PART OF THE HOUSEHOLD

ASSETS. THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO

HAVE SOMEBODY MAKING A LOT OF MONEY AND THE STATE TAXPAYERS, LOCAL

TAXPAYERS, ARE STILL SUBSIDIZING THAT FAMILY. SO OUR OBJECTIVE, IT SEEMS,

OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO ARE ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE HAVE THE

RESOURCES THEY NEED, CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE

DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED, AND THEY'RE NEITHER BELOW THAT STANDARD

NOR MAKING MORE THAN THAT STANDARD. AND RECOGNIZING THAT THE COST OF

OUR SOCIAL SERVICES PROGRAMS IS THE LARGEST SINGLE SOURCE OF UNFUNDED

STATE MANDATES ON THE LOCAL LEVEL, OFTEN ACCOUNTING FOR MORE THAN 50

PERCENT OR 60 PERCENT OF THE TAX BURDEN, WE ALSO HAVE THAT OBLIGATION TO

MINIMIZE THE TAX BURDEN ON OUR FRIENDS AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND

EVERYONE ELSE IN NEW YORK. AND SO I THINK THE CURRENT SYSTEM, WHICH

RECOGNIZES THAT THERE CAN BE SUBSTANTIAL UNEARNED INCOME AND

RECOGNIZES THAT THAT UNEARNED INCOME NOW IS ALREADY PAID TO THE HEAD

OF HOUSEHOLD, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO INCLUDE IT IN CALCULATING HOW

MUCH ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE WE SHOULD EXPECT THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS TO

PROVIDE.

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THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 180TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

COULD PLEASE CALL THE LABOR COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE

ROOM.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: CERTAINLY. LABOR

COMMITTEE, SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM IMMEDIATELY.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: AND IF WE CAN CONTINUE

ON DEBATE --

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. CRESPO IS ON HIS

WAY.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: -- MR. SPEAKER, WE'RE

GOING TO CALENDAR NO. 308. IT'S ON PAGE 58 BY MS. LIFTON. WE'RE

GOING TO FOLLOW THAT WITH CALENDAR NO. 293 BY MR. HEVESI ON PAGE 57.

AND LASTLY, CALENDAR NO. 176 BY MS. SIMOTAS. IT'S ON PAGE 49 -- 48.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL READ.

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THE CLERK: SENATE NO. S05069, CALENDAR NO.

308, SENATOR PARKER (A07125, LIFTON, COLTON.) AN ACT TO AMEND

CHAPTER 403 OF THE LAWS OF 2018, DIRECTING THE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL

SERVICE COMMISSION TO STUDY AND PUBLISH A REPORT EVALUATING WAGE

DISPARITIES AMONG PUBLIC EMPLOYERS, IN RELATION TO DIRECTING THE

DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL SERVICE TO STUDY AND PUBLISH SUCH REPORT

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: AN EXPLANATION IS

REQUESTED, MS. LIFTON.

MS. LIFTON: THIS BILL SIMPLY OFFERS SMALL

AMENDMENTS, TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS, TO LAST YEAR'S PAY EQUITY BILL THAT

ESTABLISHES A PUBLIC STUDY ON COMPARABLE WORTH WITHIN THE PUBLIC

SECTOR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. RA.

MR. RA: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. LIFTON, WILL YOU

YIELD?

MS. LIFTON: I'M HAPPY TO, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. RA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, AS YOU -- AS YOU

STATED, THIS IS A BILL THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, DO A -- A STUDY AMONGST

CIVIL SERVICE TITLES. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY --

MS. LIFTON: WELL, WE -- WE DID THE STUDY BILL LAST

YEAR. THIS JUST SIMPLY FLESHES IT OUT, OFFERS SOME MORE DETAILS ABOUT

HOW THAT STUDY WOULD HAPPEN.

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MR. RA: OKAY. SO IS THAT STUDY ALREADY UNDERWAY,

OR ARE THEY DEVELOPING THIS?

MS. LIFTON: YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, IT MAY BE...

(PAUSE)

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STUDY HAS STARTED, BUT

THIS BILL -- BILL DOES EXTEND THE TIME AVAILABLE FOR THE STUDY TO THREE

YEARS.

MR. RA: OKAY, AND --

MS. LIFTON: IT STARTED AT ONE YEAR, SO WE'RE GIVING

THEM MORE TIME. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PINCH ON TIME AND

WE'RE ALLOWING THAT IN THIS AMENDMENT.

MR. RA: YES. SO -- SO THAT WAS -- THAT WAS ONE OF

MY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I KNOW THE BILL SAYS IT TAKES EFFECT IMMEDIATELY

BUT THEN IT SAYS IT SHALL BE DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN IN FULL EFFECT AS OF THE

EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE PREVIOUS BILL. SO IT WOULD BE THREE YEARS FROM THE

EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE PREVIOUS --

MS. LIFTON: CORRECT.

MR. RA: -- PIECE OF LEGISLATION, CORRECT?

MS. LIFTON: CORRECT.

MR. RA: OKAY. AND -- AND I -- AND I THINK THAT'S

CERTAINLY A GOOD THING, AS I -- I ACTUALLY READ THE TRANSCRIPT FROM LAST

YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED IS WHEN YOU'RE

LOOKING AT OUR CIVIL SERVICE TITLES IN OUR STATE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOTS

OF DIFFERENT TITLES AND -- AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE

CONSIDERED WITH EACH OF THOSE TITLES. AND WE HAVE TO DEVELOP, I

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ASSUME, SOME TYPE OF METHODOLOGY TO EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, THE -- THE

ITEMS THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO EVALUATE IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE ARE

WAGE DISPARITIES, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS GETTING AT. SO, YOU KNOW, IS --

MS. LIFTON: WITHIN -- WITHIN SEGREGATED --

MR. RA: YES.

MS. LIFTON: -- AREA -- IN JOB TITLES WHERE THERE'S

SEGREGATION.

MR. RA: YES. SO HAVE -- HAVE THEY BEGUN IN

BEGINNING TO DO THIS TO -- TO DEVELOP THE METHODOLOGY? I KNOW THAT

WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED LAST YEAR. THERE ARE OTHER

STATES, I BELIEVE, WHO HAVE DONE SOME THINGS OF THIS NATURE BEFORE. BUT

IS -- IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ONGOING, DO THEY NEED MORE CLARIFICATION --

MS. LIFTON: WELL, AGAIN, THIS BILL SAYS THAT IT'S UP

TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THEIR METHODOLOGY. BUT

LET ME CHECK ON WHERE THEY ARE ON THAT -- ON THAT.

(PAUSE)

OKAY. YEAH, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHERE THEY ARE, BUT THEY

HAVE AUTHORITY OVER -- THEY HAVE DISCRETION OVER THE USE OF THE

METHODOLOGY.

MR. RA: OKAY. AND --

MS. LIFTON: UNDERSTANDING THAT THE METHODOLOGY

HAS TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT.

MR. RA: OKAY. AND -- AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING

TO APPLY TO TITLES ALL ACROSS FROM STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, CORRECT?

MS. LIFTON: YES, CORRECT.

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MR. RA: SO THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WILL

PRESUMABLY BE PROVIDING DATA THAT --

MS. LIFTON: YES.

MR. RA: -- WOULD BE REQUESTED BASED ON THIS

METHODOLOGY AND --

MS. LIFTON: THAT'S -- THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S GETTING

FLESHED OUT HERE.

MR. RA: OKAY.

MS. LIFTON: FLESHED OUT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT LOCAL

GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO RESPOND TO THIS STUDY, HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE

PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION AND OFFER THE AVAILABLE DATA

IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EMPLOYEES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

MR. RA: OKAY. AND -- AND LASTLY -- AND -- AND

MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO

DETERMINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE TITLES -- YOU KNOW, I MEAN,

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A GRID, HOW PEOPLE ARE PAID AND IT'S BASED ON A NUMBER,

YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE IN THE TITLES AND --AND -- AND HOW MUCH

SENIORITY THEY -- THEY MAY HAVE, AND OFTENTIMES THAT MAY BE A REASON

FOR A DISCREPANCY. SO IS THIS METHODOLOGY GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT

SENIORITY AND HOW THAT MAY IMPACT THE DIFFERENCE IN PAY?

MS. LIFTON: THIS IS NOT ABOUT SENIORITY, THIS IS

ABOUT LOOKING AT THE ISSUES OF COMPARABLE WORTH, EQUITABLE PAY --

WAGES, AGAIN, WHICH IS MORE FULLY DEFINED IN THIS BILL. AND, YOU KNOW,

DEFINED AS WE'VE HEARD THIS PHRASE MANY, MANY TIMES, JOB

QUALIFICATIONS, THE KIND OF WORK PERFORMED, THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY

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FOR THAT WORK, THE SKILLS REQUIRED, THE EFFORT REQUIRED AND THE WORKING

CONDITIONS REQUIRED BY THIS WORK. SO IT'S -- IT'S NOT LOOKING AT ISSUES OF

SENIORITY AND PEOPLE GOING UP IN THEIR -- IN THEIR JOB WITH PROMOTIONS

AND SO ON IN THEIR PAY SCALE. IT'S REALLY ABOUT LOOKING AT SEGREGATED

TITLES AND WHETHER OR NOT ISSUES OF EQUITY AND COMPARABLE WORTH ARE

BEING TAKEN INTO PROPER CONSIDERATION.

MR. RA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, MR. RA.

MR. RA: I'M -- WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW,

A POSITIVE TO GIVE MORE TIME TO DO SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE. WE HAD IN

THE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR WITH REGARD TO THIS BILL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE

CONCERNS RAISED, WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DEVELOP THE

METHODOLOGY, GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE MANY, MANY DIFFERENT

CIVIL SERVICE POSITIONS, ONES THAT MIGHT QUALIFY AND BE TRIGGERED BY

THIS. AND -- AND CERTAINLY, JUST GOING THROUGH THE POINTS OF DATA THAT

ARE GOING TO BE -- THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED FROM THE DIFFERENT

LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE

TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO FIND TRENDS AND IDENTIFY CERTAIN THINGS AMONGST

CERTAINLY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF -- OF EMPLOYEES, PEOPLE IN

DIFFERENT TITLES AND -- AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, WHAT DATA COMES OUT THE

OTHER END, WHICH I THINK PRESUMABLY WOULD BE -- WOULD BE FOR BOTH OUR

ACTION AND MAYBE ACTION, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE CIVIL

SERVICE DEPARTMENT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- WITH A LOT OF THESE

TYPES OF BILLS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE EQUAL PAY STATUTES, WE'VE

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DONE SOME THINGS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS EVEN TO STRENGTHEN THOSE

LAWS. BUT AS WE GET INTO AREAS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE DIFFERENT

TYPES OF JOBS AND -- AND TRY TO EQUATE THEM WITH ONE ANOTHER, IT GETS

VERY COMPLEX. SO I -- I DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOME

ADDITIONAL TIME, BUT -- BUT I STILL THINK THAT -- THAT THE DEPARTMENT, YOU

KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW, I -- I THINK WE -- WE STILL NEED SOME CLARITY AS TO

WHAT -- WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REALLY DETERMINE UNDER THIS PIECE OF

LEGISLATION. I KNOW THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO -- WHO DID NOT

SUPPORT THE BILL LAST YEAR. I'M SURE IN PART BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME IT

WAS UNDER, AND I THINK IN PART BECAUSE IT -- IT JUST WAS -- WAS NOT CLEAR

EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING THE DEPARTMENT TO DO IN TERMS OF TRYING

TO EQUATE WHAT MAY BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT JOBS FOR PURPOSES OF

DETERMINING WAGE DISPARITIES.

THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. LIFTON, WILL YOU

YIELD?

MS. LIFTON: I'D BE HAPPY TO YIELD, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. LIFTON YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. LIFTON.

MS. LIFTON: YOU'RE WELCOME.

MR. GOODELL: AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE OFTEN

DISCUSSED THIS BILL IN THE CONTEXT OF COMPARATIVE WAGES OR COMPARABLE

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WORK.

MS. LIFTON: COMPARABLE. MM-HMM. YES.

MR. GOODELL: DOES THIS BILL, WHICH LISTS THE

CRITERIA THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION IS TO CONSIDER, DOES THIS BILL

REFERENCE MARKET RATES?

MS. LIFTON: NO. THESE ARE -- THESE ARE

GOVERNMENT JOBS. THIS IS COMPARING JOBS WITHIN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

WHAT ONE EMPLOYEES MAKES IN RELATION TO ANOTHER, IN RELATION TO THEIR

RESPONSIBILITIES, THEIR SKILLS AND SO ON. WORKING CONDITIONS. IT'S

SIMPLY LOOKING AT COMPARABLE ISSUES OF THOSE COMPARABILITIES WITHIN

THE PUBLIC SECTOR -- WITHIN THE CIVIL SERVICE SECTOR.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, AS YOU KNOW, EVEN IN

GOVERNMENT WORK WE OFTEN HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR PREVAILING WAGES

WHICH ARE BASED ON SURVEYS OF WHAT THE MARKET RATES ARE IN A PARTICULAR

COMMUNITY. ANY REFERENCE TO PREVAILING WAGES IN THIS?

MS. LIFTON: NOTHING.

MR. GOODELL: AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE

DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL SERVICES TO DETERMINE WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE PAID

WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER THAT PAY WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF PREVAILING

WAGES OR BELOW PREVAILING WAGES THAT MIGHT BE PAID FOR COMPARABLE

POSITIONS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR?

MS. LIFTON: WELL, THEY ALREADY HAVE -- YOU KNOW,

MOST OF THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALL OF THIS FOR

DECADES UPON DECADES. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HUMAN RESOURCE

DEPARTMENTS WITHIN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO THE

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HIRING, LOOK AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS. THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE.

MANY HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENTS USE THESE METHODOLOGIES,

ACTUALLY, IN HIRING. SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE DONE REVIEWS OF

THESE THINGS. MUCH OF THIS IS CURRENT PRACTICE. THIS IS A QUESTION OF

LOOKING AT IT STATEWIDE AND TAKING ANOTHER LOOK -- SOMETHING THAT HASN'T

BEEN DONE IN QUITE A LONG WHILE, AND TAKING A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT IT

AND SEEING WHERE WE ARE. IT MAY BE THAT SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE

GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME WORK TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES THAT COME INTO

PLAY IN COMPARABLE WORTH. BUT IT'S -- IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO DO WITH

-- YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT COMPARING IT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR

AND WHAT THEIR PREVAILING WAGE IS THERE. IT'S LOOKING AT THE WAGES IN

THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR AND SAYING, DOES THIS JOB TITLE, BASED ON

COMPARABLE WORTH, BASED ON SEGREGATED TITLES, NEED TO BE PAID MORE

THAN IT IS? IT'S OFTEN -- WE KNOW WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF -- MINORITIES

SOMETIMES THAT END UP IN SEGREGATED TITLES AND ARE SOMETIMES PAID

MORE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DOING WORK THAT'S OF COMPARABLE WORTH TO

SOMEONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

MR. GOODELL: AND DO YOU HAVE --

MS. LIFTON: WITHIN -- WITHIN THAT -- WITHIN THAT

GOVERNMENT.

MR. GOODELL: I SEE. AND -- AND DO YOU HAVE ANY

DATA ON THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF DISCRIMINATORY WAGES PAID, SAY, BY THE

STATE OF NEW YORK? WE HAVE ABOUT 225,000 EMPLOYEES. DO YOU HAVE

ANY DATA DOCUMENTING THE NATURE OR EXTENT OF ANY DISCRIMINATION

AGAINST WOMEN OR MINORITIES WITHIN THE STATE GOVERNMENT ITSELF?

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MS. LIFTON: WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS STUDY IS DOING.

IT'S STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. WE -- WE HAD OLD STUDIES THAT LOOKED

AT IT AND FOUND THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED YEARS AGO, A COUPLE

OF DECADES AGO, AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO DO THIS AGAIN. AND SO

WE'RE TRYING TO, IN FACT, GET THAT STUDY. THIS STUDY, AFTER THREE YEARS,

WOULD BE A REPORT TO THE LEGISLATURE, AND WE WOULD INDEED BE TRYING TO

FIND THAT OUT AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS CORRECTED IF THERE ARE

INDEED INEQUITIES BASED ON COMPARABLE WORTH.

MR. GOODELL: AND I THINK I -- YOU ANSWERED THIS

QUESTION. THAT'S THREE YEARS FROM WHEN THE ORIGINAL BILL IS ENACTED OR

THREE YEARS FROM WHEN THIS BILL WOULD GO IN --

MS. LIFTON: THREE YEARS FROM 2018.

MR. GOODELL: GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MS. LIFTON: THANK YOU.

MR. GOODELL: ON THE BILL, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, MR.

GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, OF COURSE

COMPANIES ARE VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE PREVAILING WAGES ARE,

WHAT COMPETITIVE WAGE RATES ARE, BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE PRIVATE

SECTOR KNOWS THAT IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO

RECRUIT AND RETAIN HIGH-QUALITY PEOPLE. AND AT THE SAME TOKEN, THE

PRIVATE SECTOR RECOGNIZES THAT IF YOU PAY MORE THAN THE PREVAILING

WAGE, IT AFFECTS THE PROFITABILITY OF THE COMPANY. AND SO THE PRIVATE

SECTOR IS CONSTANTLY EVALUATING THE WAGE STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE IT

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REFLECTS MARKET CONDITIONS. AND, OF COURSE, IT'S NOT JUST IN THE

EMPLOYMENT FIELD, IT'S THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMPETITIVE MARKET. AND

WHEN GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN THIS FIELD, THE PROBLEM MANY OF MY

COLLEAGUES MAY HAVE ON THIS BILL IS THAT WE ASK THE CIVIL SERVICE

DEPARTMENT TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THE WAGE RATES ARE APPROPRIATE

ACROSS LITERALLY HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, OF JOB CLASSIFICATIONS

WITHOUT CONSIDERING WHAT COMPARABLE SALARIES ARE BEING OFFERED BY

OTHER GOVERNMENTS OR IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR THOSE POSITIONS. AND SO,

IF YOU START OUT WITH A STUDY THAT HAS A PREMISE THAT WE SHOULD IGNORE

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REST OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR, YOU'RE GOING TO GET

RESULTS THAT AREN'T HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY WON'T REFLECT THE COMPETITIVE

PRESSURES THAT WE'RE FACING.

SO I APPRECIATE MY SPONSOR'S DESIRE TO STUDY THIS ISSUE

FURTHER. I SIMPLY WISH THAT THE STUDY INCLUDED ALL THE RELEVANT FACTORS,

INCLUDING PREVAILING WAGES. THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A04267-A, CALENDAR

NO. 293, HEVESI, ENGLEBRIGHT, L. ROSENTHAL, GUNTHER, ARROYO, ROZIC,

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LAVINE, GIGLIO, D'URSO, GALEF, JOYNER, SIMON, RIVERA, TAYLOR, HUNTER,

SEAWRIGHT, BICHOTTE, MOSLEY, NIOU, ORTIZ, BARRON, WILLIAMS,

RICHARDSON, GOTTFRIED, EPSTEIN, WRIGHT, BLAKE, MCDONALD, WALCZYK,

BUTTENSCHON, WALLACE, CRUZ, REYES. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL

PROPERTY LAW, IN RELATION TO THE TERMINATION OF A RESIDENTIAL LEASE BY A

VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE; AND TO REPEAL CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF SUCH

LAW RELATING THERETO.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WILL YOU YIELD, MR.

HEVESI?

MR. HEVESI: YES, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. HEVESI. AS YOU

KNOW, I THINK WE DEBATED THIS, LIKE, WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS AND --

MR. HEVESI: YEP.

MR. GOODELL: -- THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ISSUES

THAT -- THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THE COURSE OF THAT EXTENSIVE DEBATE.

AND WE'RE ALWAYS DELIGHTED TO SEE AMENDMENTS COME TO THE FLOOR --

MR. HEVESI: YEP.

MR. GOODELL: -- AND IT GIVES US REASSURANCE THAT

ALL THE POINTS WE MADE WERE CONSIDERED. AND WHAT WAS THE

AMENDMENT ON THIS ONE?

MR. HEVESI: NOT THE POINTS THAT YOU RAISED, SIR, BUT

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THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. THERE'S A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT THAT THE

SENATE CAUGHT ON THIS SPECIFIC BILL. JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, IF I

MIGHT, AND I'LL DO IT QUICKLY. WE PASSED THIS DURING THE DOMESTIC

VIOLENCE DAY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. THIS IS THE BILL THAT CREATES A

MECHANISM FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVORS TO BREAK THEIR LEASE. THE

BILL HAS 11 COMPONENTS. I REMEMBER THAT SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE WHEN I

SAID 11 COMPONENTS DURING THE -- THE DEBATE LAST TIME, A VEIN IN THE TOP

RIGHT OF BRIAN COYNE'S FOREHEAD START TO PULSATE IN ANGER, SO I'M NOT

GOING TO REPEAT THEM NOW.

(LAUGHTER)

THERE HE GOES. BUT THIS IS STRICTLY A TECHNICAL

AMENDMENT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY SUBSTANTIVE CONCERNS THAT

YOU HAVE.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU. NO, THAT'S -- THAT'S

FINE. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS JUST A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT,

IT DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE SUBSTANTIVE PROVISIONS OF THE BILL.

MR. HEVESI: NO, BUT IT DID PROVIDE ME A

MECHANISM TO MAKE FUN OF BRIAN COYNE, WHICH I APPRECIATE. THANK

YOU, MR. GOODELL.

(LAUGHTER)

MR. GOODELL: ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY

TO BE OF ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

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RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, WOULD YOU

PLEASE CALL THE CODES COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM?

I BELIEVE MR. LENTOL IS ALREADY THERE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. LENTOL IS ON HIS

WAY. I SUGGEST CODES COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRECEDE HIM AND GREET HIM

WHEN HE GETS THERE.

THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01047-B, CALENDAR

NO. 176, SIMOTAS, COLTON, SEAWRIGHT, BLAKE, OTIS, ORTIZ, WALLACE,

BRONSON, PERRY, CRUZ, WRIGHT, FERNANDEZ, WEPRIN. AN ACT TO AMEND

THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW, IN RELATION TO A FAIR, NON-BIASED COMPENSATION

STRUCTURE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MS.

SIMOTAS, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

MR. GOODELL.

MS. SIMOTAS, AN EXPLANATION IS REQUESTED. BUT THOSE

WHO ARE AROUND MS. SIMOTAS, WHY DON'T YOU....

MS. SIMOTAS: THIS BILL AMENDS SECTION 115 OF THE

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CIVIL SERVICE LAW TO CLARIFY THAT NEW YORK STATE'S LONGSTANDING POLICY

OF FAIR, EQUAL AND UNBIASED COMPENSATION APPLIES TO ALL GOVERNMENT

EMPLOYEES. IN 2014, THE COURT OF APPEALS SETTLED A SPLIT BETWEEN THE

FIRST AND THIRD DEPARTMENTS ABOUT WHETHER CERTAIN STATE EMPLOYEES

CAN SUE IN OUR COURTS WHEN THEY ARE NOT COMPENSATED FAIRLY. THE COURT

OF APPEALS SIDED WITH THE THIRD DEPARTMENT, FINDING THAT SECTION 115

MERELY STATES A POLICY AND DOES NOT CONFER A RIGHT TO PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

IN 1966, NEW YORK ENACTED A PROVISION IN LABOR LAW EXPLICITLY

PROVIDING EMPLOYEES WITH THE RIGHT TO BRING SUIT IF THEY ARE

DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN THEIR COMPENSATION. THIS BILL ENSURES THAT

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE GRANTED THE SAME RIGHT.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD THE

SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WILL YOU YIELD, MS.

SIMOTAS?

MS. SIMOTAS: OF COURSE I YIELD.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. SIMOTAS YIELDS.

QUIET, PLEASE. WE'RE ON DEBATE.

PROCEED.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS.

SIMOTAS. RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE THERE ARE -- ARE MORE THAN ONE FEDERAL

STATUTE REQUIRING EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK, INCLUDING THE EQUAL PAY

ACT OF 1963 AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. THOSE ACTS APPLY THROUGHOUT THE

NATION, INCLUDING HERE IN NEW YORK, RIGHT?

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MS. SIMOTAS: YES, THEY DO.

MR. GOODELL: AND THEY APPLY TO MUNICIPAL

EMPLOYEES AS WELL?

MS. SIMOTAS: OF COURSE THEY DO.

MR. GOODELL: AND SO WHY DO WE NEED A STATE

LAW SAYING THAT MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES HAVE RIGHTS THAT ARE GRANTED TO

THEM UNDER FEDERAL LAW THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY HAVE?

MS. SIMOTAS: AS I MENTIONED, THERE WAS A SPLIT IN

THE CIRCUITS, AND THE COURT OF APPEALS MENTIONED THAT THE LONGSTANDING

POLICY, 115 OF THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW, IT REALLY DOESN'T CREATE A RIGHT -- A

RIGHT, IT JUST -- IT JUST ASSERTS A POLICY. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS

CLARIFYING THAT A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN

DISCRIMINATED IN THEIR PAY, DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THE COURTHOUSE.

MR. GOODELL: SO THIS IS REALLY DESIGNED TO MAKE

IT MAKE IT SO THAT NEW YORK STATE COURTS ARE AVAILABLE TO ENFORCE

FEDERAL STATUTORY PROVISIONS?

MS. SIMOTAS: I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT?

MR. GOODELL: SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS LAW IS TO

MAKE SURE THAT NEW YORK COURTS ARE AVAILABLE TO ENFORCE FEDERAL

PROTECTIONS?

MS. SIMOTAS: NO, TO -- TO ENFORCE OUR OWN CIVIL --

TO OUR OWN RIGHTS, TO OUR OWN LAWS THAT WE HAVE CREATED HERE. BUT ALSO

FEDERAL -- I MEAN, THE FEDERAL RIGHTS AS WELL. THE -- THE TRUTH IS THAT

PRIVATE EMPLOYEES HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO COURT WHEN THEY FEEL THAT

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COMPENSATED FAIRLY, AND I THINK THAT WE WOULD ALL

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AGREE THAT PUBLIC EMPLOYEES SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHT.

MR. GOODELL: NOW, THE FEDERAL STATUTES THAT ARE

REFERENCED IN THIS BILL DEAL WITH EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK. AND THAT'S

BEEN THE LAW OF THE NATION FOR OVER 50 YEARS, SINCE 1963. SO IT WOULD

BE 55 -- 56 YEARS. BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT

PAY FOR SIMILAR WORK OR SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR WORK. SO WAS IT YOUR

INTENT THAT THIS BILL WOULD APPLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE FEDERAL EQUAL

PAY FOR EQUAL WORK DIDN'T APPLY? WAS IT YOUR INTENT THAT THIS BILL

WOULD BE EVEN BROADER THAN THE FEDERAL PROVISIONS?

MS. SIMOTAS: MY INTENTION WITH THIS BILL IS TO NOT

CREATE A STANDARD. MY INTENTION WITH THIS BILL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT

COURTS ARE CLEAR THAT WHEN THERE'S A VIOLATION IN POLICIES THAT ARE

ADOPTED EITHER IN -- BY -- BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR BY THE STATE,

THAT PUBLIC EMPLOYEES HAVE ACCESS TO THE COURTHOUSE. THAT THEY

SHOULDN'T BE PREVENTED FROM FILING SUITS AGAINST THEIR EMPLOYER IF THEY

FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN THEIR PAY.

MR. GOODELL: THIS BILL, OF COURSE, APPLIES

SPECIFICALLY TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN EVERY POLITICAL JURISDICTION, RIGHT?

SO, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, FIRE DEPARTMENTS. ANY -- ANY

PUBLIC EMPLOYER WOULD BE COVERED BY THIS LEGISLATION, CORRECT?

MS. SIMOTAS: YES, ANY EMPLOYER. AND AS I SAID,

ALL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

MR. GOODELL: NOW YOUR -- THIS BILL STATES -- AND

I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 2, LINE 51, THAT AS PART OF THE JUDGMENT THE COURT

COULD AWARD ATTORNEYS' FEES, REASONABLE EXPERT WITNESS FEES AND OTHER

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COSTS OF THE ACTION. BUT ONLY TO THE EMPLOYEE IF THE EMPLOYEE IS

SUCCESSFUL, CORRECT?

MS. SIMOTAS: CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: THERE'S -- SO WHY IS IT THAT THE

EMPLOYER - WHICH MIGHT BE A SMALL LOCAL MUNICIPALITY - WHY IS IT THAT

THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HAS TO PAY ALL THOSE EXPENSES EVEN IF THEY'RE

SUCCESSFUL, BUT A DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE THAT IS SUING THEM COULD HAVE

THOSE COVERED EXPENSES BY STATUTE?

MS. SIMOTAS: I DON'T THINK THAT AN EMPLOYER

WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE FEES IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL. THIS IS ONLY

IF THE EMPLOYEE GOES TO COURT, FILES AN ACTION, GETS THROUGH A MOTION TO

DISMISS, IS ABLE TO ESTABLISH AFTER DISCOVERY THAT THEY HAVE A -- THEY

HAVE A GOOD CLAIM AND ACTUALLY ARE SUCCESSFUL THAT A -- THAT A COURT CAN

DETERMINE, A JUDGE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE

ENTITLED TO ADDITIONAL COSTS IN ADDITION TO THEIR COMPENSATION AND THE

BACK PAY THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PAID.

MR. GOODELL: I -- I GUESS MY QUESTION WASN'T THAT

CLEAR, WHICH SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE TO YOU. BUT IF AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS

SUING A SMALL MUNICIPALITY IS SUCCESSFUL, THE EMPLOYEE COULD HAVE THEIR

ATTORNEY FEES, EXPERT WITNESS FEES AND OTHER COSTS PAID FOR BY THE

MUNICIPALITY IN ADDITION TO THE JUDGMENT, RIGHT?

MS. SIMOTAS: YES.

MR. GOODELL: AND IF THE SMALL MUNICIPALITY IS

SUCCESSFUL IN DEFENDING ITSELF, THIS BILL DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THE

MUNICIPALITY TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE MUNICIPALITY'S LEGAL FEES OR

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EXPERT WITNESS FEES OR OTHER COSTS, CORRECT?

MS. SIMOTAS: CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: NOW, UPSTATE, A LOT OF OUR

MUNICIPAL ENTITIES ARE QUITE SMALL. AND SOME OF OUR FIRE DISTRICTS, FOR

EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE COMMISSIONERS WORK WITHOUT PAY AND 100

PERCENT OF THE MONEY THEY RAISE GOES RIGHT INTO THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND EVEN THEN, SOMETIMES THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO HAVE

FUNDRAISERS. WHY DON'T WE HAVE A STANDARD FOR REIMBURSEMENT THAT'S

EQUAL ON BOTH SIDES? IN OTHER WORDS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE WINS,

THEY GET THEIR ATTORNEYS' FEES AND EXPERT WITNESSES OR, ALTERNATIVELY,

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU WIN OR NOT, YOU DON'T GET THOSE FEES. WHY

DO WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT BENEFITS, PRESUMABLY, A DISGRUNTLED

EMPLOYEE, BUT NOT THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY OR THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE --

THAT ARE SUPPORTING THAT MUNICIPALITY?

MS. SIMOTAS: I DON'T THINK THAT A SUCCESSFUL

EMPLOYEE WOULD BE DISGRUNTLED. I BELIEVE THAT IF THEY ACTUALLY FILED A

LAWSUIT, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DISCOVERY AND ACTUALLY CAME TO

JUDGMENT, THEN THEY HAD -- THEN THEIR CASE HAD MERIT. YOUR QUESTION IS

WHY IF THE MUNICIPALITY WAS SUCCESSFUL IN DEFENDING ITSELF, WOULDN'T IT

BE ENTITLED TO ATTORNEYS' FEES. THE BILL DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY THAT THEY

ARE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A COURT COULDN'T AWARD THOSE FEES IF YOU

HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S BRINGING FRIVOLOUS -- A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT AND

HAS NO BASIS OR IS FRAUDULENT IN THEIR CLAIMS IN THEIR -- IN THEIR

COMPLAINT.

MR. GOODELL: ONE LAST QUESTION, AND MAYBE IT'S A

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TECHNICAL QUESTION. BUT ARTICLE 3, SECTION 16 OF OUR STATE CONSTITUTION

PROHIBITS US, AS A LEGISLATURE, FROM ENACTING LEGISLATION THAT

INCORPORATES BY REFERENCE OTHER LEGISLATION. DOESN'T THE PROVISIONS OF

THIS BILL THAT INCORPORATE ALL THOSE OTHER LISTED FEDERAL STATUTES - WHICH

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO HERE - VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTIONAL

PROHIBITION AGAINST INCORPORATION BY REFERENCE?

MS. SIMOTAS: I DON'T BELIEVE SO. LAST YEAR WE

PASSED A -- A BILL THAT CHAPTERED, IT'S CHAPTER 403 OF 2018 THAT ACTUALLY

REFERENCED THESE SAME PROVISIONS OF THE LAW. IT REFERENCED THE FEDERAL

CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND THE EQUAL PAY ACT OF 1963, AND THERE WAS NO

CHALLENGE AND A COURT HAS NOT FOUND THAT IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. BUT I

CERTAINLY WILL LOOK INTO THE ISSUE, AND -- AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE

WILL CERTAINLY LOOK TO AMEND IT.

MR. GOODELL: AS YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IN -- IN MY

OPINION, WE OFTEN PASS LAWS THAT VIOLATE WITH STATE CONSTITUTION, WHICH

IS -- WHICH IS NO SURPRISE. BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH MANDATORY TRAINING

ON OTHER THINGS, BUT MOST OF US HAVE NEVER READ THE STATE CONSTITUTION,

EVEN THOUGH WE DO AN OATH OF OFFICE TO UPHOLD IT. BUT THANK YOU SO

VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ON THE BILL, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, MR.

GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN THE VAST,

VAST MAJORITY OF LAWSUITS, WE, AS A SOCIETY, DO NOT NORMALLY ALLOW FOR

THE RECOVERY OF ATTORNEY FEES, EXPERT WITNESS FEES OR OTHER COSTS FOR THE

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WINNING PARTY. AND THERE'S A VERY GOOD REASON WHY WE LIMIT THOSE

RECOVERIES, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE VALUE

OF THE LEGAL FEES OR THE EXPERT WITNESS FEES FAR EXCEED THE CLAIM. AND

SO IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP LEGAL FEES REASONABLE, TO KEEP THE LITIGATION

FOCUSED, TO AVOID A RUN TO HIRE THE MOST EXPENSIVE WITNESS FEES, WE, AS

A GENERAL RULE, SAY THAT EACH PARTY BEARS THEIR OWN EXPENSES AND IT'S

VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND SO I'M VERY HESITANT TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT

SAYS ONE PARTY CAN GET ALL THOSE EXPENSES REIMBURSED. YOU HAVE AN

OPEN CHECKBOOK BACKED BY ALL THE TAXPAYERS IN THAT MUNICIPALITY. AND

THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO ARE

BACKED BY THE TAXPAYERS, THEY HAVE NO PROTECTION. SO I THINK AS A

MATTER OF FAIRNESS AND EQUITY, THE RULE SHOULD APPLY EQUALLY TO BOTH THE

TAXPAYERS AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE BEING SUED BY A

DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE, NAMELY AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS SUING THEM. MOST

OF THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT SUE YOU ARE NOT HAPPY EMPLOYEES, THAT'S WHY

THEY'RE SUING YOU. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IN THE FUTURE WE

CONSIDER KEEPING THE PLAYING FIELD EVEN FOR ALL PARTIES.

I APPRECIATE THE SPONSOR'S COMMENTS CLARIFYING THAT

THIS BILL, THOUGH, IS FOCUSED ON EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK AND NOT A

COMPARABLE PAY BILL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH TO THE SPONSOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THANK YOU.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

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RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF WE CAN

CONTINUE WITH OUR DEBATE LIST, WE'RE GOING TO GO NOW TO CALENDAR NO.

196. IT IS ON PAGE 40 [SIC] BY MR. CRESPO. FOLLOWING THAT WE WILL GO

TO CALENDAR NO. 360. IT'S ON PAGE 60, AND IT'S BY MR. BENEDETTO. AND

THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CALENDAR NO. 372. IT'S ON PAGE 61 BY MS.

ROSENTHAL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A05501, CALENDAR NO.

196, CRESPO, ORTIZ, DE LA ROSA, D'URSO, PICHARDO, ARROYO, BLAKE,

REYES, SAYEGH, COLTON, D. ROSENTHAL, PERRY, CRUZ, RAMOS, FERNANDEZ,

RAYNOR. AN ACT TO AMEND THE LABOR LAW, IN RELATION TO PENALTIES FOR

DISCRIMINATION OR RETALIATION AGAINST IMMIGRANT EMPLOYEES.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON A MOTION BY MR.

CRESPO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: WILL THE SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. CRESPO, WILL YOU

YIELD?

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MR. CRESPO: ALREADY AWAITING YOUR QUESTIONS, MR.

GOODELL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. CRESPO. AS I

UNDERSTAND THIS BILL, IT WOULD MAKE IT A VIOLATION FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR AN

EMPLOYER TO THREATEN, PENALIZE, OR IN ANY MANNER DISCRIMINATE OR

RETALIATE AGAINST AN EMPLOYEE BY REPORTING THEM TO IMMIGRATION

SERVICES FOR POSSIBLE DEPORTATION. IS THAT CORRECT?

MR. CRESPO: YES. BUT TO BE VERY CLEAR, SECTION

215 OF THE LABOR LAW ALREADY PREVENTS EMPLOYERS FROM TAKING ACTIONS

AGAINST EMPLOYEES. WHAT WE ARE ADDING IS A CLARIFICATION THAT THE

THREAT TO CALL ICE OR REFER THEM TO DEPORTATION OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE

LINES OR ANY THREATS BASED ON A RETALIATION BASED ON THEIR IMMIGRATION

STATUS, ALSO FALLS UNDER THOSE PROTECT -- PROTECTIONS OF THAT SECTION OF

LAW.

MR. GOODELL: AND SO IF AN EMPLOYER OR ANOTHER

INDIVIDUAL - I SUPPOSE IT COULD BE NOT NECESSARILY THE EMPLOYER - BUT IF

THEY -- IF THEY CALL AND REPORT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS WORKING ILLEGALLY

AND THEY CALL IMMIGRATION SERVICES OR IMMIGRATION CONTROL AND

ENFORCEMENT, THERE WOULD BE A $10,000 FINE?

MR. CRESPO: THE FINES AND THE PROTECTIONS APPLY IF

THEY ARE DONE IN RETALIATION FOR THE WORKER, THE EMPLOYEE, SEEKING

REMEDIES OR MAKING A COMPLAINT OR ANY OTHER ACTIONS THAT THE LAW

ALLOWS AN EMPLOYEE TO SEEK PROTECTIONS FROM OR FOR. SO IN THE SCENARIO

THAT AN -- THAT AN EMPLOYER IS NOT PROMPTED BY ANY ACTIONS BY THE

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EMPLOYEE, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THIS SECTION OF LAW WOULD APPLY.

MR. GOODELL: I SEE. BUT THE PENALTY IS $10,000

FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION, $20,000 FOR THE SECOND VIOLATION?

MR. CRESPO: BEAR WITH ME.

(PAUSE)

I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.

MR. GOODELL: AND IT'S ALSO A CLASS B

MISDEMEANOR, CORRECT?

MR. CRESPO: IT -- IT COULD BE -- THE -- THE BILL

WOULD ALLOW -- THE COMMISSIONER MAY ASSESS THE EMPLOYER OR PERSON A

CIVIL PENALTY BETWEEN $1,000 AND $10,000, AND IF THERE -- IF THE

COMMISSIONER FINDS THAT THE EMPLOYER HAS COMMITTED SIMILAR

VIOLATIONS IN THE PRECEDING SIX YEARS, HE OR SHE MAY ASSESS A CIVIL

PENALTY BETWEEN $1,000 AND $20,000.

MR. GOODELL: AND IT'S ALSO A CLASS B

MISDEMEANOR, AM I CORRECT?

MR. CRESPO: YES. THAT'S CURRENT LAW.

MR. GOODELL: I SEE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I

APPRECIATE THOSE CLARIFICATIONS.

ON THE BILL, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, MR.

GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: NONE OF US, OF COURSE, THINK AN

EMPLOYER SHOULD IN ANY WAY RETALIATE AGAINST ANY EMPLOYEE. BUT IT IS

SOMEWHAT IRONIC THAT WE'RE PASSING A BILL SAYING THAT THERE'S A $10,000

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-- UP TO A $10,000 FINE AND A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR IF YOU REPORT TO

IMMIGRATION SERVICES THAT ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES IS HERE ILLEGALLY. SO

WE'VE TAKEN, IF YOU WILL, THE EMPLOYER WHISTLE BLOWER, WHERE AN

EMPLOYER OUGHT TO BE REPORTING VIOLATIONS OF FEDERAL LAW, AND WE SAY

IF YOU REPORT A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW TO THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, YOU

CAN BE FINED UP TO $10,000 THE FIRST TIME YOU REPORT A VIOLATION OF

FEDERAL LAW TO FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND YOU CAN BE FINED UP TO

$20,000 THE SECOND TIME THAT YOU REPORT A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW TO

THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES AND YOU COULD BE ARRESTED FOR A CRIMINAL

OFFENSE. AND I ACKNOWLEDGE, AS MY COLLEAGUE HAS POINTED OUT, THIS

ONLY APPLIES IN THE CONTEXT OF RETALIATION. BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO

ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE INVOLVED IN REPORTING ILLEGAL CONDUCT, AND I

DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD IMPOSE ANY FINES OR PENALTIES ON THOSE WHO

PROPERLY AND CORRECTLY REPORT ILLEGAL CONDUCT, WHETHER IT'S TO LOCAL

AUTHORITIES OR TO FEDERAL AUTHORITIES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 90TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MR. CRESPO TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. CRESPO: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I JUST WANT

TO MAKE VERY CLEAR TO OUR COLLEAGUES AS THEY HOPEFULLY VOTE IN SUPPORT

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OF THIS, THIS -- WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY IN THIS BILL IS CLARIFYING THAT

EXISTING PROTECTIONS -- WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PENALTIES, WE'RE NOT

CHANGING THOSE PROTECTIONS. WE ARE MAKING VERY CLEAR SOMETHING THAT

IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT FEDERAL COURTS HAVE HELD, AS WELL AS WHAT IS --

CONTINUES TO BE A COMMON FIND BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN HER

INVESTIGATIONS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, OF ABUSES AND/OR THREATS

BEING MADE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS POLITICAL CLIMATE COMING FROM

WASHINGTON, AND SEVERE ABUSES AGAINST WORKERS, ESPECIALLY

UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ACROSS OUR STATE. AND -- AND THIS ONLY APPLIES

TO CLARIFYING WHEN RETALIATION IS MADE AND WHERE THE EMPLOYER IS THE

ONE LOOKING TO THREATEN OR MAKE THOSE CALLS AND REFERRALS IN RETALIATION

FOR THE EMPLOYEE SEEKING REMEDIES TO A VIOLATION OF LAW TAKING PLACE IN

THE WORKPLACE. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT ALL

WORKERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY COVERED BY LABOR LAW CONTINUE TO BE

PROTECTED, AND THIS IS CLARIFYING THAT WE WILL NOT ALLOW EMPLOYERS TO USE

THESE THREATS AS -- AS THE FEDERAL COURTS HAVE ALREADY FOUND. AND ONE

QUICK EXAMPLE: THE TRUMP GOLF COURSE IN NEW JERSEY WAS ONE OF THE

REASONS WHY WE PROMPTED THIS. AN EMPLOYEE, AN UNDOCUMENTED

WORKER THERE, WAS THREATENED THAT IF THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT THEIR

SUPERVISOR THAT ICE WOULD BE CALLED ON THEM AND THEIR FAMILY. AND WE

ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAW REFLECTS WHAT IT CURRENTLY DOES, AND

THAT IS THAT IT -- RETALIATION AGAINST AN EMPLOYEE IS PROTECTED UNDER

LABOR LAW, UNDER FEDERAL LABOR LAW, AND WE WANT TO REMAIN

CONSISTENT WITH THAT. AND SO A VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS IS A VOTE TO

SUPPORT OUR LABOR PRACTICES.

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ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. CRESPO IN THE

AFFIRMATIVE.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: ARE THERE ANY

OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A07044, CALENDAR NO.

360, BENEDETTO. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC AUTHORITIES LAW, IN

RELATION TO CERTAIN CONTRACTS OF THE NEW YORK CITY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION

AUTHORITY; AND TO AMEND CHAPTER 738 OF THE LAWS OF 1988, AMENDING

THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK, THE PUBLIC

AUTHORITIES LAW AND OTHER LAWS RELATING TO ESTABLISHING THE NEW YORK

CITY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY, IN RELATION TO EXTENDING CERTAIN

PROVISIONS OF SUCH CHAPTER RELATING TO CERTAIN CONTRACTS OF THE NEW

YORK CITY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: ON A MOTION

BY MR. BENEDETTO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL

IS ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

AN EXPLANATION IS REQUESTED.

MR. BENEDETTO: THIS BILL WILL EXTEND FOR FIVE

MORE YEARS THE -- NEW YORK CITY'S SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY'S

EXEMPTION FROM THE WICKS LAW.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

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THE SPONSOR YIELD?

MR. BENEDETTO: ABSOLUTELY.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: MR.

BENEDETTO YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

BENEDETTO. WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF EXCEPTING THE NEW YORK CITY

SCHOOL SYSTEM FROM COMPLYING WITH WICKS?

MR. BENEDETTO: I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THE --

MR. GOODELL: WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF GIVING

THIS EXCEPTION TO THE NEW YORK STATE -- NEW YORK CITY SCHOOL

DISTRICT FROM COMPLYING WITH THE WICKS LAW?

MR. BENEDETTO: WE ARE HOPING AND EXPECTING AN

EXPERIENCE OF THE LAST 31 YEARS HAS SHOWN US BY EXCLUDING NEW YORK

CITY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY FROM THE WICKS LAWS, THAT THEY

ARE ABLE TO BASICALLY BUILD FASTER. AND IN NEW YORK CITY, WHERE THERE

IS ALWAYS, IT SEEMS, A CRISIS IN EDUCATION AND THE BUILDINGS OF EDUCATION

AND ROOT FOR -- FOR THE STUDENTS, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

MR. GOODELL: HAS THIS LEGISLATION OVER THE LAST 30

YEARS ALSO SAVED THEM MONEY?

MR. BENEDETTO: I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THEY

ALWAYS ALSO SAVE MONEY BY USING THEIR EXEMPTION, YES.

MR. GOODELL: AND HAS THE NEW YORK CITY

SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY DOCUMENTED EITHER THE SAVINGS IN TIME

OR THE SAVINGS IN MONEY?

MR. BENEDETTO: I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN

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DOCUMENTED NOT ONLY BY THE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY, BUT OTHER

INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE RESEARCHERS.

MR. GOODELL: AND IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE

DON'T EXEMPT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FROM THE WICKS LAW?

MR. BENEDETTO: WELL, I GUESS THERE IS A REASON.

AND I KNOW IN THE STATE, THAT STATE DOT AND THE OFFICE OF

GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES, WHEN THEY USE DESIGN-BUILD FOR THEIR PROJECTS

AND ENTER INTO PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS THAT THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM THE

WICKS LAW AS WELL.

MR. GOODELL: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I

APPRECIATE THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

MR. SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: ON THE BILL.

MR. GOODELL: THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THE

WICKS LAW FROM MUNICIPALITIES ALL ACROSS NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE

THEY POINT OUT THAT IN THEIR OPINION, THE WICKS LAW CAUSES CONSTRUCTION

TO TAKE MUCH LONGER AND COSTS MUCH MORE MONEY. AND THE REASON WHY

IS BECAUSE THE WICKS LAW FORCES A MUNICIPALITY TO BREAK A

CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT INTO MULTIPLE COMPONENTS, WHICH FORCES, THEN,

THE MUNICIPALITY TO DEAL WITH ALL THE CHALLENGES OF DEALING WITH

DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS WHO HAVE TO INTERFACE BETWEEN EACH OTHER. AND

WHEN A -- WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM OR A DELAY, NOT SURPRISINGLY, OFTEN THE

CONTRACTORS POINT FINGERS AT EACH OTHER. AND AS MY COLLEAGUE POINTED

OUT, ELIMINATING THE WICKS LAW HAS ENABLED THE NEW YORK CITY

SCHOOL AUTHORITY [SIC] TO PROCEED MUCH FASTER AND MUCH MORE

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EFFICIENTLY AND WITH A LOT LESS EXPENSE, AND THAT SAME EXACT EXPERIENCE

WOULD LIKELY BE EXPERIENCED ACROSS NEW YORK STATE IF WE ELIMINATED IT

STATEWIDE.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS BILL, AND ONLY WISH THAT IT

WAS BROADER IN SCOPE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: THE CLERK

WILL RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A00486-B, CALENDAR

NO. 372, L. ROSENTHAL, MOSLEY, GOTTFRIED, OTIS, WEPRIN, ORTIZ, PERRY,

DAVILA, DINOWITZ, SIMON, M.G. MILLER, LIFTON, BARRON, SEAWRIGHT,

RICHARDSON, BENEDETTO, STECK, BRONSON, CRESPO, HUNTER, ROZIC,

COLTON, TAYLOR, PICHARDO, EPSTEIN, REYES, DESTEFANO, ZEBROWSKI,

STIRPE, CARROLL, MCMAHON, RAMOS, JAFFEE, CRUZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

LIEN LAW, IN RELATION TO EMPLOYEE LIENS; TO AMEND THE LABOR LAW, IN

RELATION TO EMPLOYEE COMPLAINTS; TO AMEND THE CIVIL PRACTICE LAW AND

RULES, IN RELATION TO GROUNDS FOR ATTACHMENT; TO AMEND THE BUSINESS

CORPORATION LAW, IN RELATION TO STREAMLINING PROCEDURES WHERE

EMPLOYEES MAY HOLD SHAREHOLDERS OF NON-PUBLICLY-TRADED CORPORATIONS

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PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR WAGE THEFT; AND TO AMEND THE LIMITED LIABILITY

COMPANY LAW, IN RELATION TO CREATING A RIGHT FOR VICTIMS OF WAGE THEFT

TO HOLD THE TEN MEMBERS WITH THE LARGEST OWNERSHIP INTERESTS IN A

COMPANY PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR WAGE THEFT.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: ON A MOTION

BY MS. ROSENTHAL, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL

IS ADVANCED.

AN EXPLANATION IS REQUESTED, MS. ROSENTHAL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: THIS BILL IS A BILL TO COMBAT

WAGE THEFT IN NEW YORK STATE.

(LAUGHTER)

THAT'S IT.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: MR. GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD THE

SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: DO YOU YIELD,

MS. ROSENTHAL?

MS. ROSENTHAL: I DO.

ACTING SPEAKER EICHENSTEIN: THE SPONSOR

YIELDS.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MS. ROSENTHAL. ISN'T

WAGE THEFT ALREADY ILLEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES, IT IS.

MR. GOODELL: AND WHAT IS THE PENALTY FOR WAGE

THEFT ALREADY?

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MS. ROSENTHAL: I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, BUT

WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS IT LETS WORKERS WHO GO TO COURT AND PROVE THE CASE

TO THE JUDGE THAT THEY HAVE A GOOD POSSIBILITY OF SUCCEEDING IN THE

CASE, TO PUT A LIEN ON THE BUSINESS'S ASSETS, BUILDINGS.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, UNDER CURRENT -- UNDER

CURRENT LAW THERE'S BOTH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES, RIGHT, FOR WAGE

THEFT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT

SOME UNSCRUPULOUS EMPLOYERS DON'T CARE THAT THERE'S A LAW AGAINST IT

AND THEY DEPRIVED WORKERS OF THEIR EARNED WAGES.

MR. GOODELL: AND IF YOU FIND AN EMPLOYER THAT

HAS ENGAGED IN WAGE THEFT, WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES UNDER CURRENT LAW?

MS. ROSENTHAL: I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS. I DON'T

KNOW WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, I MEAN, YOUR -- YOUR

EXPLANATION OF THE BILL IS THAT THIS WAS DESIGNED TO COMBAT WAGE THEFT,

AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF BILLS AND

STATUTORY PROVISIONS THAT ALREADY APPLY.

MS. ROSENTHAL: BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT --

MR. GOODELL: IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE SAYING IT'S OKAY

TO STEAL SOMEBODY'S WAGES RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE HAVE CIVIL PENALTIES,

WE HAVE CRIMINAL PENALTIES, WE HAVE PERSONAL LIABILITY, RIGHT? WE HAVE

THE FULL ARRAY OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT POWER OF THE STATE AGAINST WAGE

THEFT, CORRECT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: THIS -- THIS BILL CONCERNS THE

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EMPLOYEE BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THEIR OWE -- THEIR OWED WAGES. SO

IT'S NOT ABOUT A PENALTY ON THE EMPLOYER. IT'S ABOUT FORCING THE -- THE

EMPLOYER TO PAY THE EMPLOYEE THE WAGES THAT THEY WERE DEPRIVED OF.

MR. GOODELL: WELL UNDER CURRENT LAW, IF AN

EMPLOYEE FILES A CLAIM AGAINST AN EMPLOYER FOR UNPAID WAGES, WAGE

THEFT, THEY CAN GET A JUDGMENT, CORRECT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, HERE'S THE CRUX OF THIS BILL,

IS THAT THE EMPLOYEE MAY BE SUCCESSFUL IN COURT AND THE COURT ORDERS

THE EMPLOYEE -- EMPLOYER TO PAY. HOWEVER, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT

UNSCRUPULOUS EMPLOYERS OFTEN DODGE THAT BY DECLARING BANKRUPTCY,

SELLING THE BUSINESS TO AN LLC, DISAPPEARING AND CREATING A SITUATION

WHERE THERE ARE NO ASSETS TO BE DISTRIBUTED. SO THIS IS TO STOP THAT IN ITS

TRACKS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ASSET SO THAT THE EMPLOYEE

CAN RECEIVE THE WAGES THEY'VE EARNED BUT NOT BEEN PAID.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT UNDER

EXISTING FEDERAL BANKRUPTCY LAW, THERE ARE CERTAIN EXPENSES THAT, IF YOU

WILL, BURN THROUGH THE BANKRUPTCY, THAT ARE NOT DISCHARGED BY

BANKRUPTCY. ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU KNOW, CREDIT CARD

COMPANIES ARE FIRST ON THE LIST. I WOULD SAY THAT WORKERS ARE AMONG THE

LAST CREDITORS TO BE PAID.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, ACTUALLY, THE FEDERAL

BANKRUPTCY LAW DOESN'T PROVIDE --

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE

FEDERAL BANKRUPTCY LAW.

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MR. GOODELL: WELL, YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT

A -- A WAGE THEFT CLAIM MIGHT NOT BE PAID BECAUSE THE COMPANY

DECLARES BANKRUPTCY. BUT WHEN A COMPANY DECLARES BANKRUPTCY, THERE

ARE CERTAIN EXPENSES THAT BURN THROUGH THE BANKRUPTCY, MEANING IF

SOMEONE DECLARES PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY, THAT -- THAT LIABILITY WILL STILL

EXIST. IT'S NOT DISCHARGED IN BANKRUPTCY. ISN'T THIS ONE OF THOSE CLAIMS

THAT DEAL WITH FRAUD OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY THAT IS NOT DISCHARGED IN

BANKRUPTCY?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S

TRUE. AND THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR ESTIMATED THERE IS $1 BILLION

OF WAGE THEFT EACH YEAR IN NEW YORK STATE. SO OBVIOUSLY, ALL THE LAWS

AND THE PENALTIES ARE NOT WORKING.

MR. GOODELL: AND DO THEY ESTIMATE HOW MANY

JUDGMENTS FOR WAGE THEFT ARE NOT COLLECTED? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: THAT'S $1 BILLION.

MR. GOODELL: NO, THAT WAS THE AMOUNT OF WAGE

THEFT CLAIMS, RIGHT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

MR. GOODELL: NOW WHAT THIS BILL DOES, IF I

UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IS THAT IT SAYS THAT IF AN EMPLOYEE FILES A WAGE

CLAIM, IT HAS A SUPER PRIORITY, A PRIORITY -- A PREFERENCE PRIORITY EVEN

ABOVE ANY OTHER PRIORITY THAT MIGHT ALREADY EXIST. EVEN AFTER -- ABOVE A

MORTGAGE LIEN OR A LIEN FOR A LINE OF CREDIT OR ANYTHING ELSE. IS THAT

CORRECT?

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MS. ROSENTHAL: I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE

QUESTION.

MR. GOODELL: AM I CORRECT THAT UNDER THIS -- THE

LANGUAGE OF THIS BILL THAT AN EMPLOYEE CLAIM WOULD HAVE A PREFERENCE

LIEN OVER AND ABOVE A SECURITY INTEREST, FOR EXAMPLE, A LINE OF CREDIT, A

MORTGAGE OR ANY OTHER LIEN?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES, IT WOULD.

(PAUSE)

WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ADOPTING THE SAME STANDARD

USED IN CONNECTICUT, SO THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.

MR. GOODELL: AND WHAT STANDARD WERE YOU

PROPOSING FOR NEW YORK? WOULD IT HAVE A PRIORITY LIEN?

MS. ROSENTHAL: IT WOULD ALLOW COURTS TO

TEMPORARILY ATTACH PROPERTY DURING THE PENDENCY OF A COURT CASE IF THE

EMPLOYEE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'RE LIKELY TO WIN THIS CASE.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL

STATUTORY PROVISIONS DEALING WITH ATTACHMENT, CORRECT? IT'S IN THE

CPLR. THERE'S AN ENTIRE ARTICLE DEALING WITH ATTACHMENT.

MS. ROSENTHAL: NOT PREJUDGMENT.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU

WOULD USE AN ATTACHMENT. AFTER THE JUDGMENT YOU HAVE A LIEN. SO HOW

IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING PROVISIONS THAT DEAL WITH ATTACHMENTS

IN THE SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN

COLLECT THE JUDGMENT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: THIS -- THIS BILL IS INTENDED TO

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ENSURE THAT EMPLOYERS DON'T HIDE THEIR ASSETS.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, HOW'S THAT -- IT -- IT DOESN'T

HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIDING ASSETS, RIGHT? IT ONLY GIVES AN

EMPLOYEE LIEN OVER ASSETS THAT ARE OPEN AND UPFRONT, RIGHT? I MEAN,

THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS, IS TO GIVE IT A PREFERENCE LIEN.

AM I -- AM I MISTAKEN? IT IS A PREFERENCE LIEN, RIGHT, OVER AND ABOVE

ANY CONSENSUAL LIEN, SOME MORTGAGE LIEN, LINE OF CREDIT, OTHER

JUDGMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE.

(PAUSE)

MS. ROSENTHAL: OKAY, SO THIS -- THIS BILL ALLOWS

AN EMPLOYEE TO UPFRONT PUT AN ATTACHMENT ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT AN

EMPLOYER DOES NOT HIDE OR SELL THEIR PROPERTY.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, OF COURSE, AS SOON AS YOU FILE

A LAWSUIT, THE INSTANT YOU FILE IT, IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD -

ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE IN A COURT OF RECORD AND I WOULD ASSUME THESE

WOULD BE - WHICH IS THEN NOTICE TO ANY POTENTIAL BUYER OF THAT BUSINESS

THAT THERE IS AN ACTION PENDING. AND UNDER THE BULK SALES LAW, ISN'T IT

A REQUIREMENT, A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT UNDER THE BULK SALES LAW THAT A

SELLER OF A BUSINESS NOTIFY THE BUYER OF ALL OUTSTANDING CLAIMS?

MS. ROSENTHAL: THIS BILL ISN'T CONCERNING THE

BUYER. THIS BILL IS ABOUT PAYING THE EMPLOYEE THE WAGES THAT THEY HAVE

BEEN DEPRIVED OF.

MR. GOODELL: RIGHT. BUT YOU TOLD ME EARLIER THAT

THE REASON THAT YOU HAD THIS BILL IS YOU WANTED TO PREVENT A PERSON

FROM SELLING THE BUSINESS AND AVOIDING PAYING A CLAIM. BUT WE ALREADY

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HAVE PROVISIONS WITH THE BULK SALES LAW --

MS. ROSENTHAL: IT'S NOT SELLING THEIR BUSINESS, IT'S

HIDING THEIR ASSETS BY DECLARING BANKRUPTCY, HIDING BEHIND AN LLC,

AND IN OTHER WAYS MAKING IT APPEAR AS IF THEY HAVE NOTHING TO PAY THE

EMPLOYEE.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, YOU ARE AWARE, OF COURSE,

THAT HIDING ASSETS IS A FEDERAL CRIME WHEN YOU FILE BANKRUPTCY, RIGHT? I

MEAN, THAT'S A VERY SERIOUS OFFENSE. UNDER THE BANKRUPTCY CODE, YOU

HAVE TO BE HONEST AND UPFRONT OVER WHERE ALL YOUR ASSETS ARE. DOES

THIS DEAL WITH HIDING ASSETS UNDER THE FEDERAL BANKRUPTCY LAW? YOU'RE

-- ARE YOU SAYING THAT --

MS. ROSENTHAL: NO, NO.

MR. GOODELL: SO ARE YOU SAYING THE FEDERAL

BANKRUPTCY LAW PROVISIONS AND THE CRIMINAL SANCTIONS THAT APPLY ON

HIDING ASSETS ARE INSUFFICIENT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: NO. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH

THAT.

MR. GOODELL: I SEE. SO WE KNOW AN EMPLOYER

CAN'T HIDE ASSETS AND DECLARE BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE THAT VIOLATES FEDERAL

BANKRUPTCY LAW. WE KNOW THAT AN EMPLOYER CAN'T USE BANKRUPTCY AS A

SHIELD TO PROTECT AGAINST FRAUDULENT OR ILLEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THOSE KIND

OF CLAIMS BURN THROUGH BANKRUPTCY. WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET AN

ATTACHMENT UNDER CURRENT LAW, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. WHAT

DOES THIS BILL DO THAT DOESN'T -- WE KNOW IT'S A CRIME IF YOU ENGAGE IN

WAGE THEFT. WE KNOW THAT'S A PERSONAL LIABILITY UNDER BOTH STATE AND

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FEDERAL LAW. WE KNOW YOU CAN GO TO JAIL IF YOU ENGAGE IN THIS. SO

WHAT DOES THIS BILL DO THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE CURRENT PROTECTIONS

ON WAGE THEFT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: THIS BILL WOULD -- WOULD ALLOW

THE ASSETS TO BE ATTACHED. EMPLOYERS GOING TO JAIL IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.

THE GOAL OF THIS BILL IS TO GET THE MONEY THAT THE EMPLOYEES WERE NOT

PAID, EVEN THOUGH THEY WORKED FOR THOSE HOURS.

MR. GOODELL: SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIORITY

LIEN, A PREFERENCE LIEN. A LIEN THAT APPLIES ABOVE ALL OTHER LIENS. IS THAT

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU KNOW, THE -- THE -- THE LIEN

CAN REACH REAL OR PERSONAL PROPERTY, EXPANDS THE EXISTING LIEN LAW.

SO WORKERS OUTSIDE THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY CAN PUT A LIEN ON THEIR

EMPLOYER'S PROPERTY WHILE THE COURTS DETERMINE WHAT WAGES ARE OWED,

AND WOULD PREVENT EMPLOYERS FROM TRANSFERRING THE PROPERTY, YES.

MR. GOODELL: NOW IF YOU'RE A CURRENT EMPLOYEE

MS. ROSENTHAL: IF YOU'RE WHAT?

MR. GOODELL: -- AND YOU'VE BEEN A VICTIM -- IF

YOU'RE A CURRENT EMPLOYEE, UNDER CURRENT LAW AND YOU'RE A VICTIM OF

WAGE THEFT AND YOU SUED THE EMPLOYER AND YOU GOT A JUDGMENT AND THIS

LAW WERE ADOPTED, IT GOES INTO EFFECT. AM I CORRECT THAT THE NEW

EMPLOYEE LIEN THAT'S AUTHORIZED BY THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE

PRIORITY OVER ALL THE JUDGMENTS OF ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE THAT WAS

PREVIOUSLY ISSUED?

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MS. ROSENTHAL: IT'S -- IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE --

WHAT SITUATION YOU'RE -- YOU'RE CREATING HERE.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU A SIMPLE

EXAMPLE. LET'S SAY A BUSINESS --

MS. ROSENTHAL: BUT LET ME -- LET ME JUST ANSWER

ONE PART OF IT. YOU SAY THAT WHEN THE EMPLOYEE GOES TO COURT AND GETS

A JUDGMENT, OFTEN BY THAT TIME THE BUSINESS IS GONE AND THERE IS -- NO

JUDGMENT CAN BE PAID BECAUSE THE BUSINESS DOES NOT EXIST AND THERE'S

NO ASSETS. THEREFORE, WE NEED TO PUT A LIEN SO THAT ACTION CAN'T HAPPEN.

MR. GOODELL: SO IF A BUSINESS IS SUFFERING WITH

CASH FLOW ISSUES --

MS. ROSENTHAL: WITH WHAT?

MR. GOODELL: HAS CASH FLOW ISSUES.

MS. ROSENTHAL: THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

THE ISSUE IS --

MR. GOODELL: LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A

HYPOTHETICAL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: LET ME JUST FINISH. YOU'RE

SUPPOSED TO BE PAID FOR THE HOURS THAT YOU WORK. THERE'S NO EXCUSE --

MR. GOODELL: THERE'S NO ARGUMENT ON THAT.

MS. ROSENTHAL: -- TO NOT PAY EMPLOYEES, AND

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: HELLO, HELLO. MS.

ROSENTHAL?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES?

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ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: HI, HOW ARE YOU?

(LAUGHTER)

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU KNOW, I'M HAVING TROUBLE

HEARING --

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: OKAY. AND THAT'S

WHY I WANTED TO --

MS. ROSENTHAL: -- SO I'M RAISING MY VOICE SO

THAT HE CAN HEAR ME.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: RIGHT. SO, THE BEST

WAY TO DO THIS IS FOR THE REST OF US TO BE QUIET --

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: -- AND THEN FOR THE

TWO DEBATERS TO ASK A QUESTION AND HAVE IT ANSWERED, BUT NOT TO CROSS

EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT WILL CAUSE MORE CONFUSION, DOESN'T IT, MR.

GOODELL?

MR. GOODELL: ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, SIR.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: OKAY. SO, SHALL WE

TRY THIS AGAIN OR SHALL WE PAUSE FOR A MINUTE?

MS. ROSENTHAL: OKAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: YOU'RE READY?

MS. ROSENTHAL: SURE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THANK YOU.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MS. ROSENTHAL. AND

I'LL -- I'LL TRY TO BE -- I'LL TRY TO STAND CLOSER TO THIS MICROPHONE. THAT

MIGHT HELP.

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MS. ROSENTHAL: THANK YOU.

MR. GOODELL: SO IF A BUSINESS IS -- HAS JUDGMENTS

THAT ARE ENTERED AGAINST, IT THOSE JUDGMENTS MIGHT BE FROM A SUPPLIER OR

-- OR FROM EVEN OTHER -- PRIOR EMPLOYEES THAT WEREN'T PAID PROPERLY,

AND THIS BILL THEN BECOMES LAW, AM I CORRECT THAT THE LIEN CREATED BY

THIS LAW WOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER ALL THE EXISTING JUDGMENTS, INCLUDING

EXISTING JUDGMENTS FROM PRIOR EMPLOYEES, CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE

PURPOSE OF THIS BILL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE

JUDGMENTS AND THE LIENS. IF THE PRIOR -- PRIOR CASES DIDN'T PUT A LIEN

THEN IT'S DIFFERENT.

MR. GOODELL: WELL, YOU ARE AWARE, RIGHT, THAT AS

SOON AS A JUDGMENT'S ENTERED, THAT JUDGMENT IS AUTOMATICALLY A LIEN?

MS. ROSENTHAL: NO, IT'S NOT ON THE PROPERTY.

MR. GOODELL: UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES IS A

COURT JUDGMENT NOT A LIEN?

MS. ROSENTHAL: WE DON'T -- WE DON'T PUT LIENS

ON PROPERTY.

MR. GOODELL: ALL COURTS JUDGMENT ARE LIENS,

MA'AM.

MS. ROSENTHAL: LIENS ON THE -- ON THE BUSINESS?

MR. GOODELL: OH, YEAH. ON ALL YOUR ASSETS.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND WE NOT HAVE A JUDGMENT AGAINST US.

MS. ROSENTHAL: NOT ON THE PROPERTY.

MR. GOODELL: OKAY.

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SIR, ON THE BILL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: IF THAT WERE TRUE, I WOULDN'T

NEED THE BILL.

MR. GOODELL: THANK YOU, MS. ROSENTHAL. THANK

YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, MR.

GOODELL.

MR. GOODELL: WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS IT SAYS THAT IF

YOU HAVE A CLAIM FOR UNPAID WAGES, A CLAIM THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN

ADJUDICATED. SO THERE'S NO COURT ACTION, YOU JUST HAVE A CLAIM. THAT

CLAIM IS GIVEN A PRIORITY LIEN STATUS, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A CLAIM

THAT HAS PRIORITY OVER ANY OTHER JUDGMENTS, INCLUDING EARLIER JUDGMENTS

FROM PRIOR EMPLOYEES. IT MEANS YOU HAVE A CLAIM THAT IS ABOVE ANY

LIEN BY A MORTGAGE COMPANY OR FOR A LINE OF CREDIT. AND THE PROBLEM

THAT THIS BILL CREATES IS THAT IF A COMPANY IS FACING CASH FLOW ISSUES -

AND SOME COMPANIES DO FROM TIME TO TIME - IF THEIR EMPLOYEE LIENS

AUTOMATICALLY TAKE PRIORITY OVER ANY SECURED LOANS LIKE LINES OF CREDIT,

THE -- THE COMPANY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET A LOAN. THEY WON'T BE ABLE

TO GET A LINE OF CREDIT BECAUSE THE BANK OR LENDING INSTITUTION IS NOT

ASSURED THAT THEIR MONEY THAT THEY'RE ADVANCING THIS COMPANY WILL BE

SECURED IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT WILL ELIMINATE THE VERY CREDIT NECESSARY

FOR THESE BUSINESSES TO SURVIVE AND PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THANK YOU, SIR.

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MR. EPSTEIN.

MR. EPSTEIN: ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, SIR.

MR. EPSTEIN: SO, I WANT TO APPLAUD THE SPONSOR TO

INTRODUCE THIS LEGISLATION. PRIOR TO COMING TO THE ASSEMBLY, I'D

WORKED WITH PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF LOW-WAGE WORKERS IN NEW YORK

STATE WHO WERE DEPRIVED OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THEIR BACK WAGES BY

EMPLOYERS WHO STOLE THEIR WAGES. AND THEN WHEN WE WOULD GO TO

COURT TO REPRESENT THEM AND THEN GET JUDGMENTS, BY THE TIME WE GOT OUR

JUDGMENT AGAINST THEM, THERE WOULD BE NO ASSET LEFT IN THE BUSINESS.

THERE WOULD BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WORKERS WHO WERE EXPLOITED

AND HAD THEIR WAGES STOLEN BE ABLE TO GET THOSE WAGES BACK. AND IT

HAPPENED TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME. THIS BILL SEEKS TO RECTIFY THAT

PROBLEM. THIS BILL SAYS AT THE TIME OF FILING, WE WILL PUT A LIEN ON

WHATEVER PROPERTY YOU HAVE SO YOU JUST CAN'T SELL THE HOUSE AND THE

BUSINESS HAS NO -- NO INTEREST ANYMORE. YOU CAN'T SELL THE UNDERLYING

ABILITY OF THAT BUSINESS. AND YOU ENSURE THAT ONCE THOSE WORKERS GET A

JUDGMENT, THEY WILL HAVE NO JUDGMENT TO COLLECT ON. THIS BILL PROTECTS

WORKERS. THIS BILL DOES EXACTLY WHAT ASSEMBLYWOMAN ROSENTHAL

TALKED ABOUT. IT IS THERE TO ENSURE WHEN WAGES ARE STOLEN, THAT

BUSINESSES CAN'T WALK AWAY. IT'S EXACTLY OUR JOB, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE

SHOULD DO, AND I WANT TO APPLAUD THE SPONSOR OF THIS BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. PALUMBO.

MR. PALUMBO: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR A FEW QUESTIONS, PLEASE?

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ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. ROSENTHAL, WILL

YOU YIELD?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YEP.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. ROSENTHAL

YIELDS.

MR. PALUMBO: THANK YOU, LINDA. SO JUST A FEW

QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONTRAST TO A MECHANIC'S LIEN. THAT WITH A

MECHANIC'S LIEN WHEN IT'S FILED, IT HAS -- AND OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS

ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AREA OF LAW -- THOSE ARE FOR WORK THAT WAS ACTUALLY

PERFORMED AND SERVICES AND MATERIALS. IT'S NOT PROSPECTIVE AT ALL. IS

THAT ACCURATE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES. AND SO IS THIS.

MR. PALUMBO: RIGHT. SO IF THERE WAS --BUT IF

THERE WAS A CONTRACT, SAY, FOR A $100,000 RENOVATION AND A CONTRACTOR

DID $50,000 WORTH OF THAT RENO, THEY CAN ONLY FILE A LIEN FOR $50,000

SPECIFICALLY, NOT THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T

COMPLETE THOSE ACTUAL SERVICES, RIGHT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: RIGHT.

MR. PALUMBO: SO IN THAT REGARD, THE WAY I'M

READING THIS, THE EMPLOYEE'S LIEN IS A CLAIM FOR WAGES. HOW DO WE

DETERMINE WHAT THE FULL AMOUNT OF THAT LIEN IS PRIOR TO JUDGMENT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THE FULL

AMOUNT ON YOUR EXAMPLE?

MR. PALUMBO: WELL, OTHER THAN THAT, THE LIEN IS

FOR ALL WAGES AND OTHER DAMAGES, RIGHT, THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE

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AWARDED IN A COURT.

MS. ROSENTHAL: THAT'S -- THAT'S -- IS IF THERE'S A

DISPUTE, YOU GO TO COURT.

MR. PALUMBO: I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK THE

WRINKLE IS THAT THIS IS SOME -- THIS IS -- THIS NOTICE OF LIEN IS FILED PRIOR

TO JUDGMENT --

MS. ROSENTHAL: YES.

MR. PALUMBO: -- PRIOR TO PREVAILING, AND AS

MENTIONED BY MY PREVIOUS COLLEAGUE, THAT IT -- IT'S NOT -- WE HAVEN'T

EVEN GONE TO THE JUDGMENT PHASE YET. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS

PROSPECTIVE.

MS. ROSENTHAL: THAT'S -- THAT'S THE SAME AS A

MECHANIC'S LIEN.

MR. PALUMBO: WELL, NO, IT'S NOT, BECAUSE A

MECHANIC'S LIEN IS FOR A NUMBER CERTAIN, THE VALUE OF SERVICES

PERFORMED. THIS IS -- THIS COULD ALSO RESULT IN AN AWARD OF AN

ADDITIONAL DAMAGES --

MS. ROSENTHAL: NO, THIS IS ALSO FOR AN AMOUNT

CERTAIN.

MR. PALUMBO: BUT MY -- MY QUESTION IS, HOW

WOULD THAT BE DETERMINED? WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN VIOLATIONS, FOR

EXAMPLE, A FAILURE TO PAY -- UNDER THE LABOR LAW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS

A FAILURE TO PAY OVERTIME IS -- THERE'S ANOTHER -- THERE ARE TROUBLE

DAMAGES ON OCCASION, THERE ARE SOMETIMES ADDITIONAL FINES OF $5- TO

$10,000 FOR A VIOLATION. SO THEY WOULD JUST ACTUALLY LIEN FOR THE

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MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND THEN HOPE THAT THEY PREVAIL AT TRIAL?

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU KNOW, THE -- THE WAY THIS

WORKS IS IF AN EMPLOYEE HAS NOT BEEN PAID, THEY GO TO COURT FOR THE

AMOUNT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAID - WHETHER IT'S OVERTIME, WHETHER IT'S

JUST REGULAR TIME - AND THE JUDGE HAS TO BE CONVINCED THAT GOING

FORWARD THEY WOULD HAVE A GOOD SHOT -- SHOT AT WINNING THE CASE. SO IT

IS FOR AN AMOUNT CERTAIN, AND IT IS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.

MR. PALUMBO: WELL, HOW WOULD THE JUDGE BE --

BE SURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PREVAIL WHEN THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY

ADJUDICATED THE CASE?

MS. ROSENTHAL: IT'S THE SAME THING AS A

MECHANIC'S LIEN. THE JUDGE GETS TO DETERMINE IN THIS SITUATION WHETHER

THEY HAVE A GOOD PROBABILITY OF WINNING THE CASE.

MR. PALUMBO: IN THE EVENT THAT THAT EMPLOYEE

DOES NOT PREVAIL, IS THERE ANY MANDATORY ATTORNEYS' FEE OR DAMAGES THAT

THE EMPLOYER COULD RECOVER AS A RESULT OF A -- OF AN IMPROPER OR

DEFICIENT EMPLOYEE LIEN?

MS. ROSENTHAL: IF -- IF IN -- THE EMPLOYEE WHO

FILES THE LIEN IS FOUND TO HAVE WILLFULLY EXAGGERATED THE AMOUNT OF THE

LIEN AND THEN TRIES TO FORECLOSE ON IT, THE EMPLOYEE WILL BE SUBJECT TO

DAMAGES.

MR. PALUMBO: WELL, HOW ABOUT IF IT'S A GOOD FAITH

BASIS AND THE EMPLOYEE -- AND THE EMPLOYEE REALLY THOUGHT THEY SHOULD

HAVE BEEN PAID FOR SOMETHING, SAY, OVERTIME, AND THEN IT TURNS OUT

UNDER THE LABOR LAW WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS OVERTIME IS ACTUALLY NOT

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OVERTIME OR NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO BE PAID FOR? THAT

WOULD BE A GOOD FAITH ATTEMPT AT IT, BUT THEY'D LOSE AT TRIAL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, IF THERE'S A GOOD FAITH

ATTEMPT THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THIS.

MR. PALUMBO: OKAY. THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE --

I'M SORRY, SUBJECT TO ANY -- ANY --

MS. ROSENTHAL: THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO

ATTORNEY FEES.

MR. PALUMBO: ATTORNEYS' FEES OR DAMAGES. SO

THE EMPLOYER WOULD JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, YES. I DON'T -- WHICH SIDE

ARE YOU ARGUING ON?

MR. PALUMBO: CERTAINLY. ON PAGE 4, SECTION

6(B), LINE 44, THAT THE NOTICE OF THE EMPLOYEES LIEN MAY BE FILED AT ANY

TIME NOT LATER THAN THREE YEARS FOLLOWING THE END OF THE EMPLOYMENT,

GIVING RISE TO THE WAGE CLAIM. SO ULTIMATELY, THEY CAN -- THEY CAN FILE

IT, SAY, TWO-AND-A-HALF, ALMOST THREE YEARS LATER, AND THEN THEY CAN

RENEW IT, IS IT THREE TIMES UNDER THIS BILL?

MS. ROSENTHAL: OKAY, IT CAN BE RENEWED ONCE

WITHOUT PERMISSION, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO ANOTHER TIME YOU HAVE

TO GET --

MR. PALUMBO: YOU HAVE TO SUE.

MS. ROSENTHAL: YEAH.

MR. PALUMBO: AND THEN THE LIEN STAYS VALID

THROUGH THE PENDENCY OF THE COURT ACTION. IS THAT ACCURATE?

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MS. ROSENTHAL: YES.

MR. PALUMBO: OKAY, SO WE'RE -- WE'RE TALKING --

THIS COULD EXTEND OUT A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME WHILE -- UNTIL THEY

ULTIMATELY OBTAIN A JUDGMENT, RIGHT? AM I NOT GETTING THIS RIGHT?

MS. ROSENTHAL: BUT WE'RE TALKING -- WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT A CASE WHERE THE WORKER HAS NOT BEEN PAID, SO THAT

EXTENDS IT THAT LONG AS WELL.

MR. PALUMBO: NOW, IF YOU COULD -- IF I COULD

DRAW YOUR ATTENTION OVER TO PAGE 18.

MS. ROSENTHAL: PAGE WHAT? I'M SORRY.

MR. PALUMBO: ON PAGE 1-8 -- I'M SORRY, 18. IT'S

SECTION 630. LIABILITY OF SHAREHOLDERS FOR WAGES DUE TO LABORERS,

SERVANTS OR EMPLOYEES. NOW YOU HAD INDICATED EARLIER THAT THIS

LEGISLATION WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE CORPORATIONS COULD ULTIMATELY HIDE

ASSETS OR SOMEHOW TRY AND AVOID A JUDGMENT AND -- AND THAT WAS THE

NEED TO NOW HAVE A LIEN ON THE ASSETS. BUT THIS SECTION HERE, STARTING AT

LINE 13, THE TEN LARGEST SHAREHOLDERS AS DETERMINED BY THE FAIR -- FAIR

VALUE OF THE BENEFICIAL INTEREST AS OF THE BEGINNING OF THE PERIOD WHICH

THE UNPAID SERVICES REFERRED TO IN THIS SECTION ARE PERFORMED. THEN WE

MOVE DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, IT BASICALLY SAYS, SHALL JOINTLY AND

SEVERELY BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR ALL DEBTS, WAGES OR SALARIES DUE AND

OWING TO ANY OF ITS LABORERS, SERVANTS OR EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN

CONTRACTORS FOR SERVICES PERFORMED BY THEM FOR SUCH CORPORATION. SO

NOW THAT PIERCES THE CORPORATE VEIL, AND NOW EXTENDS PERSONAL LIABILITY

TO SHAREHOLDERS AS IF -- THE TEN LARGEST SHAREHOLDERS. IS THAT ACCURATE?

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MS. ROSENTHAL: YES, IT IS.

MR. PALUMBO: SO IN THE EVENT, SAY, IT IS A LARGER

COMPANY AND THEY HAVE SOMEONE IN PAYROLL WHO MAY HAVE

INADVERTENTLY NOT COMPLIED WITH THE LABOR LAW, THEY COULD ULTIMATELY

JOINTLY AND SEVERELY, MEANING THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION, THEN, TO GO

AFTER THOSE SHAREHOLDERS PERSONALLY, INSTEAD OF GOING AFTER A LARGE

CORPORATION THAT MAY ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE ASSETS. DOES THAT -- IS THAT

ACCURATE?

MS. ROSENTHAL: HOW -- HOW DOES -- HOW DOES

SOMEONE INADVERTENTLY NOT PAY THEIR EMPLOYER -- EMPLOYEE?

MR. PALUMBO: WELL, THERE ARE LABOR -- LABOR

LAW VIOLATIONS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A WAGE VIOLATION WHERE

SOMEONE, FOR EXAMPLE, DIDN'T PROPERLY PAY A MEDICAL BENEFIT, OR THEY

HAD SOMEHOW -- THEY HAD SOMEHOW IMPROPERLY --

MS. ROSENTHAL: OKAY, SO --

MR. PALUMBO: -- WITHDRAWN SOMETHING FROM

SOMEONE'S --

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, HOPEFULLY THAT --

MR. PALUMBO: IT'S -- I'M SAYING IT'S NOT INTENTIONAL

AND MALICIOUS, IT'S A VIOLATION.

MS. ROSENTHAL: OKAY.

MR. PALUMBO: -- AND IT'S HYPOTHETICAL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: OKAY, BUT --

MR. PALUMBO: ABSOLUTELY. BUT THEN THEY COULD

GO AFTER THEM PERSONALLY IF THEY SO CHOSE, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY GOING

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AFTER, SAY, IBM, AND TAKING IT FROM CORPORATE ASSETS.

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, I THINK THAT'S A FAR-FLUNG

EXAMPLE. I THINK IF IT WERE INADVERTENT AND, LET'S SAY, A MEDICAL BENEFIT,

THEN THE EMPLOYEE WOULD SIMPLY APPROACH MANAGEMENT AND SAY,

HERE'S -- HERE'S THE STUB. I SEE YOU -- YOU FORGOT TO PAY THIS, AND THEN

I'M SURE IT COULD BE RESOLVED AMICABLY. THESE ARE -- THAT'S NOT WHAT

THESE CASES ARE.

MR. PALUMBO: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE STILL --

WE STILL HAVE -- THE -- THE PURPOSE FOR THIS LEGISLATION IS TO SECURE THE

ASSETS IN THE EVENT THERE IS A JUDGMENT FOR A WAGE VIOLATION. SO NOW

WE HAVE IT OVERSTEPPING THAT LINE AND ULTIMATELY PIERCING THE CORPORATE

VEIL, NOT ALLOWING CORPORATE PROTECTIONS FOR THE TEN LARGEST SHAREHOLDERS

IN THESE COMPANIES FOR THIS -- THIS -- BASICALLY THE SAME PURPOSE THAT

WAS INDICATED THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER WAS THE PURPOSE FOR THIS BILL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU KNOW, IF --

MR. PALUMBO: SO IF YOU CAN RECONCILE THAT FOR

ME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

MS. ROSENTHAL: WELL, THE BASIS OF THIS BILL IS

ACTUALLY -- THERE WAS A SITUATION YEARS AGO IN MY DISTRICT WITH A

RESTAURANT CALLED SAIGON GRILL. IT WENT TO COURT. IT WAS A VERY POPULAR

RESTAURANT. THEY DIDN'T PAY THEIR DELIVERY WORKERS, SO IT WENT TO COURT.

THE COURT ORDERED A PAYMENT OF WAGES, AND THE OWNER WENT TO JAIL AND

SOLD THE BUSINESS TO A NEW -- NEW COMPANY, WHICH WAS OPEN FOR A

WHILE AND THEN CLOSED. SO THE DELIVERY WORKERS -- THIS IS MORE LIKE --

MORE THAN MAYBE EIGHT YEARS AGO -- NEVER COLLECTED ON THEIR JUDGMENT.

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SO THESE ARE SERIOUS CASES OF WAGE THEFT. THEY'RE NOT REGARDING

INADVERTENT NONPAYMENT. IF -- AND I HAVE SAID THIS FOR MANY YEARS

THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THIS BILL, IF A BUSINESS PAYS THEIR WORKERS, THEN

THEY HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. WHETHER IT'S PIERCING THE CORPORATE VEIL OR

BEING DRAGGED TO COURT. IF YOU PAY YOUR WORKERS, THEN YOU HAVE

NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

MR. PALUMBO: I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IN THAT

EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE, THAT PERSON WAS A THIEF. AND THAT WOULD

CLEARLY BE AN UNDERCAPITALIZED -- WHEN YOU USE THE PHRASE "PIERCING THE

CORPORATE VEIL", THAT'S AN UNDERCAPITALIZED CORPORATION WHERE THEY WERE

CLEARLY AVOIDING CREDITORS, AND THE PERSONAL ASSETS WOULD BE AVAILABLE

AND THAT PERSON ULTIMATELY WENT TO JAIL. AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER

REMEDIES THROUGH THE CRIME VICTIM'S FUND. BUT I THINK HERE, WE'RE NOT

TALKING NECESSARILY ABOUT THE CROOK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME PEOPLE

WHERE THEY HAD VERY TECHNICAL OR SIMPLE LABOR VIOLATIONS. PARTICULARLY

IN THE SMALLER COMPANY, YOU CAN HAVE THESE VIOLATIONS, AND THE

PERSONAL LIABILITY IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY IN

THE EVENT THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE TRUE INTENT OF THIS BILL WOULD

BE TO HOLD THESE ASSETS IN ADVANCE UNTIL JUDGMENT IS RENDERED SO WE

COULD ULTIMATELY LIQUIDATE THEM OR SEIZE THEM BY WAY OF EITHER AN

ATTACHMENT OR BY EXECUTING ON THE JUDGMENT AND FORECLOSING.

MS. ROSENTHAL: WHAT THIS BILL IS ABOUT IS

RESTORING JUSTICE TO WORKERS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN PAID WHAT THEY'VE BEEN

PROMISED TO BE PAID. SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF THIS. IF IT -- IF IT COMES TO AN

ATTACHMENT, IT'S BECAUSE THE COURT HAS DECIDED THAT THERE IS A HIGH

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PROBABILITY THAT THE WORKER WILL SUCCEED IN THEIR CLAIM IN COURT. IT'S NOT

FOR LITTLE VIOLATIONS. IT TAKES A LOT TO GO TO COURT. IT TAKES A LOT TO GO

THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT TAKES TIME. THAT -- YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S GOING TO

GO TO COURT AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT, HIRING AN ATTORNEY, LIVING

WITHOUT WAGES, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SERIOUS CLAIM.

MR. PALUMBO: THANK YOU, MS. ROSENTHAL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: YOU'RE WELCOME.

MR. PALUMBO: I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

ON THE BILL, PLEASE, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: ON THE BILL, SIR.

MR. PALUMBO: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. NOW

SEE, THESE REMEDIES ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE. AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW

GOING TO MAKE THESE MANDATORY BY STATUTE IS A PROBLEM. YOU CAN

PIERCE THE CORPORATE VEIL IN OUR COURTS. YOU CAN RECEIVE A TEMPORARY

RESTRAINING ORDER BY SHOWING THE LIKELIHOOD OF -- ON THE -- OF SUCCESS

ON THE MERITS, BALANCING OF THE EQUITIES. AND THE FACT THAT YOU MIGHT

ACTUALLY BE LOSING, SOME ASSETS MAY BE -- BE DISSOLVED OR -- IN A -- OR

BE HIDDEN IN AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID A CREDITOR. SO WE DO HAVE THOSE

REMEDIES, BUT THERE'S A COURT PROCESS FOR IT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S

IMPORTANT. NOW, TO NOT HAVE THAT DISCRETION AND TO MAKE THIS ALL

MANDATORY BY STATUTE IS GOING TO REALLY BE AN ONEROUS BURDEN,

SPECIFICALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT HAVE PROVEN A

THING. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE AN ATTACHMENT WHICH WOULD

BE SPECIFIC TO THOSE ASSETS. THEY JUST NEED TO FILE THE NOTICE OF LIEN

THREE YEARS AFTER THEY LEFT THE BUSINESS.

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SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS -- AND -- AND THE

INTENTIONS ARE UNDERSTOOD, THAT -- IT'S A LAUDABLE INTENT. BUT TO DO IT THIS

WAY IS SO OVERLY BURDENSOME, IT'S GOING TO FURTHER CRUSH OUR BUSINESSES

IN NEW YORK. I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, AND I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE

NO. THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. ROSENTHAL.

MS. ROSENTHAL: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. ON

THE BILL. THIS BILL TARGETS BAD-APPLE EMPLOYERS WHO, FACED WITH A COURT

CASE OR A DEPARTMENT OF LABOR INVESTIGATION, HIDE AND TRANSFER THEIR

ASSETS TO AVOID PAYING WHAT THEY OWE THEIR WORKERS. THESE BAD-APPLE

EMPLOYERS HURT WORKERS, HURT THEIR FAMILIES, MANY OF WHOM MAY NEED

TO RELY ON PUBLIC BENEFITS DUE TO NOT GETTING PAID. AND THEY ALSO HURT

HONEST BUSINESSES THAT MAY STRUGGLE TO COMPETE WITH THOSE WHO PAY

UNLAWFULLY LOW WAGES. SO THIS BILL PROVIDES TOOLS TO WORKERS, THE

DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO ENFORCE EXISTING

LEGAL PROTECTIONS. SO THIS BILL, ONE, EXPANDS THE EXISTING LIEN LAW SO

THAT WORKERS OUTSIDE THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY CAN PUT A LIEN ON THEIR

EMPLOYER'S PROPERTY WHILE THE COURTS DETERMINE WHAT WAGES ARE OWED.

LIENS CAN REACH REAL OR PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT THEY CANNOT REACH GOODS

OR ACCOUNTS THE EMPLOYER USES TO CONDUCT ONGOING BUSINESS. THE LIEN

WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE OPERATION OF AN ONGOING BUSINESS. THIS BILL

WOULD ALLOW COURTS TO TEMPORARILY ATTACH PROPERTY DURING THE PENDENCY

OF A COURT CASE. THIS IS THE LAW IN CONNECTICUT COURTS. ALL OF THIS

WOULD BE DONE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A JOB, AND THE -- OF A JUDGE,

AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL ABLE TO USE AND ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY

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WHEN IT IS SUBJECTED TO ATTACHMENT. THEY JUST CAN'T TRANSFER OR DIMINISH

IT. THIS WOULD ALSO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS THAT EXISTS UNDER THE

BUSINESS CORPORATION LAW AND LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY LAW FOR

HOLDING THE TEN LARGEST OWNERS OF PRIVATELY-HELD CORPORATIONS LIABLE.

THIS BILL, I'VE CARRIED THIS FOR AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE

YEARS, AND WE MADE SOME AMENDMENTS RECENTLY IN RESPONSE TO

CONCERNS RAISED BY DIFFERENT BUSINESS GROUPS. SO WE'VE ADDED

PROTECTIONS FOR EMPLOYERS. AND UNDER THE AMENDMENTS, IF AN

EMPLOYEE SERVES A LIEN ON AN EMPLOYER, THE EMPLOYER CAN FORCE THE

EMPLOYEE TO BRING AN ACTION WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE EMPLOYER'S DEMAND.

IF THE EMPLOYEE DOES NOT DO SO, THE LIEN IS EXTINGUISHED. IF AN

EMPLOYEE FILES A LIEN IS FOUND TO HAVE WILLFULLY EXAGGERATED THE AMOUNT

OF THE LIEN AND THEN TRIES TO FORECLOSE ON IT, THE EMPLOYEE WILL BE

SUBJECT TO DAMAGES. LATE PAYMENT OF WAGES ALONE, WHICH IS UNLAWFUL

UNDER NEW YORK LABOR LAW SECTION 191, CANNOT GIVE RISE TO A LIEN.

AND THE AMENDMENTS CLARIFY THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN ONLY FILE A LIEN ON

THEIR OWN BEHALF, NOT ON BEHALF OF A CLASS OF WORKERS. THE

AMENDMENTS ELIMINATE THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE BURDEN OF PROOF

WHEN AN ORDER OF ATTACHMENT HAS BEEN GRANTED BY A JUDGE AND THE

EMPLOYER WANTS TO MODIFY OR VACATE THE ATTACHMENT. THE AMENDMENTS

CLARIFY THAT AN EMPLOYEE'S RIGHT TO INSPECT THE RECORDS IS LIMITED TO

INFORMATION RELEVANT TO PURSUING THEIR WAGE CLAIMS AGAINST

SHAREHOLDERS AND MEMBERS.

SO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS BILL, WHICH I

INTRODUCED IN RESPONSE TO SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH WORKERS GETTING PAID

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AND THEN GOING TO COURT AND FINDING THAT THE ASSETS DISAPPEARED, THIS

ALLOWS THEM A TOOL TO GET -- TO GET THEIR WAGES BACK. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY

AS WELL THAT THIS BILL IS CALLED SWEAT - SECURING WAGES EARNED

AGAINST THEFT - AND THE MORE THAN 100 GROUPS THAT HAVE POURED TIME

AND ENERGY INTO ENSURING ITS PASSAGE AND ITS COMPREHENSIVENESS ARE

MANY, AND I WILL THANK THEM DURING MY TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IN 30 DAYS.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MS. ROSENTHAL TO EXPLAIN HER VOTE.

MS. ROSENTHAL: MR. SPEAKER, TO EXPLAIN MY

VOTE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE SWEAT STEERING COMMITTEE

MEMBERS; JOANN LUM FROM EN MASSE; RICKY BLUM FROM LEGAL AID

SOCIETY; DAVID COLODNY, CATHOLIC MIGRATION SERVICES; KIRSTEN BROWN,

EMPIRE JUSTICE CENTER; MIKE NEIDEL, AFL-CIO; SARAH AHN, FLUSHING

WORKERS CENTER; NALA; NYU; RWDSU; NEW IMMIGRANT

COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT; NATIONAL CENTER FOR LAW AND ECONOMIC

JUSTICE, CHINESE STAFF AND WORKERS; THE URBAN JUSTICE CENTER; AND

NEARLY 100 OTHER GROUPS WHO HAVE BEEN STEADFAST SUPPORTERS AND THE

ADVOCATES FOR THIS BILL BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEEN THE DISASTER THAT HAPPENS

WHEN WORKERS WHO RELY ON THEIR WAGES FOR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE, TO PAY THEIR

RENT, THEIR MEDICAL COSTS, FOOD FOR THEIR FAMILY, ARE DEPRIVED OF THE

WAGES THAT THEY HAVE EARNED. AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL. PERHAPS THIS

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WILL ENCOURAGE EMPLOYERS WHO DECIDE NOT TO PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES THAT

THERE WILL BE GRAVE CONSEQUENCES, AND THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO

BY LAW: PAY THEIR WORKERS THE WAGES THAT THEY HAVE EARNED.

I VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MS. ROSENTHAL IN THE

AFFIRMATIVE.

MR. RAIA.

MR. RAIA: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I'LL BE VOTING

IN THE NEGATIVE. THIS IS JUST YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY NEW YORK

STATE IS 49TH OR 50TH - DEPENDING ON WHAT YEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -

WORSE PLACES FOR BUSINESS. THIS IS GOING TO DISCOURAGE BUSINESSES

FROM RELOCATING HERE. IT'S ONE THING TO GO AFTER THE CORPORATION, IT'S

ANOTHER THING TO PIERCE THE CORPORATE VEIL AND GO AFTER THE MEMBERS OF

THE BOARD. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF INCORPORATING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO, I ENCOURAGE A NO VOTE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. RAIA IN THE

NEGATIVE.

MR. GOTTFRIED TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. GOTTFRIED: IT WOULD BE GREAT IF ALL THE

PEOPLE OF NEW YORK COULD HEAR THIS DEBATE AND HEAR THAT THERE ARE SO

MANY LEGISLATORS WHO ARE UPSET THAT WE'RE BEING TOO HARD ON PEOPLE

WHO STEAL WAGES FROM WORKERS. I DON'T OFTEN GO AROUND QUOTING THE

BIBLE, BUT LEVITICUS, CHAPTER 19, VERSE 13 SAYS THAT, YOU SHOULDN'T

HOLD ON TO THE WAGES OF YOUR WORKMEN, EVEN OVERNIGHT. SO THERE'S A

LONG TRADITION TO THE NOTION THAT WE SHOULD PAY OUR WORKERS AND PAY

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THEM PROMPTLY AND NOT STEAL THEIR WAGES.

I'M DELIGHTED TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: MR. GOTTFRIED IN THE

AFFIRMATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER, IF YOU

COULD PLEASE CALL THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE INTO THE SPEAKER'S

CONFERENCE ROOM. HELENE WEINSTEIN SHOULD BE ON HER WAY.

ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY: WAYS AND MEANS,

SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MR. SPEAKER AND

COLLEAGUES, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN DOING VERY WELL TODAY. I'M EXCITED

ABOUT OUR MOVEMENT, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LOT LEFT TO DO THIS EVENING. SO

IF I COULD GIVE THE NEXT SCHEDULED DEBATES, IT'S CALENDAR NO. 478 ON

PAGE 67 BY MR. SANTABARBARA. THEN IT'S CALENDAR NO. 359 ON PAGE 60

BY MR. BLAKE. AND THEN 550 ON PAGE 72 BY MEMBER GLICK.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: THE CLERK

WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01434-B, CALENDAR

NO. 478, SANTABARBARA, STECK, D'URSO, RIVERA, BRONSON, WALSH. AN

ACT TO AMEND THE AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS LAW, IN RELATION TO

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AUTHORIZING THE DELIVERY OF LIQUEFIED PETROLEUM GAS IN TIMES OF

EMERGENCY.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: AN

EXPLANATION HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES, THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER. THIS BILL WILL ALLOW HOMEOWNERS LEASING LPG - LIQUID

PROPANE GAS - CONTAINERS TO RECEIVE EMERGENCY DELIVERIES FROM

MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS DURING TIMES OF EMERGENT -- OF -- OF URGENT -- URGENT

NEED IN PERIODS OF HIGH DEMAND, SHOULD THEIR REGULAR SUPPLIER FAIL TO

DELIVER.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: MR. CROUCH.

MR. CROUCH: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD, PLEASE?

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: WILL THE

SPONSOR YIELD?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: THE SPONSOR

YIELDS.

MR. CROUCH: SO, WHAT'S THE GENESIS OF THIS

LEGISLATION?

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO, IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW

YEARS BACK AND EVEN LAST YEAR, EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF

HOMEOWNERS THAT DID NOT RECEIVE THEIR PROPANE DELIVERIES. THOSE

DELIVERIES WERE DELAYED OR MISSED COMPLETELY, AND THAT CAUSED A LOT OF

PROPERTY DAMAGE, A LOT OF DAMAGE THAT WAS UNABLE TO BE UNDONE,

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ACTUALLY. IN MY AREA AND ACROSS THE REGION, I HEARD FROM A LOT OF MY

CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY COULD NOT RECEIVE PROPANE DELIVERIES --

MR. CROUCH: COULD YOU --

MR. SANTABARBARA: -- AFTER MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS.

MR. CROUCH: -- COME JUST A LITTLE CLOSE TO YOUR

MIC?

MR. SANTABARBARA: OH, SORRY. OKAY.

MR. CROUCH: I'M SORRY.

MR. SANTABARBARA: IS THAT --

MR. CROUCH: SO DID -- HOW MANY CUSTOMERS WERE

INVOLVED IN THIS?

MR. SANTABARBARA: IT WAS LESS THIS YEAR, BUT A

FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THIS BILL WAS FIRST INTRODUCED, SEVERAL DOZEN, I

WOULD SAY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY, BUT IT WAS QUITE -- IT WAS

ENOUGH TO CAUSE CONCERN.

MR. CROUCH: THESE ARE FROM YOUR DISTRICT. I

WOULD ASSUME?

MR. SANTABARBARA: FROM MY DISTRICT, YEAH.

BUT THERE WERE OTHERS OUTSIDE THE AREA AS WELL THAT HAD SIMILAR -- A

SIMILAR EXPERIENCE.

MR. CROUCH: SO THESE ARE CUSTOMERS THAT HAD A

CONTRACT WITH THE FUEL COMPANY OR PROPANE COMPANY?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES. THESE ARE CUSTOMERS

PARTICULARLY THAT LEASE THEIR TANKS. HOMEOWNERS THAT OWN THEIR TANKS

DIDN'T RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY COULD GO TO MULTIPLE

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SUPPLIERS AS THEY CHOOSE. UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE THAT LEASE THEIR TANKS

ARE RESTRICTED TO JUST THE ONE SUPPLIER. SO WHEN THAT SUPPLIER FAILS TO

DELIVER, THEY WERE LITERALLY OUT IN THE COLD AND COULD NOT GO TO ANOTHER

SUPPLIER, EVEN IF IT WAS UNDER EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES.

MR. CROUCH: DID ANY OF THEM ACTUALLY RUN OUT OF

FUEL?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES.

MR. CROUCH: OKAY. WOULDN'T IT BE THAT IF THE FUEL

COMPANY FAILED TO DELIVER, THEY'VE ACTUALLY BROKEN THE CONTRACT AT THAT

POINT IN TIME?

MR. SANTABARBARA: WELL, THE BILL IS TRYING TO

ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF PEOPLE NOT HAVING THE HEAT IN THE MEANTIME. I

-- THERE'S CERTAINLY ISSUES BEYOND THIS BILL, AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING, BUT THIS

BILL INTENDS TO -- THIS BILL IS AIMED AT GETTING PEOPLE THE HEAT WHEN THEY

NEED IT. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF THAT CAN

CERTAINLY BE SORTED OUT LATER. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN'T HAVE

PEOPLE GOING FOR DAYS OR WEEKS WITHOUT HEAT. AND DURING THAT TIME

PERIOD WHEN THIS BILL WAS FIRST INTRODUCED, THERE WERE -- IT WAS

EXTREMELY COLD TIME OF THE YEAR AND THERE WAS A VERY HIGH DEMAND FOR

PROPANE.

MR. CROUCH: SO IF -- IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS

BARRING THEM FROM CALLING ANOTHER PROPANE COMPANY AT THIS TIME?

MR. SANTABARBARA: I'M SORRY?

MR. CROUCH: IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT

THEM FROM JUST GETTING ON THE PHONE AND THEIR CONTRACT DEALER IS NOT

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GOING TO DELIVER OR BE ABLE TO DELIVER? IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING

THEM FROM CALLING ANOTHER COMPANY AT THIS TIME?

MR. SANTABARBARA: I'M NOT -- I'M SORRY, I'M

HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: CAN WE

HAVE QUIET IN THE CHAMBER, PLEASE? WE ARE ON DEBATE.

MR. SANTABARBARA: YOU WERE ASKING IF THERE'S

ANYTHING STOPPING PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT NOW?

MR. CROUCH: THAT'S CORRECT.

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES. THE FACT THAT THEY

LEASE THEIR TANK, THEY'RE UNDER OBLIGATION ONLY TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE

SUPPLIER.

MR. CROUCH: SO WE HAVE A CONTAINER LAW, YOU'RE

SAYING, IN THE STATE THAT WOULD PREVENT ANY OTHER COMPANY TO FUEL --

FUEL THAT TANK?

MR. SANTABARBARA: COULD YOU REPEAT THAT

QUESTION?

MR. CROUCH: SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE ALREADY

HAVE A LAW SAYING THAT THEY CANNOT CALL ANOTHER COMPANY TO COME FILL

THAT -- THAT TANK?

MR. SANTABARBARA: NO, I'M TOLD THERE'S NO

LAW.

MR. CROUCH: OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING

THEM AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO CALL PROPANE COMPANY B AND SAY, LOOK,

I'M OUT OF FUEL. I NEED TO HAVE YOU COME FILL THIS TANK.

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MR. SANTABARBARA: WHAT PREVENTS THEM FROM

DOING THAT IS THEIR AGREEMENT, THEIR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE SUPPLIER.

MR. CROUCH: WHICH ALREADY HAS BEEN BROKEN

WHEN THE CONTRACTOR FAILED TO DELIVER.

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES, AND THAT'S EXACT --

MR. CROUCH: THEY'RE NOT -- THEY'RE NOT BOUND BY

THAT CONTRACT IF -- IF THE PROPANE COMPANY DIDN'T --

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO UNDER -- UNDER THE

CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE DESCRIBED, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN PEOPLE RAN OUT

OF THE FUEL, THE SUPPLIERS WOULDN'T DO THIS BECAUSE IT WAS UNCLEAR

WHETHER THEY COULD DO IT OR NOT. THIS -- THIS PUTS IT IN STATUTE THAT THEY

CAN DO IT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, HOW THEY CAN DO IT. THE

COMMISSIONER OF AG AND MARKETS WILL COME UP WITH THE REGULATIONS,

MAKE IT CLEAR. IT WILL BE PART OF FUTURE CONTRACTS ONCE THIS GOES INTO

LAW, SO THAT EVERY CUSTOMER WILL BE AWARE. AND ALSO, PROPANE

SUPPLIERS WILL BE AWARE THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE EMERGENCY DELIVERIES IF

PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY OUT AND NO ONE'S SHOWING UP TO DELIVER THAT

PROPANE.

MR. CROUCH: BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING

THEM FROM CALLING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WOULD SAY WE DON'T REALLY

NEED THIS BECAUSE THE -- THE PROPANE COMPANY HAS ALREADY BROKEN THE

CONTRACT. THEY FAILED TO DELIVER AS AGREED. SO MOST PROPANE DEALERS

UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY, THAT COULD BE SOME OTHER TANK, BUT THERE ARE

DEALERS OUT THERE THAT WILLINGLY WILL GO OUT AND FILL SOMEBODY ELSE'S

TANK, AND THAT PRESENTS A LIABILITY ISSUE IN MY MIND.

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MR. SANTABARBARA: WELL, IT IS NEEDED BECAUSE

THE REG -- WE NEED TO HAVE REGULATIONS ON WHEN THIS -- THIS IS DONE. IT'S

JUST NOT STANDARD PRACTICE THAT WE SEE THIS SORT OF THING HAPPEN. AND

YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE THAT DO IT OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T

THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT ON LEASED TANKS. SO THIS JUST

CLARIFIES SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE THAT IT CAN BE DONE, WHEN IT

CAN BE DONE. AND IT ALSO LIMITS WHEN IT CAN BE DONE, WHICH I THINK

PROTECTS EVERYBODY. AND -- AND IT IMPROVES THE INDUSTRY, BECAUSE YOU

CAN ONLY DO THIS IF YOU FAIL TO DELIVER OR IF THE DELIVERIES ARE DELAYED OR

MAYBE HAVE TOO MANY CUSTOMERS AND YOU CAN'T DELIVER, AND THIS ALLOWS

OTHER PROPANE COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND -- AND HELP EACH

OTHER OUT.

MR. CROUCH: ON THE LIABILITY ISSUE. IF SOMEBODY

COMES AND -- AND PUTS PROPANE IN A TANK THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM,

ARE THEY HELD LIABLE? I MEAN, HOW DO THE -- HOW DOES THE PERSON THAT

OWNS THE TANK, IF THERE'S DAMAGE TO THE -- THE TANK OR THE VALVE OR THE

REGULATOR, WHERE DOES THE LIABILITY FALL?

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO AGAIN, LIABILITY DOESN'T

CHANGE. IT -- IT'S AS ITS EXISTED --

MR. CROUCH: SO THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE TANK IS

LIABLE FOR ALL THE DAMAGES?

MR. SANTABARBARA: WHEN A TANK GOES EMPTY

THERE ARE CERTAIN TESTS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN; A LEAK TEST AND OTHER -- OTHER

INSPECTIONS. THE TANKS THEMSELVES HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. THOSE WOULD

ALL CONTINUE AS THEY DO TODAY. THE COMMISSIONER OF AG AND MARKETS

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WILL COME UP WITH THE REGULATIONS, THE RESPONSIBILITIES, WHAT THOSE

REQUIREMENTS ARE. LIABILITY IS UNCHANGED IN THIS. IF SOME -- IF THERE IS

SOMETHING THAT WERE TO HAPPEN EVEN TODAY, THERE'S A PROCEDURE WHETHER

IT'S -- WHETHER IT'S -- WHETHER IT'S COURTS OR WHATEVER THE LIABILITY, DOES

NEED TO BE SORTED OUT, AS IT WOULD BE TODAY.

MR. CROUCH: ISN'T THAT AN -- AN INFRINGEMENT ON --

MR. SANTABARBARA: I GUESS MY ANSWER IS IT

DOESN'T ADDRESS -- IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT. IF IT WAS GOING TO BE

ADDRESSED, THE COMMISSIONER OF AG AND MARKETS WOULD -- WOULD

SPEAK TO THAT.

MR. CROUCH: WELL, I THINK IT CREATES A -- A

PROBLEM. YOU'RE LEGISLATIVELY SAYING THE LIABILITY IS STILL WITH THE TANK

OWNER, AND HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO SUCK IT UP AND SUE MAYBE A COMPANY

THAT HE MAY NOT EVEN BEEN ABLE TO TRACK DOWN.

MR. SANTABARBARA: THE -- THE BILL DOESN'T SAY

THAT, THOUGH. THE BILL DOESN'T SAY THAT. SO IF THE TANK -- THE TANK -- THE

TANK IS LEASED, IT'S THERE. THERE'S NO WAY OF TELLING IF SOMETHING WERE

TO GO WRONG IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING EXISTING WITH THE TANK OR

SOMETHING A SECOND SUPPLIER DID, WE REALLY CAN'T PUT THAT INTO THE BILL.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO REMAIN AS IT IS TODAY. IF THERE WAS SOME

ISSUE WITH THE TANK OR SOME SORT OF LIABILITY THAT HAD TO BE SORTED OUT,

THAT WOULD BE SORTED OUT IN THE COURTS OR IN SOME OTHER MANNER.

MR. CROUCH: AND THAT COULD BE -- GET QUITE

EXPENSIVE, QUITE FRANKLY.

MR. SANTABARBARA: WELL, THAT HAPPENS TODAY.

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THAT'S UNCHANGED. IT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW.

MR. CROUCH: YUP. AND SO, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE

ANY LAW PREVENTING THAT TO HAPPEN. WE -- WE PASSED IT A COUPLE YEARS

AGO A COUPLE TIMES, THE GOVERNOR HAS VETOED IT AS FAR AS A CONTAINER

LAW. BUT IF -- IF WE LOOK AT THE DECLARING OF AN EMERGENCY, WHO

DECLARES AN EMERGENCY?

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO, FEDERAL, LOCAL OR STATE

OFFICIALS COULD DECLARE THAT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES DESCRIBED IN THE

BILL.

MR. CROUCH: MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CUSTOMER

COULD DECLARE AN EMERGENCY?

MR. SANTABARBARA: NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

MR. CROUCH: SO THEY CAN'T -- IT'S GOT TO BE

DECLARED AS AN EMERGENCY FROM THE COUNTY OR SOME OTHER EMERGENCY

MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YEAH. SO IT COULD BE A

PERIOD OF EXTREMELY COLD TEMPERATURES, IT COULD BE A SNOWSTORM, IT

COULD BE A -- IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO

THE OFFICIALS. BUT LET ME JUST SEE HERE. SO THAT'S -- I'M SORRY. THAT -- SO

THERE'S TWO -- TWO SECTIONS IN THE BILL. SO THE FIRST QUALIFYING

EMERGENCY IS A DECLARED FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY HAS

BEEN DECLARED, OR UNDER SEVERE WEATHER OR SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES

PLACING AN INDIVIDUAL IN IMMINENT DANGER OF DEATH OR INJURY, SUCH AS

NOT HAVING HEAT FOR WEEKS AT A TIME. SOMETHING LIKE -- OF THAT NATURE

WOULD ALSO TRIGGER THIS LAW TO TAKE EFFECT, SO...

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MR. CROUCH: SO, IF THE COUNTY EMERGENCY

MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR DECLARES THAT WE'VE GOT THIS COLD WEATHER, IT'S

GOING TO BE A HUGE STORM OR WHATEVER, AND THE CUSTOMER THINKS, WELL, I

MIGHT RUN OUT OF PROPANE. HE'S NOT OUT YET, BUT HE MIGHT RUN OUT, HE

THINKS HE MIGHT RUN OUT. SO HE CAN DECLARE AN EMERGENCY AND CALL THE

COMPANY AND SAY, I NEED TO BE TOPPED OFF RIGHT AWAY?

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO, THE -- SECTION B OF THE

QUALIFYING EMERGENCIES STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN -- IN IMMINENT

DANGER OF -- OF -- NOT -- OF DEATH OR INJURIES. THAT WOULD MEAN NOT

HAVING HEAT AT ALL.

MR. CROUCH: SO EVEN IF HE HAD 100 GALLONS IN A

TANK, THEN THIS WOULDN'T APPLY?

MR. SANTABARBARA: I DON'T THINK IT WOULD

APPLY, NO.

MR. CROUCH: EVEN THOUGH HE THOUGHT HE WAS

GOING TO RUN OUT --

MR. SANTABARBARA: AGAIN, I'M GOING TO REFER

YOU TO THE PART OF THE BILL WHERE THE COMMISSIONER OF AG AND MARKETS

WILL MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS AS TO WHEN, YOU KNOW, HOW LOW THE

TANK HAS TO BE, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THEY'RE

GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO SPELL THIS OUT AS TO WHEN

YOU CAN DO IT. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 90 PERCENT FILLED --

YOUR TANK IS 90 PERCENT FULL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE -- QUALIFY AS

-- AS ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. SO BUT AG AND MARKETS WILL COME UP

WITH THOSE REGULATIONS, GIVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS. THEY KNOW IT BEST,

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THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FREEDOM

TO DO THAT, TOO.

MR. CROUCH: OKAY. NOW, MOST FUEL OIL, PROPANE

COMPANIES, THEY DELIVER ON A DEGREE-DAY BASIS. THEY KEEP TRACK OF

YOUR NORMAL USAGE SO THEY'RE THERE. THEY ALWAYS TRY TO BE THERE EARLY.

MR. SANTABARBARA: YEAH.

MR. CROUCH: AND SO THEY PRETTY MUCH KNOW

WHERE YOU STAND AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR SUPPLY. THERE ARE

CUSTOMERS THAT EVEN UNDER THESE CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS THAT OPERATE

ON A WILL-CALL BASIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T -- THEY DON'T WANT TO ALL OF A

SUDDEN GET A BILL THAT THEY HADN'T EXPECTED THIS WEEK. THEY THINK THEY

WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THEY SEE IT DOWN TO 10 PERCENT OR WHATEVER AND THEN

CALL. BUT IF IT'S A DECLARED -- A CUSTOMER DECLARES AN EMERGENCY

SITUATION BECAUSE HE'S -- THINKS HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH PROPANE

TO GET THROUGH THE WEEKEND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THE

EXTREME COLD WEATHER, NORMAL COMPANIES CHARGE A DELIVERY CHARGE

WHICH IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR NORMAL REALM. ON A WILL-CALL BASIS, THEY'LL

TELL YOU, OKAY, WE'LL HAVE A TRUCK COMING BY IN FOUR DAYS. THAT'S --

THAT'S THE DAY OUR ROUTE COMES IN. AND -- BUT IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE A

SPECIAL DROP, THEY TYPICALLY CHARGE $150 FOR THAT SPECIAL DROP BECAUSE

THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT TRUCK OUT OF THEIR NORMAL SCHEDULE AND OUT OF THE

MILEAGE -- AS FAR AS MILEAGE GOES, IT'S OUT OF THE WAY. AND I'M

UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS BILL WOULD PREVENT ANY ADDITIONAL CHARGES.

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO IF THERE ARE SURCHARGES,

WHICH DO EXIST NOW FOR SPECIAL DELIVERIES AND A NUMBER OF OTHER

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CIRCUMSTANCES, IF DOES EXIST NOW. THEY CAN DO THAT. THEY CAN

CONTINUE TO CHARGE THOSE. WHAT THEY CAN'T DO IS GO ABOVE AND BEYOND

JUST BECAUSE THE -- THE CIRCUMSTANCE -- THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE IN EFFECT

HERE. SO IF THEY HAD A SURCHARGE TO MAKE A SPECIAL DELIVERY, THEY CAN

STILL CHARGE THAT. THEY JUST CAN'T CHARGE ANY MORE.

MR. CROUCH: SO THEY COULD -- THEY -- THEY STILL

COULD CHARGE $150, WHATEVER COMPANY DELIVERS, OR -- OR --

MR. SANTABARBARA: WHATEVER THEIR NORMAL

RATES ARE. SO, WHATEVER THEIR RATES ARE TODAY OR WHATEVER IS IN EFFECT FOR

EVERY CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO -- IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME FOR THESE

CUSTOMERS AS WELL.

MR. CROUCH: THANK YOU.

ON THE -- ON THE BILL, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: ON THE BILL.

MR. CROUCH: I APPRECIATE THE SPONSOR ANSWERING

THE QUESTIONS, BUT I -- I STILL HAVE A VERY LARGE CONCERN ON THE LIABILITY

ISSUE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A COMPANY THAT'S INVESTED IN THE -- THE STEEL

TANK AND THE REGULATORS AND ALL THIS STUFF, AND THEY'VE -- THEY'VE --

THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO GO OUT AND TEST IT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU

KNOW, IF -- IF THE TANK IS EMPTY, ANY -- ANY NEW SUPPLIER HAS TO GO OUT

AND TEST THAT TANK AND TEST THE SYSTEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF THE

LIABILITY -- IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THE NEW SUPPLIER COMES OUT AND

DAMAGES THE REGULATOR OR THE VALVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK

THAT THEY'RE GOING TO JUST STAND UP THERE AND SAY, HEY, I DID IT. I'M

GOING TO PAY FOR IT. MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE GOING TO HEAD OUT AND NOT

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-- NOT OWN UP TO THE DAMAGE. I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE POTENTIAL

LIABILITY ON THIS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR STATE LAWS

RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE A CONTAINER BILL. THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING

THIS CUSTOMER FROM CALLING UP XYZ PROPANE DEALER AND SAYING, LOOK,

I'M NOT GETTING MY SUPPLY FROM THIS OTHER GUY. I NEED TO HAVE A

DELIVERY. THE CONTRACT -- IF THE -- IF THE COMPANY'S NOT DELIVERING AS PER

THE CONTRACT, BASICALLY, I THINK THE CONTRACT IS BROKEN AT THAT POINT IN

TIME AND THE CUSTOMER COULD GO ON AND -- AND OBTAIN PROPANE FOR --

ANYWHERE HE CAN -- HE CAN FIND IT. I LIKEN THIS TO IF I PUT GAS IN YOUR

CAR, THAN I -- I'M -- I'M ABLE TO DRIVE THAT AS MUCH AS I WANT TO UNTIL THE

TANK RUNS OUT. AND REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR LIABILITY, YOU'RE STILL

LIABLE. IF I HAD AN ACCIDENT, YOU'RE STILL LIABLE BECAUSE IT'S YOUR

INSURANCE COMPANY.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE -- WE'RE GOING DOWN A SLIPPERY

SLOPE HERE AS FAR AS THE LIABILITY ISSUE, AND I'M -- I'M VERY, VERY MUCH

AGAINST THIS BILL. THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: THANK YOU.

MR. PALMESANO.

MR. PALMESANO: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WILL

THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR SOME QUESTIONS?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: THE SPONSOR

YIELDS.

MR. PALMESANO: THANK YOU, MR. SANTABARBARA.

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES.

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MR. PALMESANO: FIRST I WANT TO SAY I KNOW THE

INTENTION BEHIND THIS BILL IS WELL-INTENDED, AND I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED

THIS ON THE FLOOR BEFORE AND WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT IN PRIVATE. SO I

APPLAUD YOUR -- FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

AND CONCERNS SIMILAR TO ALONG THE LINE AS OUR COLLEAGUE DID. SPECIFIC --

SO WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, FIRST OF ALL, THAT IF A -- A COMPANY IS NOT

FULFILLING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING AN INDIVIDUAL

FROM CALLING ANOTHER COMPANY AND ASKING THEM TO COME FILL UP THEIR

TANKS AS OF RIGHT NOW. IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY'RE BREAKING THE CONTRACT,

THAT -- THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS --

MR. SANTABARBARA: WELL, THERE IS. THEY --

THEY -- THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED TO DO IT WITH -- WITH A LEASED TANK. SO

THERE IS SOMETHING PREVENTING THEM FROM DOING IT.

MR. PALMESANO: ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF THEY'RE -- IF

THEY'RE -- IF THEY'RE VIOLATING THE LAW. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE OTHER ISSUE

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, IS THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S

ANOTHER CONCERN, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ONE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE TANK

AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN TO SERVICE THAT TANK AND YOU -- YOU --

THAT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, SO TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN,

CERTAINLY, I THINK CALLS IN THE RIGHT -- PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND FROM A -- FROM

A -- FROM A PERSPECTIVE, DOESN'T THAT -- DOESN'T THAT AFFECT PROPERTY

RIGHTS FROM AN INDIVIDUAL'S PERSPECTIVE?

MR. SANTABARBARA: WELL, PROPANE COMPANIES

HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. THEY ALL HAVE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS TO MEET,

THEY ALL -- THEY ALL HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO DO INSPECTIONS. THEY'RE ALL

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LICENSED, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE TRAINED. ALL THE EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE

TRAINED. SO THEY ALL OPERATE UNDER THE SAME CIRCUM -- UNDER THE SAME

GUIDELINES, UNDER THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. SO PROPANE COMPANY A AND

PROPANE COMPANY B, THEY ALL HAVE BEEN TRAINED EXACTLY THE SAME HOW

TO -- WHAT TO LOOK FOR, HOW TO HANDLE -- HANDLE THESE TANKS. WHEN

TANKS ARE DEFICIENT, WHEN TANKS CAN'T BE FILLED, WHAT TESTS HAVE TO BE

DONE. SO WHETHER IT'S A LEASED TANK OR -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT OWN

THEIR TANKS, THEY CALL DIFFERENT SUPPLIERS ALL THE TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, THE

OWNER OWNS THE TANK BUT THEY GOT COMPANY A, COMPANY B, COMPANY

C ALL COMING TO SERVICE THAT SAME TANK BECAUSE THEY ALL OPERATE UNDER

THE SAME TRAINING AND THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS IS -- THIS IS

EXACTLY THE SAME AS IF YOU OWNED YOUR TANK.

MR. PALMESANO: WELL, ALONG THAT LINE, SAME LINE,

IF -- IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR PROPANE DEALER, DON'T YOU HAVE THE

ABILITY RIGHT NOW -- YOU CAN CONTACT ANOTHER DEALER AND ASK THEM TO

SWITCH OVER AND ASK THEM TO COME AND THEY WOULD -- THEY WOULD COME,

SWAP OUT THE TANK, PUT IN A NEW TANK, CERTIFY IT, MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY TO

WORK?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT.

THAT'S A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS. THAT TAKES TIME. I ACTUALLY DID ONE OF

THOSE DURING THAT COLD SPELL A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING.

IT WAS A -- A BIT OF TIME TO FIND SOMEBODY DURING THAT PERIOD OF HIGH

DEMAND TO GET OUT THERE TO ACTUALLY INSTALL THE SISTER TANK AND REMOVE

THE CONNECTIONS AND PUT THEM -- CONNECT THEM TO THE -- TO THE HOUSE

AND GET THE TANK FILLED. SO THAT COULD TAKE DAYS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. SO

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EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY - AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS AN ELDERLY COUPLE -

EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY IS A DAY WITHOUT HEAT. SO WHAT THIS BILL IS TRYING

TO DO TO IS TO ADDRESS THOSE DAYS WHERE PEOPLE ARE WAITING. SO THAT

CERTAINLY IS AN OPTION. THEY COULD DO THAT. BUT WHAT DO WE DO IN THE

MEANTIME? IN THE MEANTIME, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TEST THAT TANK. ALL

PROPANE COMPANIES KNOW HOW TO PERFORM THESE TESTS, MAKE SURE IT'S

GOOD, GET SOME PROPANE IN THERE, GET SOME HEAT IN THE HOUSE WHILE

THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT TO DO NEXT.

MR. PALMESANO: MY OTHER QUESTION BEFORE I GET

INTO A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES, HOW -- AND SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS FIRST, I

APOLOGIZE -- HOW HAS THIS BILL CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR OR PAST YEARS?

MR. SANTABARBARA: WE --

MR. PALMESANO: YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT AG AND

MARKETS. IS AG AND MARKETS A NEW PROPONENT TO THIS?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES. THAT'S -- THAT'S NEW.

WE CLARIFIED THE REGS, WHAT THE REGS WOULD INCLUDE. WE CLARIFIED WHAT

THE QUALIFYING EMERGENCIES WOULD BE. AND WE CLARIFIED THE CUSTOMER'S

-- THAT'S RIGHT -- THE CUSTOMER'S RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT THEIR REQUIRE --

WHAT'S REQUIRED ON THEIR PART BEFORE THEY CAN GO TO ANOTHER COMPANY.

SO JUST COME CLARIFICATIONS. WE MET WITH THE PROPANE ASSOCIATION AND

SOME OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO FIND OUT HOW WE COULD ADDRESS SOME

CONCERNS, AND WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO INCLUDE AS MUCH AS WE

COULD IN THIS BILL. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A -- IT'S A B VERSION NOW.

MR. PALMESANO: IS THERE -- IS THERE NOT ANY

CONCERN THAT IF ANYONE CAN JUST COME IN AND -- AND -- AND WORK ON

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SOMEONE'S TANK AT ANY TIME AND IF THERE'S SOME DAMAGE IS DONE, AND

NOW GETTING TO THE LIABILITY ISSUE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW -- SOMEONE

COMES IN, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. THEY MIGHT FILL UP OR THEY MIGHT

DAMAGE IT AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS. IT COULD BE A LEAK THAT THEY

CAUSED, IT COULD BE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS AND THEN AN ACCIDENT HAPPENS.

NOW THE PROBLEM -- CONCERN THAT'S RAISED IS, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED IN --

AND STATED THAT THE LIABILITY WOULD FALL WITH THE EXISTING TANK OWNER,

EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T THE ONES THERE WORKING ON IT, MIGHT HAVE

CAUSED THE PROBLEM ON IT. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, SO NOW THAT LIABILITY

STILL FALLS WITH THEM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN ABOUT HAVING ANYONE

BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND FILL A TANK IN THAT PERSPECTIVE, ISN'T IT?

MR. SANTABARBARA: BUT WHAT YOU DESCRIBED

NOW HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE THAT OWN THEIR TANKS. SO THEY GO TO MULTIPLE

SUPPLIERS ALL THE TIME. THEY'RE ALL QUALIFIED, THEY ALL HAVE TO DO THESE

INSPECTIONS. SO IT'S NOT A CONCERN BECAUSE IT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW WITH

PEOPLE THAT OWN THEIR TANKS. THEY CAN CALL ANYBODY. THEY CAN CALL

SOMEBODY FROM OUT-OF-STATE TO COME AND FILL IT IF THEY WANTED TO. THAT

-- YOU -- YOU -- YOU'D HAVE SOMEBODY COME AND FILL THAT TANK THAT'S

QUALIFIED TO DO SO. SO THESE INSPECTIONS AND MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS ON A

SINGLE TANK, THAT'S WHAT THE INSPECTIONS ARE FOR. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO

-- ONCE A TANK IS -- IS PUT INTO SERVICE IT REQUIRES AN INSPECTION AFTER 12

YEARS, FIVE YEARS AFTER THAT. THOSE INSPECTIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN. WHEN A

TANK IS EMPTY, WHEN THERE'S NO MORE GAS IN IT, A LEAK TEST IS REQUIRED.

YOU HAVE TO INSPECT ALL THE CONNECTIONS. ALL THE PROPANE COMPANIES

HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS OR THEY WOULD -- THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED

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TO DO BUSINESS IN NEW YORK STATE.

MR. PALMESANO: SO WHEN SOMEONE OWNS THEIR

OWN TANK VERSUS WHEN IT'S A LEASE, THEN THAT HOMEOWNER WOULD OWN

THE TANK, SO THEY -- THEY -- THEY WOULD BASICALLY ASSUME SOME LIABILITY

FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE BY OWNING THE TANK, BY LETTING OTHER PEOPLE COME

IN. WHEREAS IF IT'S LEASED, THE OWNER OF THE TANK WHO HAS IT AND

SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN, DOESN'T THAT KIND OF MUDDY UP THE LIABILITY

ISSUE A LITTLE BIT? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THAT?

MR. SANTABARBARA: NO, LIABILITY IS UNCHANGED.

LIABILITY WOULD BE ADDRESSED -- IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED TODAY IF

SOMETHING -- IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN. IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED

EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. AND, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THE -- AG AND

MARKETS IS GOING TO COME UP WITH REGULATIONS. IT'S GOING TO BE IN THESE

-- THIS IS GOING TO BE IN ADDITION -- IN -- IN ADDITION TO THESE PROPANE

CONTRACTS. THERE WILL BE A CLAUSE IN THERE, THERE -- IT'LL SPELL OUT THEIR

OUT THEIR BILL OF RIGHTS, THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. IT'LL TALK ABOUT THIS

SPECIFICALLY SO EVERYBODY WILL BE ON THE SAME PAGE, EVERYBODY WILL

KNOW WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.

MR. PALMESANO: HOW'S -- HOW'S SEVERE WEATHER

ACTUALLY DEFINED? BECAUSE WHEN I READ IT IT LOOKS LIKE -- THEN IT KIND OF

GOES ON AND WHEN I READ THE PART OF THE BILL, IT GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT

IMMINENT DANGER. IS THAT BASICALLY WHERE THE DEFINITION OF SEVERE

WEATHER IS?

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO THE IMMINENT -- THE

IMMINENT DANGER IS --

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MR. PALMESANO: HOW THAT'S DETERMINED?

MR. SANTABARBARA: -- YOU KNOW, THE

IMMINENT DANGER IS THERE'S NO HEAT, NO PROPANE, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, SUB

-- SUB-ZERO TEMPERATURES. SO, YOU KNOW, COLD TEMPERATURES.

MR. PALMESANO: OKAY. THANK YOU, MR.

SPEAKER. MR. -- MR. SPEAKER, ON THE BILL. THANK YOU, ANG.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: ON THE BILL.

MR. PALMESANO: YES. FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY

AGAIN TO THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL, I KNOW YOUR INTENTIONS ARE WELL MEANT

-- MEANT BY THIS LEGISLATION. I KNOW HE'S MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE

BILL, SOME POSITIVE CHANGES, I THINK, IN SOME REGARD. BUT I STILL CAN'T

GET PAST THIS ISSUE OF THE LIABILITY ISSUE. I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT

STILL NEEDS TO BE ADJUDICATED. I THINK WE'LL BE -- PROBLEMS AS WE MOVE

FORWARD WITH THIS IMPLEMENTATION OF IT. CERTAINLY, AG AND MARKETS HAS

GOT THEIR WORK CUT OUT FOR THEM WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS. I

THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. I THINK ALL THE --

OBVIOUSLY, THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I'M CONCERNED

ABOUT. YOU KNOW, HOW -- WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND CAN WORK ON

SOMEONE ELSE'S TANK, I JUST THINK THAT POSES A PROBLEM AND CREATES A LOT

OF GRAY AREA. I ALSO THINK YOU GOT A CONTRACTUAL ISSUE, BECAUSE BASICALLY

YOU'RE TAKING CONTRACTS AND CHANGING THE LANGUAGE OF CONTRACTS. THAT'S

GOT TO BE -- THAT'S GOT TO BE AMELIORATED -- AMELIORATED A LITTLE BIT AS

WELL. AND I KNOW AG AND MARKETS IS GOT TO LOOK AT THAT, SO THAT'S ONE

THING I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I JUST THINK -- I HAVE SOME CONCERNS

WITH THIS LEGISLATION. AGAIN, I THINK HE'S WELL-INTENDED WHAT HE'S TRYING

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TO DO. BUT BASED ON THE POINTS THAT WE BROUGHT UP IN THIS DISCUSSION,

I'M GOING TO BE VOTING IN THE NEGATIVE AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY

COLLEAGUES TO DO THE SAME.

THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: MR.

MCDONOUGH.

MR. MCDONOUGH: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

WOULD THE SPONSOR YIELD, PLEASE?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YES.

ACTING SPEAKER D. ROSENTHAL: THE SPONSOR

YIELDS.

MR. MCDONOUGH: THANK YOU, MR. SANTABARBARA.

I THINK I HEARD IN YOUR OPENING THAT YOU SAID - AND CORRECT ME IF I'M

WRONG - THIS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR DISTRICT DURING A COLD

SNAP. IS THAT WHAT GENERATED THIS BILL?

MR. SANTABARBARA: FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS,

YES.

MR. MCDONOUGH: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS:

THESE ARE THE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE DID CALL A DIFFERENT CONTRA --

DIFFERENT SUPPLIER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT OF GAS AND THEY

COULDN'T GET THEIR REGULAR SUPPLIER.

MR. SANTABARBARA: I'M NOT -- I GUESS I -- PART

OF IT I DIDN'T HEAR. I'M SORRY.

MR. MCDONOUGH: I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU SAY THAT

AGAIN?

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MR. SANTABARBARA: GO AHEAD. COULD YOU

REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID?

MR. MCDONOUGH: DID THEY -- IS THIS SITUATIONS

WHERE THEY CALLED ANOTHER SUPPLIER BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE OUT

OF GAS OR THEY WERE OUT OF -- OUT OF -- BECAUSE, YOU KNOW --

MR. SANTABARBARA: NO, THEY DIDN'T CALL

ANOTHER SUPPLIER. THEY HAD REPEATEDLY CALLED THEIR SUPPLIER WHO THEN

FAILED TO SHOW UP, OR PROMISED TO SHOW UP ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS AND

THEN DIDN'T SHOW UP AT ALL.

MR. MCDONOUGH: OKAY.

MR. SANTABARBARA: AND IT JUST KEPT GETTING

DELAYED. AND THAT'S WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO FIND

DIFFERENT WAYS TO HEAT THEIR HOME IN THE MEANTIME, WHICH CAUSES MORE

OF A DANGER WITH LITTLE SPACE HEATERS AND HOOKING UP -- DOING -- DOING

THINGS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO.

MR. MCDONOUGH: OKAY. WELL, AS WAS DISCUSSED

BY MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT POSSIBLE LIABILITY, IN ANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS -- I

GUESS YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH EACH OF THOSE SITUATIONS? WAS THERE ANY

CLAIM OF LIABILITY BY EITHER PARTY?

MR. SANTABARBARA: YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW

THE ANSWER TO THAT. THE -- YOU'RE SAYING DID THEY -- DID THEY GO -- DID

THEY TAKE ACTION AFTERWARDS?

MR. MCDONOUGH: YEAH, LIKE THE ORIGINAL

SUPPLIER WHO DIDN'T SHOW UP, AS YOU SAY --

MR. SANTABARBARA: SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH

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THE CONTRACT OR HAPPENED WITH THE -- THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I -- I THINK AT

LEAST A FEW OF THEM ENDED UP CHANGING SUPPLIERS. THEY JUST -- THEY JUST

HAD THEM TAKE THEIR TANK BACK AND THEY HAD A NEW TANK INSTALLED. I

DON'T -- I -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH EVERY SITUATION.

MR. MCDONOUGH: SO WOULD YOU SAY, THEN, IN

THOSE SITUATIONS YOU'RE AWARE OF, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN SO PART AS THE

CUSTOMER WAS CONCERNED?

MR. SANTABARBARA: NO, BECAUSE THEY WENT FOR

DAYS -- SO THE BILL IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE DAYS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE

ANY HEAT, NOT WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARDS. I'M SURE THERE'S REMEDIES THAT

EXIST NOW THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, CHANGE SUPPLIER, CHANGE TANKS.

YOU CAN DO A NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MEANTIME

WHEN YOU HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE DAYS WITHOUT HEAT, THAT'S WHAT THE

BILL IS INTENDED DO ADDRESS.

MR. MCDONOUGH: OKAY. SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE

HEAT, BUT DID THEY -- IN THOSE SITUATIONS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF, DID THEY

FINALLY GET THE SUPPLY BY A DIFFERENT SUPPLIER OR WAS IT BY THEIR ORIGINAL

CONTRACTOR?

MR. SANTABARBARA: THEY EVENTUALLY HAD THEIR

ORIGINAL -- SOME OF THEM SWITCHED -- YOU KNOW, WERE ABLE TO SWITCH

SUPPLIERS, GET A NEW TANK INSTALLED, AFTER -- AGAIN, AFTER A PERIOD WITHOUT

HEAT. SOME OF THEM DID EVENTUALLY -- THE DELIVERY DID EVENTUALLY MAKE

IT THERE, BUT IN SOME CASES IT WAS BEYOND A WEEK. IT WAS TEN DAYS, EVEN