WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2024                               10:45 A.M.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The House will come

                    to order.

                                 In the absence of clergy, let us pause for a moment of

                    silence.

                                 (Whereupon, a moment of silence was observed.)

                                 Visitors are invited to join the members in the Pledge

                    of Allegiance.

                                 (Whereupon, Acting Speaker Aubry led visitors and

                    members in the Pledge of Allegiance.)

                                 A quorum being present, the Clerk will read the

                    Journal of Tuesday, January 30th.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Mr. Speaker, I move to

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                    dispense with the further reading of the Journal of Tuesday, January

                    the 30th and that the same stand approved.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Without objection, so

                    ordered.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Thank you, sir.

                    Colleagues and guests that are in our Chambers, a lot different than

                    yesterday, right?  There's a quote I'd like to share from Dr. Martin

                    Luther King.  This one says, There comes a time when one must take a

                    position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must take

                    it because his conscience tells him it's right.  Again, these words from

                    the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.

                                 Members have on their desk an A-Calendar.  After

                    you have done any introductions and/or housekeeping, we're going to

                    take up resolutions on Page 3.  Our principal work for today, Mr.

                    Speaker and colleagues, will be Chapter Amendments, they will be on

                    debate.  We're going to start with Calendar No. 220 by Ms. Pheffer

                    Amato; followed by Calendar No. 235 by Mr. Magnarelli; and

                    Calendar No. 273 by Mr. Magnarelli, as well.  Then we're going to go

                    back to consent from the main Calendar where we left off, beginning

                    with Calendar No. 72, it's on Page 13.  There may be a need for

                    additional floor activity today, Mr. Speaker.  If so, I will announce at

                    the right moment; however, to be clear, Majority members we will be

                    immediately going into a conference when we conclude our work on

                    the floor today.  And so far, Mr. Goodell has not suggested that they

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                    may need to have the same.

                                 So that's a general outline where we are, Mr. Speaker.

                    If you have any introductions or housekeeping, you should feel free to

                    do so now.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  We will go

                    immediately to the resolutions on page 3.


                                 Assembly No. 819, the Clerk will read.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly Resolution No. 819, Ms.

                    Jean-Pierre.

                                 Legislative Resolution memorializing Governor

                    Kathy Hochul to proclaim January 2024, as Cervical Cancer

                    Awareness Month in the State of New York.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On the resolution, all

                    those in favor signify by saying aye; opposed, no.  The resolution is

                    adopted.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly Resolution No. 820, Mr.

                    Cunningham.

                                 Legislative Resolution memorializing Governor

                    Kathy Hochul to proclaim January 2024, as CBD Month in the State

                    of New York.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On the resolution, all

                    those in favor signify by saying aye; opposed, no.  The resolution is

                    adopted.

                                 Page 35, Calendar No. 220, the Clerk will read.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A08513, Calendar No.

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                    220, Pheffer Amato.  An act to amend the Civil Service Law, in

                    relation to requirements for issuing civil service examination

                    announcements.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On a motion by Ms.

                    Pheffer Amato, the Senate bill is before the House.  The Senate bill is

                    advanced.  And, Ms. Pheffer Amato, an explanation has been

                    requested.

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  Good morning.  This bill

                    will implement the Chapter Amendment to Chapter 358 of 2023,

                    relating to the issuance of Civil Service Exam announcements.  This

                    Chapter Amendment provides that the Department of Civil Service

                    and Muncipal Civil Service Commission shall provide notice to

                    competitive examinations of public entities, and allow such public

                    entities to receive electronic notifications.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, Mr. Speaker.  Would

                    the sponsor yield for some questions?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Ms. Pheffer Amato?

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  Yes.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Ms. Pheffer Amato

                    yields, sir.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you.  Last year the original

                    bill that you sponsored passed this House unanimously,

                    congratulations.

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  Thank you.

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                                 MR. GOODELL:  Strong bipartisan support.  And

                    that required notice of job openings and Civil Service opportunities to

                    be provided to all colleges and universities, all school districts, and all

                    both private and public educational institutions.  The Chapter

                    Amendment, if I understand correctly, now only requires those notices

                    go to public school districts, public colleges, public universities.  Why

                    are we amending the law to exclude a requirement that these notices

                    also be sent to private entities?

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  The intent was always for

                    the public colleges, it was not for the private colleges, so we just

                    adjusted it to that statement.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  But as a matter of public policy,

                    doesn't the State of New York want to recruit the very best people

                    they can, whether they go to a public college or a private college?

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  Nothing stops in this bill

                    from preventing to go to the non-public colleges.  So they can reach

                    out or we can work with them, but the language was meant for the

                    public colleges to push throughout that -- those venues.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  So as a matter of public policy,

                    though, shouldn't the State be recruiting the best qualified candidates

                    including those from private colleges?

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  Well, as a public

                    university graduate, I think we did get some of the best, but I hear

                    what you're saying.  I think it's open to all.  These notices are -- Civil

                    Service Exams are open to everyone, it's just we're looking at the

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                    public colleges to give more access in those places where probably

                    was not getting as public -- as the private colleges have.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  I see.  Now, this bill of course

                    doesn't change the requirements for Civil Service, right, you would

                    still have to meet whatever educational or experience requirements

                    that are required for the position that is posted then as a Civil Service

                    job listing?

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  Nothing changes.  Our

                    goal was to have more ability to expose that working in public service

                    is a great opportunity.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Could you address how this notice

                    requirement that seeks to attract the best and the brightest from public

                    colleges and universities in New York is consistent with the

                    Governor's most recent memorandum in Civil Service saying they're

                    waiving minimum educational requirements and waiving minimum

                    experience requirements if you're here as an asylum seeker or an

                    undocumented immigrant.  Aren't those two positions diametrically

                    opposed?  On one hand, we're saying if you're a New York resident

                    graduating from a New York college or university, you have to meet

                    these minimum standards and we want them, and then on the other

                    hand, if you came here illegally or without documentation you don't

                    have to meet them?  How are those two concepts consistent, or is it

                    just one of those facts of (inaudible) that sometimes you go in

                    opposite directions at the same time?

                                 MS. PHEFFER AMATO:  That has nothing to do

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                    with this amendment.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you very much.  I

                    appreciate your comments.

                                 On the bill, sir.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On the bill, Mr.

                    Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  As I mentioned, this House

                    unanimously supported the sponsor's original legislation and I

                    commend her for that and it was a great idea.  The concept of the

                    original legislation is we'll send out Civil Service notices of vacancies

                    to all the colleges and universities and public and private schools in

                    New York State so that we, as a State, can do our very best to recruit

                    the best and brightest.  That's a great idea.

                                 Now, the Chapter Amendment is required by the

                    Governor, and we all know that.  The Chapter Amendment wasn't

                    something the bill sponsor said, hey, I like this, this is a great idea,

                    let's -- let's narrow the scope of our original bill.  Let's no longer send

                    notices of vacancies to any of the private colleges or universities in

                    New York State.  That's just simply bad public policy.  We want to

                    recruit the best and brightest whether they come through our great

                    public school system, public colleges or whether they come through

                    our private schools and our private colleges, and we have a number of

                    great colleges that are private in New York State and we want to make

                    sure those students have the opportunity and know about Civil Service

                    exams so that the taxpayers know they're getting the best and the

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                    brightest when it comes to our recruitment efforts in the State of New

                    York.  For that reason, I will oppose this bill.  Although as I

                    mentioned, I very much appreciate the sponsor's original bill, which is

                    much better than the bill being forced upon us through a Chapter

                    Amendment from the Governor's Office.  Thank you, sir.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you.

                                 Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect immediately.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  A party vote has

                    been requested.

                                 Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, sir.  As a reflection of

                    our support of the original legislation as opposed to the amendment,

                    the Republican Conference will generally be opposed to the

                    amendment on this bill.  Thank you, sir.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Thank you, Mr.

                    Speaker.  The Majority Conference is going to be in favor of this piece

                    of legislation.  However, there may be some who desire to be an

                    exception, they should feel free to do so at their seats.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The Clerk will record

                    the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

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                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

                                 The bill is passed.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Thank you, Mr.

                    Speaker, for allowing me this brief opportunity to introduce a guest

                    that's in the Chambers.  She is a guest of our colleague, Member

                    Reyes.  Her name is Dawn Rowe.  Dawn is the CEO of Girls Vow.

                    Girls Vow is an organization that works to find and help relocate

                    missing girls of color.  You know there's always been a disparity when

                    sometimes young women of color are not found as expedient as they

                    could be, and Ms. Rowe's work is to make sure that that moves

                    further, faster, and quicker in identifying where these young ladies are

                    and getting them back home.  We really want to honor her work that

                    she's done around these issues.  Mr. Speaker, so if you could please

                    welcome her to our floor and give her the cordialities of the House.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Certainly.  On behalf

                    of Mrs. Peoples-Stokes, Ms. Reyes, the Speaker and all the members,

                    we welcome you here to the New York State Assembly, extend to you

                    the privileges of the floor.  Our congratulations and our thanks for the

                    work that you're doing to ensure that when young women are missing,

                    equally they are found, they are devoted the same amount of attention

                    as anyone else.  Please know that we will always be behind you.

                    Thank you so very much.

                                 (Applause)

                                 Page 36, Calendar No. 235, the Clerk will read.

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                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A08490, Calendar No.

                    235, Magnarelli, Cunningham.  An act to amend the Vehicle and

                    Traffic Law, in relation to the display of green lights on the vehicles of

                    members of mobile crisis teams.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On a motion by Mr.

                    Magnarelli, the Senate bill is before the House.  The Senate bill is

                    advanced.

                                 Mr. Magnarelli, a explanation has been requested.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Thank you, Mr. Speaker.  Let

                    me just get my act together here just for a second.  This one's green

                    light - I got the wrong bill.  Huh.  Here we go.  Very simple

                    explanation.  All right.  Okay.  This bill is a Chapter Amendment to

                    Chapter 686 of the Laws of 2023 relating to the -- okay.  I got to get

                    myself on the right bill, excuse me.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Okay.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Okay.  Relating to the use of

                    green lights by mobile crisis teams.  The bill would change the entity

                    authorizing mobile crisis team members to use the green courtesy light

                    from the State Office of Mental Health or Office of Addiction

                    Services and Supports to a mobile team's director or person in a

                    similar role.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, sir.  Would the sponsor

                    yield?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Magnarelli, will

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                    you yield?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Yes, I will.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Magnarelli

                    yields, sir.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, Mr. Magnarelli.  I

                    should tell you that I can appreciate the challenges sometimes of being

                    on the right bill, and I have a full-time staff person who's assigned just

                    for that purpose.  And even then --

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  You have many more to go

                    over than I do and I still fouled it up.  How can that happen, huh?

                                 MR. GOODELL:  But even with a full-time staff

                    person, once in a while I discover that the Speaker's called up the

                    wrong bill.

                                 (Laughter)

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  It's always my fault.

                                 (Laughter)

                                 MR. GOODELL:  So, as I understand it from your

                    explanation, the original bill-in-chief would authorize the Office of

                    Mental Health -- the State Office of Mental Health, or the State Office

                    of Addiction Services and Support to authorize a green light for a

                    mobile crisis team.  And this bill removes that approval process that

                    involves the State agencies and instead says that the local mobile

                    crisis team director could authorize green lights on cars, correct?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Correct.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Why do we want to move the

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                    authority from the State agencies that are charged with the

                    responsibility of running those programs to a local crisis team

                    director?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  I believe it's just easier to

                    manage and less burdensome to make sure that the people that need or

                    -- need to have these lights get to the crisis that they're going to will be

                    able to do so.  And that the people who are managing them will make

                    those decisions.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  I see.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  If they -- you know, if they

                    don't do it in a proper way it'll be revoked.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  And this -- that's the only change

                    in this?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  That's the only change.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, Mr. Magnarelli.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Thank you, sir.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  On the bill, sir.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On the bill Mr.

                    Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Last year we had a significant

                    number of no votes because of a concern over the proliferation of

                    green lights.  Under prior law, green lights were only allowed on

                    volunteer ambulances, and there was a great concern that if more and

                    more people started using green lights, the impact in terms of the

                    public's reaction when they see a green light will be dissipated.  So

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                    prior to the bill-in-chief, you saw a green light, you know it was a

                    volunteer ambulance, you responded appropriately.  And as more and

                    more green lights start appearing on the road, it becomes less and

                    impactful and, as a result, many of the volunteer firemen were very

                    opposed to this legislation.

                                 The Chapter Amendment takes the original

                    legislation and essentially expands it by saying instead of being under

                    State supervision and going through that review, the local mobile

                    home -- mobile crisis director could issue authorization for green

                    lights with really no statutory guidance at all, and it takes a problem

                    that was identified last year and makes it, in my opinion, more likely

                    to occur and worse.

                                 And so for those reasons, I will be opposing it and

                    recommend my colleagues do the same.  Thank you, sir.  And again,

                    thank you to Mr. Magnarelli for his explanation.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect on the 180th

                    day.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  A party vote has

                    been requested.

                                 Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, sir.  The Republican

                    Conference is generally opposed, as we were last year, but if those

                    members here would like to support this, I certainly encourage them

                    to vote yes at their seat.  Thank you, sir.

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Thank you, Mr.

                    Speaker.  The Majority Conference is generally going to be in favor of

                    this piece of legislation.  However, there could be a few that would

                    desire to be an exception, they should feel free to do so at their seats.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you.

                                 The Clerk will record the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

                                 The bill is passed.

                                 Page 37, Calender No. 273, the Clerk will read.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A08491, Calendar No.

                    273, Magnarelli, Lupardo.  An act to amend the Railroad Law, in

                    relation to requiring certain trains and locomotives to have a crew size

                    of not less than two persons.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  An explanation is

                    requested, Mr. Magnarelli.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Thank you.  And I think I

                    have the right bill this time.

                                 This bill is a Chapter Amendment to Chapter 707 of

                    the Laws of 2023, which requires a minimum two-person crew to be

                    on board freight trains or freight locomotives operated by railroad

                    carriers with more than $20 million in annual operating revenue.  The

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                    bill clarifies that a train must be moving hazardous material for the

                    crew requirement to apply.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, sir.  Would the sponsor

                    yield?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Magnarelli, will

                    you yield?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Yes.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Magnarelli

                    yields.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, Mr. Magnarelli.  The

                    bill-in-chief last year required a two-man crew on all of these trains as

                    you defined them, regardless of the cargo, correct?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Well, they must be

                    transporting hazardous material.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  And that's the Chapter

                    Amendment?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  That's the Chapter

                    Amendment.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  So the Chapter Amendment took

                    the bill last year, which applied to all trains, and reduced it to only

                    those trains that are transporting hazardous material.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Correct.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  And what percent of trains

                    transport hazardous material?

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                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  I would think just about all of

                    them.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  I would think so, too.  Was -- I see

                    the definition of "hazardous material" references Federal regulations,

                    correct?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Yes.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  And so does that mean, then, that

                    if the United States Secretary of Transportation amends the regulation,

                    it automatically in effect amends New York State law, or amends the

                    scope of the New York State law?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Well, I think there are - this is

                    where the cases come in - I think those regulations have been

                    challenged in court and, as you know, we have one court going one

                    way and another court going another way, so the Federal question is

                    still a question.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  But -- I appreciate that, but the

                    definition of hazardous waste in this bill is based on regulations issued

                    by the U.S. Department of Transportation, correct?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  So if they change the

                    definition for hazardous waste, is that --  hazardous material, that's

                    what you're talking about?  Yes, it would change it.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  So the scope of a law adopted by

                    this Legislature depends on actions of an unelected bureaucrat in

                    Albany -- or in Washington, D.C.?  But isn't -- doesn't the New York

                    State Constitution say that only this Legislature can make laws, not --

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                    we don't have the authority, do we, to delegate lawmaking authority

                    through a bureaucrat in Washington, D.C., do we?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  I don't believe we're

                    delegating anything.  The regulation is there.  It's in existence now and

                    that's what we're alluding to.  If it changes, we, of course, can come

                    back and do whatever we want.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  And does this statutory language

                    that you're proposing say as it exists currently?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  I think it just says -- it just

                    recites it.  It just recites the regulation.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  And so is it your intent that if this

                    is amended, this Legislature has to come back into Session and

                    readopt this section?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Doesn't have to, but it could.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  I see.  I mean, my first

                    Constitutional concern is I think we cannot constitutionally delegate

                    lawmaking authority to a different governmental entity, or even the

                    bureaucrats, which this legislation does because if they change the

                    definition of hazardous waste it'll either make this law broader or

                    narrower without our vote.  But the second concern I have is in Article

                    III -- sorry, Article III, Section 16 of the New York State Constitution

                    which states, No act shall be passed which shall provide that any

                    existing law, or any part thereof, shall be made or deemed to be made

                    part of the act, or which shall enact that any existing law, or part

                    thereof, shall be applicable, except by inserting it in the act.  In other

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                    words, our State Constitution prohibits incorporation by reference.

                    And the reason we prohibit incorporation by reference, there's a

                    couple of great reasons.  First of all, many of the members here in this

                    Chamber might not be really knowledgeable over what some other

                    incorporated statute states, or in this case, a Federal regulation.

                    Because although we have a great database here at our desks, that

                    database does not include Federal regulations, which means that no

                    one here on the floor of this Assembly can use our existing database

                    provided by the Assembly to even look up what this bill means.  But

                    the second reason is because when you incorporate by reference, a

                    change in the reference law changes the meaning and scope of the

                    original law.  How do we get around the constitutional prohibition on

                    incorporation by reference?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Well, I just disagree with you.

                    I don't believe that's what we're doing.  I think it's very specific.  It's

                    pointing to a specific part of the U.S. Code, and what they're doing is

                    just stating what -- not trying to define what hazardous substances are,

                    it's material designated as hazardous.  So to me it's very specific and if

                    that list was increased because there are new things that come up, so

                    be it.  And if there's something that we wanted to change because we

                    didn't feel that that was appropriate, we could do that.  But right now

                    in passing this bill, you know exactly what's being done.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Now, I see that the Federal

                    Railroad Administration initiated the proposed rulemaking dealing

                    specifically with this subject, and they initiated that proposed

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                    rulemaking in July of 2022.  And according to the very recent posting

                    by the Office of Management and Budget, they anticipate the final

                    rule by the Federal Railroad Administration dealing with this subject

                    is anticipated in March of this year, in two months.  Shouldn't we

                    simply wait two months and see what the Federal Railroad

                    Administration is proposing before we take action?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Well, my answer to that is no,

                    but I'll be looking for it.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Along those lines, isn't that clear

                    that the Federal Railroad Administration has the ability to preempt

                    State Law on this subject, on railroad subjects?

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Yes, it does.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  So we're asked to amend the law

                    and pass a Chapter Amendment today knowing that in two months

                    new rules will come out from the Federal Railroad Administration and

                    they may preempt what we're doing today and make what we're doing

                    today irrelevant.

                                 MR. MAGNARELLI:  Correct.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, Mr. Magnarelli.  As

                    always, I appreciate your time.

                                 Sir, on the bill.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  On the bill, Mr.

                    Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Over the years, the railroad

                    industry has worked very hard to improve the efficiency of our

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                    railroads.  And in that connection, all of our large railroad

                    locomotives have what's known as a dead-man switch, meaning if for

                    any reason the engineer loses consciousness or -- or has a problem and

                    lets go of the control, the train automatically stops.  These movies

                    about runaway trains are for movies and not reality.

                                 In addition, since 2020, the Federal Railroad

                    Commission has required that all trains and all train lines have what

                    are known as positive train control.  And positive train control

                    automatically reduces the speed of the locomotive or stops the

                    locomotive when approaching curves or trains that may be stopped on

                    the track or other hazards.  And so, the danger of an engineer losing

                    consciousness or not paying attention have been addressed and

                    addressed very effectively with technology.

                                 So what this bill does is requires that every train

                    going through New York State with hazardous material, which the

                    sponsor I think correctly identified as virtually every train, has to have

                    twice as many crew members, which means we'd increase -- we

                    double the cost of engineers to the railroads, which means all of our

                    consumers will pay more.  And I suspect that the sponsor is right

                    about his characterization that all trains likely carry hazardous

                    material because as suspected diesel itself is probably considered a

                    hazardous material, and each locomotive carries up to 5,000 gallons of

                    diesel.  So you see a train going by with three locomotives, it could

                    have 15,000 gallons of diesel fuel.

                                 Now, my residents are all saying, hey, what are you

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                    doing to reduce our costs?  And what we're doing here is adding to

                    their cost one little slice at a time, 250 for this registration, new filing

                    fees for this, double cost for the train crew.  And we do it knowing

                    that the Federal Government is going to issue rules on this issue and if

                    they can preempt anything we do and they can either require a

                    two-person train crew or prohibit it.  So it seems to me that before we

                    double the costs of operating a train from a labor management

                    perspective, even though all these safety features are now incorporated

                    in every train and have been since 2020, maybe we should step back,

                    recognize the expertise of the Federal Railroad Commission that does

                    this work as experts instead of passing this legislation.

                                 Now, I note the original bill had 27 no votes - I'm just

                    checking to make sure - 28 no votes.  This Chapter Amendment

                    makes virtually no significant changes, and so I will not be supporting

                    it.  Thank you, sir.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect on the 30th

                    day.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  A party vote has

                    been requested.

                                 Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  Thank you, sir.  The Republican

                    Conference is generally opposed.  Some colleagues may support this

                    and, if so, they should vote yes on the floor.  Thank you, sir.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you.

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                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Thank you, Mr.

                    Speaker.  Member -- many of our Majority Conference have these

                    freight trains that ride through their neighborhoods on a regular basis,

                    we'd like to take the safety approach and support this piece of

                    legislation the entire Conference.  However, there could be a few

                    people who want to be an exception, please feel free to do so.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you, Mrs.

                    Peoples-Stokes.

                                 The Clerk will record the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

                                 The bill is passed.

                                 We will go to Page 13, Calendar No. 72 on consent.

                    The Clerk will read.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02479, Calendar No.

                    72, Hevesi, Epstein, Simon, McDonough, Clark, Alvarez, Jackson,

                    Raga, Seawright, Gibbs.  An act to amend the Social Services Law, in

                    relation to the administration of the statewide central register of child

                    abuse and maltreatment.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect immediately.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  One minute.  Hold

                    on.

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                                 Mr. Goodell.

                                 MR. GOODELL:  I apologize, sir.  Lay this bill aside,

                    please.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02500, Calendar No.

                    73, Paulin, Seawright, Epstein, Dinowitz, Hevesi, González-Rojas,

                    Jacobson, Davila, Simon, Steck, Lee, Weprin, Kelles, Ardila, Bores,

                    L. Rosenthal.  An act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in

                    relation to the former crime of loitering for purpose of engaging in a

                    prostitution offense and expunging criminal records for persons

                    previously convicted of such crime.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02546, Calendar No.

                    74, Colton, Rivera, Cruz, Aubry, DeStefano, Dickens, Hyndman,

                    Williams, Taylor, Jacobson, Seawright, Bendett.  An act to amend the

                    Vehicle and Traffic Law, in relation to parking infractions.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02570-A, Calendar

                    No. 75, Colton, L. Rosenthal, Walker, Cook, Seawright, Dickens,

                    Taylor, Glick, Williams, Rivera, Darling.  An act to amend the Public

                    Authorities Law, in relation to providing notification to customers of

                    bed bug infestations on MTA subways, trains and buses.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02677-A, Calendar

                    No. 76, Rozic, Barrett, Bronson, Fahy, Hunter, Lupardo, Magnarelli,

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                    Otis, Santabarbara, Seawright, Simon, Steck, Stirpe, Zebrowski,

                    Wallace, Dickens, Vanel, Pheffer Amato, Lavine, Jean-Pierre, Kim,

                    Bichotte Hermelyn, Davila, Colton, L. Rosenthal, Williams, Carroll,

                    Epstein, Dinowitz, Paulin, Jones, Weprin, Peoples-Stokes, McMahon,

                    Friend, Reyes, Cruz, McDonough, Brabenec, Palmesano, Ra, Walsh,

                    Jacobson, Shimsky.  An act to amend the Transportation Law, in

                    relation to a State transportation plan.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect immediately.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The Clerk will record

                    the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

                                 The bill is passed.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02741, Calendar No.

                    78, Paulin, Septimo, Magnarelli, Gunther, Jacobson, McDonough,

                    DeStefano, Durso, K. Brown, Dickens.  An act to amend the Insurance

                    Law, in relation to summaries of readable and understandable

                    insurance policies.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02794, Calendar No.

                    79, Paulin, Seawright, Bichotte Hermelyn, Sayegh, Simon.  An act to

                    amend the Public Health Law, in relation to requiring the Department

                    of Health to develop and maternal health care providers to distribute

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                    written information about episiotomy to maternity patients.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect on the 180th

                    day.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The Clerk will record

                    the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

                                 The bill is passed.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02866, Calendar No.

                    81, Pheffer Amato, Jones, Wallace, Benedetto, Zinerman, Cruz,

                    Weprin, Otis, Sillitti.  An act to amend the Insurance Law, in relation

                    to homeowners insurance deductibles triggers.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02882, Calendar No.

                    82, Dinowitz, Tapia, Weprin, Kelles, Forrest, Raga, Epstein.  An act

                    to amend the Penal Law, in relation to warnings to be posted and

                    provided by firearms dealers.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02883, Calendar No.

                    83, Epstein, Santabarbara, Jacobson, Hunter, Simon, L. Rosenthal,

                    Seawright, Magnarelli, Glick, Cook, Reyes, Mitaynes, Cunningham.

                    An act to amend the Civil Practice Law and Rules, in relation to

                    requiring a certificate of merit in proceedings to recover possession of

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                    real property.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A02898-A, Calendar

                    No. 84, Carroll, Epstein, Shimsky, González-Rojas, McDonald,

                    Dinowitz, Gallagher, Seawright, Jean-Pierre, Thiele, Cunningham,

                    Woerner, K. Brown, Forrest, Simon, Weprin, Magnarelli, Ardila,

                    McMahon, Hevesi.  An act to amend the Insurance Law, in relation to

                    requiring certain insurance policies to cover neuropsychological

                    exams for dyslexia.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect January 1st.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The Clerk will record

                    the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

                                 The bill is passed.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03102, Calendar No.

                    85, Magnarelli, Santabarbara, Paulin, Fahy, Shimsky, Darling, Thiele,

                    Kelles, Gunther, Levenberg, Sillitti.  An act to amend the Vehicle and

                    Traffic Law, in relation to prohibiting the registration of certain

                    stretch limousines.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03177, Calendar No.

                    87, O'Donnell, Jackson.  An act to amend the Criminal Procedure

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                    Law, in relation to grand jury proceedings.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03231, Calendar No.

                    89, Epstein.  An act to amend the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law, in

                    relation to making the provisions governing the various on-premises

                    liquor licenses consistent with respect to public interest factors that

                    may be considered by the State Liquor Authority when evaluating the

                    merits of a licensee application.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03241, Calendar No.

                    90, Paulin, Gunther, L. Rosenthal, Woerner, Fahy, Taylor, Carroll,

                    Jacobson, Simon, Seawright, Sayegh, Burdick, Jean-Pierre,

                    González-Rojas, Forrest, Weprin, Levenberg, Bichotte Hermelyn.  An

                    act to amend the Public Health Law and the Insurance Law, in relation

                    to premium reduction for obstetric practitioners who complete a risk

                    management strategies course.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03412-B, Calendar

                    No. 92, Epstein, Simon, Burdick, Seawright, Kelles, González-Rojas,

                    Meeks, Forrest, Mamdani, Cruz, Taylor, Carroll, Shrestha, Rivera,

                    Raga, Gibbs, Darling, Aubry, Pretlow, Gallagher, Ardila,

                    Cunningham, Anderson, Burgos, Bores, Walker, Levenberg,

                    Novakhov, Reyes, Septimo, De Los Santos, Solages, Jackson, Glick,

                    Simone, Chandler-Waterman, Alvarez, Bronson, Clark, L. Rosenthal,

                    Hevesi, Tapia, Mitaynes, Dickens, Zaccaro, Bichotte Hermelyn, Lee,

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                    Lucas, Otis, Dilan.  Concurrent Resolution of the Senate and

                    Assembly proposing an amendment to Article 1 of the Constitution, in

                    relation to the abolition of slavery for persons convicted of crimes.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03499-A, Calendar

                    No. 93, Carroll, Stirpe, Reyes, Taylor, Dickens, DeStefano, Ramos,

                    Milkulin, Sayegh, Smith, Williams, Cook, Seawright, Reilly, Miller,

                    Rozic, Epstein, Cruz, Steck, Ra, Benedetto, Jacobson, Hyndman,

                    Thiele, Lavine, Stern, Jones, Buttenschon, Braunstein, Fall, Paulin, L.

                    Rosenthal, Wallace, Dilan, Aubry, Jean-Pierre, Darling, Walker,

                    Anderson, Jackson, Raga.  An act to amend the General Business Law

                    and the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in relation to automobile broker

                    businesses.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03703, Calendar No.

                    94, Epstein, Carroll, Colton, Dickens, Dilan, Glick, Hevesi, Kim,

                    Peoples-Stokes, Pretlow, L. Rosenthal, Simon, Pheffer Amato,

                    Seawright, Reyes, Eachus, Lee, Cunningham.  An act to amend the

                    Public Health Law, in relation to the closure of nursing homes.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03715-A, Calendar

                    No. 95, Paulin, Otis, Fahy, Jacobson, McDonald.  An act to amend the

                    Not-for-Profit Corporation Law and the Public Authorities Law, in

                    relation to the applicability of open meetings and freedom of

                    information laws to certain not-for-profit corporations.

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03769, Calendar No.

                    98, Pheffer Amato, Colton.  An act to amend the Civil Service Law, in

                    relation to the appointment and promotion of supervisors of the fire

                    alarm dispatcher service.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03772, Calendar No.

                    99, Weinstein, Zebrowski, Seawright, Taylor, Dickens.  An act to

                    amend the Mental Hygiene Law, in relation to requiring petitioners for

                    appointment of a guardian to identify other persons who may be able

                    to manage the affairs of an incapacitated person.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The bill is laid aside.


                                 THE CLERK:  Assembly No. A03798-A, Calendar

                    No. 100, L. Rosenthal, Weprin.  An act to amend the Public Health

                    Law and the Education Law, in relation to authorizing emergency

                    medical service personnel to provide basic first aid to cats and dogs

                    under certain circumstances.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Read the last section.

                                 THE CLERK:  This act shall take effect on the 365th

                    day.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The Clerk will record

                    the vote.

                                 (The Clerk recorded the vote.)

                                 Are there any other votes?  Announce the results.

                                 (The Clerk announced the results.)

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                                 The bill is passed.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes for the purposes of a

                    introduction.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Thank you, Mr.

                    Speaker.  At the very end of our, at least floor work today, we have

                    the pleasure of introducing some students who are up above us from

                    the Northern Schoolhouse of Orange County.  They're from

                    Middletown, New York, and they're represented by our colleague

                    Assemblymember Gunther.  Could you please offer them the

                    cordialities of the House and welcome them, please.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Certainly.  On behalf

                    of Mrs. Peoples-Stokes, the Speaker and all the members, we

                    welcome you here to the New York State Assembly.  We extend to

                    you the privileges of the floor.  Thank you for joining us.  Hope you

                    have had a great trip here to Albany.  Thank you very much.

                                 (Applause)

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Mr. Speaker, do you

                    have any further housekeeping or resolutions?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  We do have one

                    resolution here, Mrs. Peoples-Stokes, and we will take it up with one

                    vote, and I recommend all members to read this.  It's an extraordinary

                    story in this resolution.

                                 On the resolution, all those in favor signify by saying

                    aye; opposed, no.  The resolution is adopted.

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                                 (Whereupon, Assembly Resolution No. 821 was

                    unanimously approved.)

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  Mr. Speaker, could you

                    please recognize Mr. Jacobson for the purposes of an announcement?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Mr. Jacobson for the

                    purposes of a announcement.

                                 MR. JACOBSON:  Well, it's that time again.  We're

                    going to have conference for the Majority right after Session in

                    Hearing Room C.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  Thank you, Mr.

                    Jacobson.

                                 Mrs. Peoples-Stokes.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  I now move that the

                    Assembly stand adjourned until Thursday, February the 1st, tomorrow

                    being a legislative day, and that we reconvene at 2:00 p.m., February

                    the 5th, Monday being a Session day.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER AUBRY:  The Assembly stands

                    adjourned.

                                 (Whereupon, at 12:02 p.m., the Assembly stood

                    adjourned until Thursday, February 1st, Thursday being a legislative

                    day, and to reconvene on Monday, February 5th at 2:00 p.m., Monday

                    being a Session day.)





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