WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2026 1:13 P.M.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE HOUSE WILL

COME TO ORDER.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COLLEAGUES.

IN THE ABSENCE OF CLERGY, LET US PAUSE FOR A MOMENT OF

SILENCE.

(WHEREUPON, A MOMENT OF SILENCE WAS OBSERVED.)

VISITORS ARE INVITED TO JOIN THE MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE

OF ALLEGIANCE.

(WHEREUPON, ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER LED VISITORS AND

MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.)

A QUORUM BEING PRESENT, THE CLERK WILL READ THE

JOURNAL OF TUESDAY, JANUARY 27TH.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

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MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MADAM SPEAKER, I MOVE

TO DISPENSE WITH THE FURTHER READING OF THE JOURNAL OF TUESDAY, JANUARY

THE 27TH, AND THAT THE SAME STAND APPROVED.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WITHOUT OBJECTION,

SO ORDERED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: I WELCOME COLLEAGUES TO

THE CHAMBERS TODAY AND THE GUESTS THAT ARE WITH US AS WELL.

I HAVE A QUOTE WE LIKE TO START OUT WITH. THIS ONE IS

FROM ALICE WALKER. MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW HER. SHE'S AN AFRICAN

AMERICAN WOMAN, NOVELIST AND A SHORT STORYTELLER. HER WORDS FOR US

TODAY: THE MOST COMMON WAY PEOPLE GIVE UP THEIR POWER IS BY

THINKING THEY DON'T HAVE IT. AGAIN, THESE WORDS ARE FROM THE VERY

ESTEEMED ALICE WALKER.

MADAM SPEAKER, COLLEAGUES HAVE ON THEIR DESK A

MAIN CALENDAR AND BEFORE YOU DO ANY HOUSEKEEPING OR INTRODUCTIONS,

WE'RE GOING TO BE CALLING FOR THE FOLLOWING COMMITTEES OFF THE FLOOR:

TODAY WE'RE GOING TO START WITH WAYS AND MEANS AND IMMEDIATELY

FOLLOW IT WITH RULES. THESE COMMITTEES ARE GOING TO PRODUCE AN

A-CALENDAR, OF WHICH WE WILL TAKE UP TODAY.

AFTER HOUSEKEEPING AND INTRODUCTIONS, WE WILL TAKE

UP DEBATE, CALENDAR NO. 241 BY MS. PAULIN. THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR

ADDITIONAL FLOOR ACTIVITY AS WE PROCEED, MADAM SPEAKER. IF THAT IS THE

CASE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ADVISE.

MAJORITY MEMBERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE WILL

DEFINITELY BE A NEED FOR A CONFERENCE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING OUR WORK

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

ON THE FLOOR AND AS ALWAYS, WE WILL CHECK WITH OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE

OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR NEEDS, IF ANY, MAY BE.

THAT'S THE GENERAL OUTLINE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TODAY.

MADAM SPEAKER, IF YOU COULD BEGIN BY CALLING THE

WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WAYS AND MEANS

COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM. PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY

TO SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM, WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE

MEMBERS.

WE DO HAVE A PIECE OF HOUSEKEEPING.

ON A MOTION BY MR. DINOWITZ, PAGE 21, CALENDAR NO.

92, BILL NO. 2565, THE AMENDMENTS ARE RECEIVED AND ADOPTED.

WE HAVE NO INTRODUCTIONS SO WE'RE GOING TO GO

STRAIGHT INTO OUR WORK.

MEMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ON DEBATE SO TAKE YOUR

SEAT, TAKE YOUR CONVERSATION OUTSIDE.

PAGE 45, CALENDAR NO. 241, THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09217, CALENDAR NO.

241, PAULIN, SEAWRIGHT, OTIS, HEVESI, ROSENTHAL. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

PENAL LAW, IN RELATION TO EXCLUDING CERTAIN MEDICATION FROM BEING

DEEMED UNLAWFUL TO PRESCRIBE OR DISPENSE; AND TO AMEND THE

EDUCATION LAW, IN RELATION TO EXCLUDING CERTAIN MEDICATION FROM BEING

DEEMED MISBRANDED.

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ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION MS.

PAULIN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

AN EXPLANATION HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

MS. PAULIN.

MS. PAULIN: THANK YOU, MISS SPEAKER. THE BILL

WOULD ENSURE THAT STATE LAW DID NOT PROHIBIT THE PRESCRIBING OR

DISPENSING OF MIFEPRISTONE, OR ANY DRUG USE FOR MEDICATION ABORTION,

SOLELY BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL FOOD AND DRUG

ADMINISTRATION.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: MS. WALSH.

MS. WALSH: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. WILL THE

SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

MS. PAULIN: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MS. WALSH: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I GUESS THE

FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST TO WALK THROUGH THE BILL -- I APPRECIATE

YOUR EXPLANATION, BUT TO WALK THROUGH THE BILL, THE CHANGES THAT IT

MAKES SPECIFICALLY TO THE PENAL LAW AND TO THE EDUCATION LAW AND JUST

KIND OF START FROM -- START FROM THERE IF WE COULD.

MS. PAULIN: SURE.

MS. WALSH: SO FIRST OFF, DOES THIS BILL APPLY TO

BOTH MIFEPRISTONE AND MISOPROSTOL? AM I SAYING THAT --

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MS. PAULIN: (CROSS-TALK) I DON'T KNOW, WE NEED

JOHN. (LAUGHING) SO IT APPLIES TO ANY DRUG THAT IS INVOLVED WITH

MEDICATION ABORTION THAT THERE WOULD BE A -- A CHANGE IN THE FEDERAL

FDA APPROVAL FOR.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. SO -- AND THE REASON I ASK THAT

IS THAT IT LOOKS AS THOUGH, AS I'VE READ ACCOUNTS OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE

STUDIED BY THE FDA, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT MIFEPRISTONE.

BUT THIS BILL IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT -- A LITTLE BIT BROADER IN THE SENSE THAT

IT COVERS ANY MEDICATIONS USED TO PERFORM A MEDICATION ABORTION,

CORRECT?

MS. PAULIN: I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY TWO, SO WE JUST

COVER BOTH JUST TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW. IT'S -- IT

HASN'T BEEN PREDICTABLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS COMING OUT OF THE

ADMINISTRATION.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. YEAH, I NOTICED THAT -- SO IN THE

REFERENCE I WOULD JUST GIVE FOR COLLEAGUES, IS PAGE 1, LINE 17 OF THE BILL,

IT SPECIFICALLY NAMES MIFEPRISTONE BUT THEN IT SAYS, "OR ANY DRUG USED

FOR MEDICATION ABORTION." SO THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL IS COVERING, CORRECT?

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO THE -- COULD

YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PORTION OF THIS BILL THAT SPECIFICALLY DEALS

WITH CHANGES TO THE PENAL LAW AND THE CRIMINAL DIVERSION ACT, MORE

SPECIFICALLY --

MS. PAULIN: RIGHT.

MS. WALSH: -- THAT'S IN SECTION 178?

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MS. PAULIN: SO THE FIRST TWO SECTIONS OF THE BILL ARE

REALLY DEFINITIONS AND IT'S THE CHANGE IN SECTION 3 THAT IS REALLY THE --

THE HEART OF THE BILL.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. AND COULD -- COULD YOU --

COULD YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT THE -- WHAT THAT SECTION DOES?

MS. PAULIN: SURE. SO IT -- IT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS FOR

ANY EXISTING DRUG IN THE SAME -- IN THE WAY WE DESCRIBED, THAT'S IN ON

THE SHELF OF THE PHARMACY ALREADY, SO IT ALREADY IS THERE, BUT IT'S LABELED

FOR USE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY USED FOR MEDICATION ABORTIONS. SO IF IT'S

LABELED FOR THAT USE, IT COULD STILL BE USED. YOU KNOW, ONCE THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT CHANGES IT, THEN THE LABELS WOULD CHANGE. AND THAT

WOULDN'T REALLY APPLY ANYMORE.

MS. WALSH: SO IF IT -- JUST TO -- TO RECAP WHAT YOU

JUST EXPLAINED THEN, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS, IF -- IF MIFEPRISTONE IS

ON A PHARMACY SHELF, OR IS, YOU KNOW, IS ALREADY HERE READY TO BE

PRESCRIBED AND THE -- THE BLACK BOX WARNING THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THAT

DRUG CHANGES IN ANY WAY, IT -- IT MAY STILL BE PRESCRIBED WITHOUT FALLING

PREY OR -- OR SUBJECT TO THE CRIMINAL DIVERSION ACT UNDER THE PENAL

LAW, CORRECT?

MS. PAULIN: SO WE PROTECT OUR -- OUR PROFESSIONALS

HERE IN NEW YORK FOR THE EXISTING DRUGS THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE USING.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. SO AS FAR AS -- I WAS LOOKING AT

A 2023 PRESS RELEASE FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND IN IT THE GOVERNOR

STATED THAT NEW YORK WAS GOING TO BEGIN STOCKPILING UP TO FIVE YEARS

OF DOSES OF MISOPRIS -- MISOPROSTOL.

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MS. PAULIN: IT'S OKAY, WE CAN CALL IT SOME

NICKNAME.

MS. WALSH: YEAH. I -- I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO. BUT IT

WAS GOING -- SO IT -- IT -- DOES THE BILL CONTEMPLATE THAT ANYTHING THAT'S

BEEN STOCKPILED -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED OR NOT --

MS. PAULIN: I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAPPENED EITHER.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. BUT IF IT DID HAPPEN AND WE DO

HAVE SOME KIND OF A STOCKPILE OF ONE, OR EITHER, OR ANY OF THOSE

ABORTION PRODUCING MEDICATIONS FOR MEDICATION ABORTION --

MS. PAULIN: IT WOULD APPLY.

MS. WALSH: -- IT WOULD APPLY TO THAT AS WELL.

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO THE SECTION

ABOUT THE EDUCATION LAW ADDRESSES SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND I'M

LOOKING AT PAGE 2 OF THE BILL, SECTION 2. COULD YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE

-- THAT PORTION OF THE BILL, WHAT THAT DOES?

MS. PAULIN: SURE. LET ME JUST REREAD IT.

(PAUSE)

(CROSS-TALK)

MS. WALSH: ALL RIGHT.

MS. PAULIN: YEAH. THAT'S WHERE I WAS REALLY

TALKING ABOUT --

(CROSS-TALK) (INDISCERNIBLE)

MS. WALSH: -- BEFORE.

MS. PAULIN: YEAH.

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MS. WALSH: IT'D BE SECTION 3 I'M TALKING ABOUT.

MS. PAULIN: YEAH. SECTION...

MS. WALSH: I APOLOGIZE, YEAH.

MS. PAULIN: SO WHICH SECTION? I'M SORRY?

MS. WALSH: SECTION 3 WHICH IS -- TALKS ABOUT

SECTION 6815 OF THE EDUCATION LAW BEING AMENDED.

MS. PAULIN: SO THAT'S THE PART OF THE BILL THAT DOES

ESSENTIALLY SAY THAT IT'S NOT DEEMED ADULTERATED OR MISBRANDED. SO

THAT'S REALLY THE PART THAT PROTECTS, YOU KNOW, THE PHARMACIST FROM --

WHO WOULD BE DISPENSING THE -- THE DRUG FROM BEING -- YOU KNOW,

FROM DOING ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE.

MS. WALSH: LIKE ANY KIND OF PROFESSIONAL --

MS. PAULIN: YEAH.

MS. WALSH: -- LICENSURE ISSUE --

MS. PAULIN: EXACTLY.

MS. WALSH: -- OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS A RESULT?

MS. PAULIN: YEAH.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I -- I MENTIONED

BEFORE, BUT THE -- THE MIFEPRISTONE ALREADY HAS A BLACK BOX WARNING

CURRENTLY THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT SERIOUS AND SOMETIMES FATAL INFECTIONS

AND BLEEDING OCCUR VERY RARELY, IS WHAT THE BLACK BOX CURRENTLY SAYS,

FOLLOWING SPONTANEOUS SURGICAL AND MEDICAL ABORTIONS. AND IT TALKS

ABOUT VERY RARELY DEATHS HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN PATIENTS WHO PRESENTED

WITHOUT FEVER, WITH OR WITHOUT ABDOMINAL PAIN, ET CETERA. SO WHAT --

WHAT DO YOU THINK -- I MEAN, THE FDA IS GOING TO BE STUDYING THIS, WE

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KNOW FROM THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DIRECTOR, RFK JR., THAT HE

-- HE'S GOING TO TAKE -- HE'S DIRECTED FDA TO TAKE A TOP TO BOTTOM

REVIEW OF THE EFFICACY -- SAFETY AND EFFICACY OF THESE DRUGS. WHAT IS

THE FEAR -- IS THERE A FEAR THAT THE FDA IS GOING TO COME OUT IN -- IN A

PARTICULAR WAY --

MS. PAULIN: SO THERE WAS --

MS. WALSH: -- BECAUSE THE STUDY WASN'T COMPLETED

OR ANYTHING RIGHT? THE --

MS. PAULIN: WELL, THERE -- THERE WAS ONE STUDY THAT

WAS DONE BY A -- A GROUP THAT HAS BEEN LABELED ANTI-CHOICE WHOSE DONE

A STUDY AND THAT STUDY'S BEEN REFUTED BY, I'M GOING TO SAY, LEGITIMATE

SCIENTISTS, KAISER FOUNDATION, AS BEING, YOU KNOW, A STUDY THAT DOESN'T

REALLY FOLLOW SCIENTIFIC PROTOCOL. AND SO THE CONCERN IS THAT THAT STUDY

IS BEING USED TO -- AND WAS CITED AS THE BASIS FOR A CONTINUED REVIEW.

SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A REAL REVIEW, WHETHER OR NOT

THE FDA'S GOING TO LOOK AT REAL SCIENTIFIC STUDIES, OR NOT. THE CONCERN

IS NOT THAT. IF THEY DO THAT, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER

STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, IT'S GOING TO SHOW THAT IT'S LESS THAN ONE

PERCENT HAVE SERIOUS IMPACT. UNLIKE A DRUG LIKE A VIAGRA, WHICH ALSO

HAS THE SAME KIND OF BLACK BOX, WHICH HAS A TWO PERCENT SERIOUS RATE.

IN FACT, VIAGRA HAS -- CAN CAUSE DANGEROUS DROPS IN BLOOD PRESSURE,

SUDDEN RARE OR SERIOUS REDUCTION OR LOSS OF VISION OR HEARING, HEART

ATTACKS AND STROKES AND YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS GROUP, I'M NOT

GOING TO SAY WHAT ELSE IT COULD CAUSE BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE

EMBARRASSING. SO -- SO I THINK THAT IT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE THOSE

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KINDS OF WARNINGS ON MEDICATIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE

COUNTER DISPENSED. AND I WOULD ARGUE, BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER BILL

THAT DOES THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT -- THAT -- THE -- THE SAFETY MEASURES AND

THE -- AND THE USE OVER TIME, IT'S -- IT'S -- IT'S, YOU KNOW, MIFEPRISTONE IS

USED IN 100 COUNTRIES. IT'S -- MEDICATION ABORTION IS USED IN 100

COUNTRIES, SAFELY AND AFFECTIVELY WITH SUCH FEW INSTANCES OF

SERIOUSNESS THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IF THOSE ARE THE STUDIES THAT ARE DONE,

AND I WOULD SAY THAT A BROADER EVIDENCE IS THE FACT THAT SO MANY

WOMEN HAVE USED IT OVER TIME, THEN I WOULD FEEL VERY CONFIDENT. BUT I

FEAR, HAVING LOOKED AT THE ONE STUDY, WHICH HAS BEEN, AGAIN, DEBUNKED

BY MANY SCIENTISTS, THAT -- THAT'S WHAT IS THE BASIS. WE HAVE -- WE HAVE

TO DO THIS.

MS. WALSH: SO THAT -- BUT THAT -- AND I THINK YOU'RE

REFERRING TO THE ETHICS AND PUBLIC POLICY CENTER STUDY THAT LOOKED AT

865,000 CASES BETWEEN 2017 AND 2023 AND REPORTED NEARLY 11% SAW

COMPLICATIONS LIKE SEPSIS, HEMORRHAGING, INFECTION AND ER VISITS AND

-- WHICH WOULD BE 22 TIMES HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT FDA LABEL, WHICH

SAYS .05% OF COMPLICATIONS. THAT STUDY, WHICH WAS NOT AN FDA STUDY

THOUGH, CORRECT?

MS. PAULIN: THAT WAS CORRECT. IT WASN'T IN -- ALL

STUDIES ARE REALLY DONE BY THE FDA. THEIR -- THE FDA LOOKS AT

CLINICALLY-APPROPRIATE STUDIES. SO THEY COULD LOOK AT THAT ONE, BUT IT

WASN'T SPONSORED OR ASKED FOR BY THEM.

MS. WALSH: THAT'S RIGHT. SO IN RFK JR.'S LETTER TO

SENATORS, THERE WERE 22 SENATORS FROM REPUBLICAN STATES WHO WERE

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ASKING FOR THIS REVIEW OF THESE ABORTION MEDICATION DRUGS. BACK IN

SEPTEMBER OF 2025, HE STATED THAT FDA'S OWN DATA -- OWN DATA

COLLECTED BETWEEN 2000 TO 2012, INDICATING 2,740 ADVERSE EVENTS,

INCLUDING 416 EVENTS INVOLVING BLOOD LOSS REQUIRING TRANSFUSION. THAT

APPEARS TO BE DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT FROM THAT ETHICS AND PUBLIC POLICY

CENTER STUDY THAT I KNOW -- AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT IN YOUR

MEMORANDUM OF SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION, SAYING THAT THAT WAS

CONSIDERED TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN UNRELIABLE OR -- OR --

MS. PAULIN: NO, NO, NO. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT --

MS. WALSH: MAYBE NOT UNRELIABLE. I DON'T KNOW

WHAT -- WHAT ADJECTIVE YOU'D WANT TO USE, BUT NOT -- NOT IN LINE WITH

OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT SINCE MIFEPRISTONE HAS BEEN

APPROVED FOR THIS USE IN 2000 TO THE PRESENT TIME, IT'S -- THAT THIS -- THAT

IT'S AN OUTLIER IN TERMS OF RESEARCH.

MS. PAULIN: I THINK THAT ALL DRUGS, YOU KNOW, THAT

THEY KEEP A RECORD ON ADVERSE EFFECTS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHETHER OR NOT

TO PULL THEM. ABSOLUTELY.

MS. WALSH: YEAH.

MS. PAULIN: THE DATA THAT THEY'RE CITING, THOUGH

AND THAT THEY'VE CITED, SHOULD, YOU KNOW, AREN'T THAT SERIOUS

COMPARATIVE TO OTHER DRUGS. AGAIN, LIKE A VIAGRA, WHERE THE

SERIOUSNESS AND THE LEVEL OF REPORTING IS EVEN HIGHER, BUT YET WE DON'T

SEE THAT DRUG BEING PULLED FROM THE MARKET OR BEING REEVALUATED. SO I

DO THINK THAT THERE'S A POLITICAL CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WITH -- OR, YOU

KNOW, A LEGITIMATE CONCERN HERE THAT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

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WHATEVER WE HAVE, NO ONE IS BEING JEOPARDIZED BY SENDING IT OUT

BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.

MS. WALSH: SO -- AND ALSO TWO OTHER STATES HAVE

ESSENTIALLY DONE VERY SIMILAR LEGISLATION --

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MS. WALSH: -- TO WHAT THIS IS PROPOSING, RIGHT?

CALIFORNIA AND ILLINOIS, CORRECT?

MS. PAULIN: YES. I BELIEVE SO, THERE MIGHT EVEN

BE A THIRD. I'M LOOKING.

(PAUSE)

MS. WALSH: THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT I WAS LOOKING

MS. PAULIN: YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, I -- YEAH. IN THIS

PILE I HAVE IT SO I'LL LOOK AS I'M -- WE'RE TALKING.

MS. WALSH: YUP. YUP. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS THE

LAST THING I KIND OF WANTED TO TOUCH ON WAS THE FACT THAT THIS LEGISLATION

CONTEMPLATES THAT MOVING FORWARD, AS LONG AS THE WHO, THE WORLD

HEALTH ORGANIZATION, IN ITS CLINICAL GUIDANCE SAYS THAT THIS IS -- THESE

MEDICATIONS ARE SAFE TO PRESCRIBE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FDA MAY OR

MAY NOT SAY AND THAT -- THAT WE'RE GOING TO JUST ADOPT WHAT THE WHO IS

SAYING.

MS. PAULIN: SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN THE

INSURANCE LAW, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAME -- SAME DRUG, I THINK TWO YEARS

AGO. SO I -- I -- YEAH. SO THAT IS THE -- THIS IS WHAT THE END -- WHAT

WE'RE ANTICIPATING.

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MS. WALSH: OKAY.

MS. PAULIN: AND YOU WERE RIGHT, CALIFORNIA AND

ILLINOIS AND NOT A THIRD ONE.

MS. WALSH: OKAY.

MS. PAULIN: YEAH.

MS. WALSH: DO -- DO WE DO THAT FOR -- HAVE WE

DONE THAT FOR ANY OTHER MEDICATION THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE WE'VE --

MS. PAULIN: NO. NOT IN NEW YORK STATE LAW.

MS. WALSH: OKAY.

MS. PAULIN: NOT THAT I'M AWARE.

MS. WALSH: OKAY. JUST -- JUST THESE DRUGS.

MS. PAULIN: JUST THIS FOR REASONS THAT I THINK WE ALL

KNOW.

MS. WALSH: YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

MADAM SPEAKER, I'LL GO ON THE BILL AND I DO NOTICE

THAT I'M RUNNING SHORT ON MY FIRST 15 MINUTES AND SO I'M GOING TO

ANTICIPATE AND SAY THAT I'M GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT TO

WRAP UP AND I'D LIKE TO EXERCISE MY SECOND 15 WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

(PAUSE)

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ONE MOMENT, MS.

WALSH.

MR. FALL FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

MR. FALL: YES, MADAM SPEAKER. WOULD YOU

PLEASE CALL THE RULES COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM?

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ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU. RULES

COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM. RULES

COMMITTEE TO THE SPEAKER'S CONFERENCE ROOM.

MS. WALSH, ON --

MS. WALSH: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. SO I'LL --

I WILL AT THIS POINT GO ON THE BILL. THANK YOU.

SO MY COLLEAGUES, SO THIS -- THIS BILL TODAY IS

INTERESTING IN THE SENSE THAT WE -- WE DON'T DO THIS FOR ANY OTHER

MEDICATION THAT I'M AWARE OF, WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE'RE

CONCERNED THAT THE FDA -- THAT -- WILL -- WILL STUDY THESE ABORTION

MEDICATION DRUGS AND WILL SOMEHOW ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR CURRENT

METHOD IN NEW YORK OF PRESCRIBING THEM EITHER DIRECTLY TO A PATIENT,

OR THROUGH MAIL OR TELEHEALTH AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE

ALLOW THESE ABORTION MEDICATIONS TO BE DISTRIBUTED IN NEW YORK

CURRENTLY.

SO I -- I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO JUST TAKE A

LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN NEW YORK STATE JUST SINCE I'VE BEEN

ELECTED. SO IN 20 -- IN 2019, WE HAD THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ACT,

ALLOWING ABORTIONS AFTER 24 WEEKS. THEN IN 2019, WE HAD AN

EXPANSION OF PROVIDERS THAT AUTHORIZED NURSE PRACTITIONERS, PAS AND

MIDWIVES TO PERFORM ABORTIONS. IN 2019, WE ALSO HAD THE

COMPREHENSIVE CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE ACT, MANDATED INSURANCE

COVERAGE FOR CONTRACEPTION. IN 2022 AND 2023, WE'VE HAD SHIELD LAWS

IMPLEMENTED, LEGAL PROTECTIONS FOR PROVIDERS AND PATIENTS TRAVELING TO

NEW YORK FOR ABORTION CARE AND LAST YEAR, WE HAD A BILL THAT PASSED

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AND IS LAW NOW, SHIELDING -- A SHIELD LAW ALLOWING FOR THE PRESCRIBER

NAME AND ADDRESS TO BE REMOVED FROM LABELS.

SO, IT'S BEEN NOTED THAT IN -- IN THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE

DONE THAT STARTING AROUND 2023, EVEN IF YOU LOOK NATIONWIDE, DURING --

DURING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THERE WAS AN EXPANSION TO ALLOWING

MORE TELEHEALTH AND MORE MAIL ORDER PRESCRIPTIONS -- OR NOT MAIL ORDER

PRESCRIPTIONS, BUT PRESCRIPTIONS SENT BY MAIL FOR ABORTION CARE. AND

PERHAPS BECAUSE OF THAT EXPANSION, THERE WERE, AS I MENTIONED PRIOR,

THERE WERE 22 SENATORS THAT WROTE A LETTER OF CONCERN TO THE HHS

DIRECTOR, ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR., ASKING FOR THESE ABORTION DRUGS TO BE

REVIEWED, SPECIFICALLY MIFEPRISTONE, WHICH IS ONE PART OF THE TWO PART

COCKTAIL THAT RESULTS IN ABORTION THE WAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S

DISPENSED, GENERALLY SPEAKING. SO THAT -- IT DID CITE I BELIEVE THAT THE

SENATORS DID RAISE THIS RESEARCH THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS ETHICS AND

PUBLIC POLICY CENTER STUDY. I THINK THAT THAT STUDY MAY HAVE PROVIDED

MORE OF A -- I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS MORE OF A CATALYST FOR ASKING FOR THE

EXAMINATION INTO THE EFFICACY AND SAFETY OF THESE MEDICATIONS. BUT

ALSO IN RFK JR.'S LETTER OF RESPONSE TO THE SENATORS, HE STATES THAT THE

FDA'S OWN DATA COLLECTED SHOWED THAT BETWEEN 20 -- 2000 TO 2012,

THERE WERE 2,740 ADVERSE EVENTS, INCLUDING 416 EVENTS INVOLVING BLOOD

LOSS REQUIRING TRANSFUSIONS. SO EVEN IF WE SAY, AS THE SPONSOR I BELIEVE

IS SAYING, THAT THE ETHICS AND PUBLIC POLICY CENTER STUDY IS NOT TO BE

COMPLETELY CREDITED BECAUSE IT'S -- IT'S MAYBE OVER-AMPLIFYING THE

NUMBER OF COMPLICATIONS. EVEN IF WE THINK THAT IT'S GREATER THAN THE

.05% THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BLACK BOX WARNING FOR THIS MEDICATION, I

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WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT THE

DATA ACTUALLY SHOWS AND DOING A STUDY, AND THAT STUDY HAS NOT BEEN

COMPLETED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STUDY IS GOING TO SAY. I MEAN, I

WILL -- I'LL ADMIT THAT SOMETIMES IT'S EXCITING TO HEAR WHAT THE HHS

DIRECTOR IS SAYING, RIGHT. I MEAN HE'S COMING OUT WITH STATEMENTS

ABOUT ADDITIVES AND -- AND DYES AND STUFF IN FOOD, OR THE USE OF SUGAR,

OR THE USE OF ALCOHOL AND SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE GENERAL, YOU

KNOW, MAYBE AGREEMENT, MAYBE EVEN AN APPRECIATION THAT HE'S TAKING

THE LEAD IN TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. BUT THERE IS AN

UNCERTAINTY IN KNOWING WHAT THIS REPORT AND WHAT THIS STUDY IS GOING TO

SHOW, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT IT SHOWS, UNTIL WE

KNOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLY

CHANGING THE WARNING, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT HE STATED -- RFK STATED IN

HIS LETTER. HE SAID MAYBE THAT THERE WOULD A CHANGE IN THE BLACK BOX

WARNING THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE MIFEPRISTONE. BUT REGARDLESS, WE

DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STUDY'S GOING TO SHOW. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF

PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE. I THINK THIS IS -- WE'RE ENGAGING

IN A LITTLE BIT OF HYPOTHETICAL FDA RESCISSION, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHESIS

HERE OF WHAT'S -- WHAT FDA'S GOING TO COME OUT WITH. AND I THINK THAT

UNTIL WE DO KNOW WHAT FDA IS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT WE'RE KIND OF

PREMATURE ON THIS AND I WOULD -- I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY

-- IT WOULD BE WISER TO WAIT. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO ACT NOW AND

SAY, MAYBE IF, BUT IF, I -- I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO

LEGISLATE. SO I -- I CAN APPRECIATE THE -- THE SPONSOR BRINGING THIS

FORWARD.

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THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, USING THE WORLD HEALTH

ORGANIZATION'S INSIGHT AND CLINICAL GUIDANCE OVER OUR OWN FDA JUST

DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. WE DON'T DO IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE, WHY ARE WE

DOING IT HERE?

SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS AND SOME THAT I IMAGINE WILL

BE MENTIONED BY OTHER COLLEAGUES, I'M PLANNING ON VOTING NO ON THIS

PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ALSO VOTE

NO. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MR. DURSO.

MR. DURSO: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. WOULD

THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR SOME QUESTIONS?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

MS. PAULIN: YES, I WOULD. OF COURSE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. DURSO: THANK YOU, MS. PAULIN. SO JUST TO

CONTINUE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE WAS SAYING, SO -- AND -- AND I APOLOGIZE.

WE MAY GO INTO SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE -- THIS IS --

CURRENTLY THIS BILL WOULD CHANGE THE PENAL LAW AND EDUCATION LAW,

CORRECT? IN REGARDS TO JUST THIS ONE SPECIFIC MEDICATION.

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MR. DURSO: WHAT -- WHAT'S THE PENALTY NOW? IN

OTHER WORDS, AS FAR AS EDUCATION LAW AND PENAL LAW, IF SOMEONE WAS

TO PRESCRIBE A MEDICATION THAT'S NOT FDA APPROVED NOW IN NEW YORK

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

STATE?

MS. PAULIN: THE PENALTY NOW. I'M GOING TO TURN TO

STAFF.

(CONFERRING)

SO, IF YOU COMMIT -- THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS LIKE THERE

ARE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. SO THE -- IF YOU COMMIT A CRIMINAL DIVERSION -- IF

-- IF YOU -- IF IT -- LET ME STATE -- RESTATE THAT. SO IF IT'S IN THE FOURTH

DEGREE, OR COMMITTING A CRIME IN THE CRIMINAL DIVERSION ACT, IT'S A

MISDEMEANOR A. THIRD DEGREE, WHICH IS COMMITS THE CRIME OF

DIVERSION -- OF CRIMINAL DIVERSION AND PRESCRIPTIONS IN THE FOURTH AND

HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONVICTED, SO IN OTHER WORDS, REPEAT OFFENDER, THEN

IT'S AN E FELONY --

MR. DURSO: SO IT STARTS AND I'M -- I --

MS. PAULIN: YES. IT STARTS AS A MISDEMEANOR A,

BUT --

MR. DURSO: -- DON'T MAKE YOU GO THROUGH THE

WHOLE THING.

MS. PAULIN: -- THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T

WANT TO NECESSARILY HAVE ON A RECORD OF A PHARMACIST OR A, YOU KNOW,

OR A --

MR. DURSO: DOCTOR OR --

MS. PAULIN: -- YOU KNOW, DOCTOR --

MR. DURSO: SURE.

MS. PAULIN: -- WHO IS PRESCRIBING THIS KIND OF --

MR. DURSO: SO IT STARTS AT MISDEMEANOR, RIGHT AND

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THEN OBVIOUSLY --

MS. PAULIN: YEAH.

MR. DURSO: -- GOES UP TO DEPENDING UPON --

MS. PAULIN: IT GOES UP TO A C FELONY.

MR. DURSO: RIGHT. SO NOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT JUST

CHANGED NEW YORK STATE LAW, BUT FEDERAL LAW STILL COMES INTO EFFECT,

CORRECT, WHEN IT COMES TO --

MS. PAULIN: WAIT, THESE ARE STATE LAWS THAT ARE

REGULATE --

MR. DURSO: RIGHT.

MS. PAULIN: -- THIS TYPE OF THING. I DON'T THINK THAT

THERE'S FEDERAL LAWS THAT ARE -- ARE USED FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF DRUGS.

MR. DURSO: RIGHT, BUT THE STATE IS ALLOWED TO

MAKE ITS OWN LAWS --

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MR. DURSO: -- FROM -- FROM MY UNDERSTANDING,

RIGHT? BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FDA AND AGAIN, I'M -- I'M NOT 100

PERCENT SURE, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU CAN MAKE STRICTER

LAWS WHEN IT COMES TO THE FDA, BUT NOT LESS STRICT.

MS. PAULIN: WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST SAYING FOR

THE EXISTING DRUGS AS OPPOSED TO GOING FORWARD.

MR. DURSO: OKAY. SO -- AND -- AND I KNOW MY

COLLEAGUE HAD ASKED THIS; ARE THERE ANY OTHER PRESCRIPTION DRUGS THAT'S

NOT FDA APPROVED THAT NEW YORK STATE APPROVES?

MS. PAULIN: UM, NO. UM --

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MR. DURSO: OR DO WE DO THIS FOR ANY OTHER

PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS?

MS. PAULIN: BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD -- I WOULD

WONDER IF ONE OF MY MALE COLLEAGUES, IF THEY DECIDED TO REEVALUATE

VIAGRA, WHICH BY THE WAY, HAS FIVE -- TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF SERIOUS

ADVERSE OUTCOMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE DEATH, FOR EXAMPLE, COMPARED TO

MIFEPRISTONE, YOU KNOW, AND TWICE AS MANY SERIOUS, YOU KNOW,

INJURIES THAT I MIGHT SEE A BILL OF THAT SORT, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS WIDELY

USED. ALSO, WIDELY USED FOR TELEHEALTH.

MR. DURSO: I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD

FOR IT. I'M NOT SURE.

MS. PAULIN: OKAY.

MR. DURSO: BUT -- SO -- BUT -- BUT -- SO WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING IS THAT, THAT DRUG, SOMETHING LIKE VIAGRA, HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT

THERE ARE WORSE SIDE EFFECTS TO IT, CORRECT, THAN --

MS. PAULIN: THAN MIFEPRISTONE, AND -- AND IS

ALMOST ENTIRELY PRESCRIBED BY TELEHEALTH.

MR. DURSO: SO WHY ARE WE NOT BANNING VIAGRA

RIGHT NOW?

MS. PAULIN: WELL, THEY HAVEN'T THREATENED, YOU

KNOW, THE -- THEY HAVEN'T SAID THEY'RE GOING TO REEVALUATE THAT. SO

THERE'S NO CONCERN ON THE PART --

MR. DURSO: BUT -- BUT --

MS. PAULIN: -- THERE'S NO BILLS THAT I'VE SEEN.

MR. DURSO: NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M SAYING THAT

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YOU'RE SAYING THAT VIAGRA HAS NUMEROUS AMOUNTS OF -- OF ISSUES WITH IT,

RIGHT, THAT COULD CAUSE SO MANY MORE ISSUES FOR MEN. CORRECT?

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MR. DURSO: SO IF WE -- WHO IS -- WHO MAKES THAT

STATEMENT? WHO HAS DONE THAT STUDY?

MS. PAULIN: THE -- WELL, THE FDA WOULD LOOK AT

THE STUDY --

MR. DURSO: SHOULDN'T NEW YORK LEAD THE WAY

THEN AND BAN VIAGRA RIGHT NOW? IF WE KNOW IT'S THAT MUCH WORSE --

MS. PAULIN: WE -- WE -- WE DON'T HAVE THE

AUTHORITY TO BAN A DRUG THAT'S APPROVED BY THE FDA.

MR. DURSO: WE -- WE ACTUALLY DO. WE -- WE'RE

ALLOWED TO, AS A STATE, MAKE THINGS STRICTER, NOT TAKE AWAY. THAT'S

FEDERAL LAW. SO WHY AREN'T WE BANNING A DRUG THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS

MUCH WORSE FOR US, THAN A DRUG THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW?

MS. PAULIN: I'LL THINK ABOUT IT.

MR. DURSO: ALL RIGHT. IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME

PERSONALLY, BUT I WAS JUST -- I JUST TRIED TO USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

MS. PAULIN: YEAH.

MR. DURSO: BUT -- BUT THAT BEING SAID, AND -- AND

THAT'S REALLY MY POINT IS -- OKAY. SO, THE FDA AND LISTEN, WE -- WE CAN

SAY IT WITHOUT SAYING IT, WE UNDERSTAND THE -- THE REASONING BEHIND THIS,

A -- A -- A BILL LIKE THIS COMING FORWARD. BUT WHAT IF TOMORROW THE

FDA WAS TO SAY -- OR -- OR EXCUSE ME, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION,

WAS TO SAY THAT A PARTICULAR DRUG IS BAD, RIGHT? A PRESCRIPTION IS BAD.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW THEM ON THAT AND BAN IT ALSO? BECAUSE --

MS. PAULIN: I GUESS, YOU KNOW WHAT, EVERYTHING IS

AN INDIVIDUAL BILL, AN INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATOR AND IF SOMETHING -- IF

SOMETHING IS GOING ON LIKE THAT, I GUESS WE WOULD THINK ABOUT IT, YEAH.

MR. DURSO: WELL, I MEAN, SOME -- LIKE A DRUG LIKE

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE, RIGHT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE USED A LOT DURING

COVID, RIGHT, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HAD COVID-19. THE WORLD HEALTH

ORGANIZATION SAYS IT'S IN -- IN THEIR SUGGESTION, WOULD BE THAT IT'S NOT

ALLOWED, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE FDA APPROVED. AND I -- I MEAN, I'VE

TAKEN IT, I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE, BUT IT'S ALSO USED FOR OTHER

THINGS LIKE LUPUS, RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS, SUPPRESSING OVERACTOR --

OVERACTIVE IMMUNE SYSTEMS, WHICH CAUSE OTHER ISSUES. SO THE WORLD

HEALTH ORGANIZATION SAYING THAT'S BAD, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM ALLOWING

PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT IN NEW YORK STATE, SO WHY ARE WE JUST PARTICULARLY

DOING -- I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, END OF THIS, RIGHT? SO

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M NOT -- I'M NOT SILLY IN THAT WAY. I -- I GET IT.

BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A -- IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT WHEN WE'RE

TELLING THE FDA, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU ON THIS, WE'RE GOING TO

LISTEN TO THE WHO ON THIS, BUT NOT ON OTHER THINGS AND ONE THAT YOU'VE

STATED THREE TIMES, BEING VIAGRA, BEING APPARENTLY EXTREMELY

DANGEROUS AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT -- THAT -- LETTING ME KNOW THAT. BUT

WE'RE NOT BANNING THAT, JUST LIKE I'M SURE THE WHO AND THE FDA TELL

YOU THAT SMOKING IS BAD. NO ONE HERE HAS A BILL TO OUTLAW CIGARETTES --

MS. PAULIN: WE HAVE SOME BILLS LIKE THAT.

MR. DURSO: -- RIGHT. ALCOHOL -- WELL, WHAT I'M

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SAYING IS AND I -- AND I GET IT AND I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST SAYING

CONSISTENCY WISE, RIGHT?

MS. PAULIN: YOU KNOW WHAT, I -- I THINK WE KNOW

MR. DURSO: MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DIE FROM LUNG

CANCER EVERYDAY. WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE BANNING TOBACCO. WHY -- WHY

NOT? WHY JUST THIS ONE THING, WHICH I GET IS POLITICAL AND I UNDERSTAND

IT, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE INCONSISTENCY WITH IT. AND I UNDERSTAND

AND I -- AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS SPECIFIC THING, BUT IT'S JUST THE

INCONSISTENCY AND I FEEL LIKE IT OPENED UP A DANGEROUS DOOR. SO WITH

THAT BEING SAID, IT IS STILL GOING TO BE IF -- IF -- CAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN THAT

THE FDA HAS DONE THIS YET, RIGHT, WE'RE JUST DOING IT PREEMPTIVELY. SO

IF THEY DO IT AND NEW YORK SAYS -- STATE SAYS, THE HELL WITH THE FDA,

WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE WANT, WHAT THEN HAPPENS TO THOSE THAT ARE

TRANSPORTING AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS IMAGINARY STOCKPILE ALREADY,

RIGHT? LIKE I -- I HAVE -- I HAVE A CDL. IF I'M DRIVING FROM LET'S SAY

PENNSYLVANIA OR WHEREVER THEY DO -- THEY PRODUCE IT AND MAKE IT AND

THEY DRIVE ACROSS STATE LINES TO DELIVER IT, IS NEW YORK STATE GOING TO

INDEMNIFY THOSE PEOPLE?

MS. PAULIN: SO THE -- THE MINUTE THE FDA WOULD

CHANGE THE LABEL, THEN THE MANUFACTURERS WOULD CHANGE THE LABEL. SO

IT'S REALLY ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE MANUFACTURERS' HANDS

MR. DURSO: OKAY.

MS. PAULIN: -- THAT WE'RE -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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SO IT'S LIMITED. I -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEW YORK DID

AFTER THE GOVERNOR HAD PRONOUNCED THAT WE WERE GOING TO STOCKPILE. I

DON'T KNOW IF WE DID OR NOT. BUT THERE ARE, WE KNOW, EXISTING

MIFEPRISTONE ON SHELVES IN PHARMACISTS [SIC], THAT WE JUST WANT TO BE

ABLE TO SAY, YOU CAN USE THAT. THE LABEL SAYS YOU CAN USE IT AND YOU'RE

NOT IN HARM'S WAY IF YOU DISPENSE IT.

MR. DURSO: BUT SO -- RIGHT. SO IT'S REALLY

PROTECTING THE -- THE DIS -- DISPENSERS, CORRECT? I MEAN, IT'S -- IT'S NOT --

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MR. DURSO: -- IT'S NOT ABOUT PROTECTING THE PEOPLE

THAT TAKE IT, REGARDLESS WHAT SIDE YOU -- YOU -- YOU FEEL ON THAT, RIGHT?

I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE -- CHANGING THE PENAL LAW AND THE

EDUCATION LAW AND ALSO PROTECTING THOSE, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, THOSE

THAT -- THAT ARE DISPENSING IT. BUT WE'RE PROTECTING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE

DISPENSING IT, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING IT. SO -- OR THOSE

DELIVERING IT. OR -- SO CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEN GO AFTER THOSE

THAT ARE DELIVERING IT ACROSS STATE LINES, OR IS IT JUST FOR PRESCRIBING IT?

I'M JUST -- AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

MS. PAULIN: OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M JUST GOING TO TRY

TO REPEAT THE CIRCUMSTANCE SO I CAN --

MR. DURSO: I'M SORRY.

MS. PAULIN: -- UNDERSTAND THAT I'M REACTING TO THE

RIGHT THING, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ALREADY BEEN MANUFACTURED, SO

IT ALREADY HAS THE OLD LABEL ON IT --

MR. DURSO: SURE.

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MS. PAULIN: -- AND SOMEBODY'S BRINGING IT ACROSS

STATE LINES --

MR. DURSO: OKAY. YUP.

MS. PAULIN: -- TO DELIVER TO A PERSON OR -- OR --

MR. DURSO: NO, NO. TO -- TO A, LET'S SAY A

PHARMACY. LET'S SAY A -- A PHARMACY THAT DELIVERS, RIGHT? MY

PHARMACY THAT -- THAT I -- IN MASSAPEQUA PARK DELIVERS, RIGHT? IT -- IT

ALLOWS THE -- NO. THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW THE PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE THAT

ARE FILLING IT, PRESCRIBING IT, RIGHT? BUT CAN THE FDA AND I'M -- I'M

ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW --

MS. PAULIN: NO, I GET IT.

MR. DURSO: -- AND I'M -- I'M BEING SERIOUS.

MS. PAULIN: SO I WOULD SAY THAT FROM WHAT I

UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT WOULD THEN PROTECT ANY DRUG, OR ANY

DISPENSER, WHO EVEN OBTAINED A DRUG. SO SAY THERE WAS A -- A TRUCK

COMING TO DELIVER, RIGHT --

MR. DURSO: RIGHT.

MS. PAULIN: -- AS -- AS THE FDA WAS MAKING THEIR

PRONOUNCEMENT. SO THERE'S STILL EXISTING DRUGS ON SOME TRUCK THAT IS

DRIVING FROM PENNSYLVANIA TO NEW YORK TO GO TO SPENCER PHARMACY IN

MY DISTRICT --

MR. DURSO: WHEREVER, RIGHT.

MS. PAULIN: -- AND THEY WERE RECEIVING IT

UNSTBEKNOWN [SIC] THAT THE FDA WAS ABOUT TO MAKE A LABEL CHANGE,

THOSE WOULD, IN MY VIEW, BE OKAY.

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MR. DURSO: OKAY. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. I -- I

APPRECIATE THAT. SO MY LAST TWO QUESTIONS AND I APOLOGIZE AND I

PROBABLY LOST THEM. SO THAT MAY BE MY LAST QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE.

(PAUSE)

NOPE. THAT WILL BE IT, MS. PAULIN. THANK YOU FOR

YOUR TIME.

MS. PAULIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MR. DURSO: I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MR. SMULLEN.

MR. SMULLEN: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

WOULD THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR SOME QUESTIONS, PLEASE?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

MS. PAULIN: HAPPY TO.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, THANK YOU. I JUST -- I JUST

WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS OF THIS. IS THIS

BILL CONSTITUTIONAL IN YOUR MIND?

MS. PAULIN: AS FAR AS I KNOW, YES.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, WITH THAT BEING THE STATE

CONSTITUTION, BUT IS IT ALSO WITH THE U.S. CONSTITUTION?

MS. PAULIN: I'M UNAWARE OF ANY PROVISION IN THE --

IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM DOING THIS.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MR. SMULLEN: AND IS THERE ANYTHING AT THE --

ABOVE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD APPLY HERE FROM A SOVEREIGNTY

STANDPOINT?

MS. PAULIN: NOT THAT I'M AWARE.

MR. SMULLEN: OKAY. SO I JUST -- I JUST WANTED TO

GO BACK TO A -- A PREVIOUS LINE OF QUESTIONING ABOUT THE WORLD HEALTH

ORGANIZATION. COULD YOU TELL ME WHO IS THE LEADER OF THE WORLD

HEALTH ORGANIZATION?

MS. PAULIN: I -- I CAN'T WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.

MR. SMULLEN: SURE. IT'S DR. TEDROS ADHANOM

GHEBREYESUS AND HE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. HE'S THE FORMER ETHIOPIAN

MINISTER OF HEALTH, FORMER ETHIOPIAN FOREIGN MINISTER AND HE'S BEEN

HEADING THAT ORGANIZATION SINCE 2017. SO WHAT I WANTED TO -- WHAT I

WANTED TO ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY IS, IF NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO NOT

FOLLOW FDA REGULATIONS IN THIS CASE, REGULATIONS THAT ARE CODIFIED

UNDER U.S. LAW, WHY ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW WORLD HEALTH

ORGANIZATION REGULATIONS FROM SOMEONE WHO IS NOT ELECTED BY U.S.

CITIZENS?

MS. PAULIN: SO I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT THIS BILL IS

ABOUT IS PROTECTING THOSE WHO ARE DISPENSING THE SAME DRUGS THEY

DISPENSED YESTERDAY TO BE ABLE TO DISPENSE THEM TOMORROW. IF, AS ONE

OF OUR COLLEAGUES STATED, THAT IT'S MERELY A LABEL CHANGE, THEN THEY'LL

STILL BE ABLE TO DISPENSE THEM. BUT IF WE THINK, PERHAPS, THAT THERE'S

GOING TO BE ADDED REMS, YOU KNOW, THAT -- THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT MIGHT HAVE -- COULD HAPPEN. AND -- AND MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT

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FOR -- FOR MEDICATION ABORTION TO BE USED IN NEW YORK STATE, THEN THIS

BILL PROTECTS THAT. SO I -- I -- I, AS A, YOU KNOW -- YOU KNOW, THERE WAS

A LOT OF REFERENCE TO OTHER DRUGS THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP BY THE FDA

AND THERE ARE. THERE ALWAYS ARE. BUT I BELIEVE, AS I THINK ALMOST

EVERYONE HERE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR SUPPORT OR LACK OF SUPPORT FOR

CHOICE, THAT MIFEPRISTONE IS BEING TARGETED BECAUSE OF WHAT ITS USE IS

FOR. AND -- AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND AS A -- A WOMAN WHO, I BELIEVE --

I'M -- WOMEN ARE BEING TARGETED BECAUSE OF WHAT -- BECAUSE OF -- THE --

THEY'VE -- AND AS ABORTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TARGETED. I -- I BELIEVE

STRONGLY THAT THIS IS MERELY TO PROTECT OUR PROFESSIONALS AND TO ALLOW

FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SAFELY USED -- AND BY THE WAY, IT --

ABORTIONS IN NEW YORK STATE PRIMARILY ARE -- YES, TELEHEALTH, BUT ALSO

PRIMARILY MEDICATION ABORTION. SO WE'RE TELLING WOMEN, YOU HAVE TO

GO BACK AND YOU CAN ONLY THEN HAVE A -- YOU KNOW, PROCEDURES THAT ARE

MORE COMPLICATED. I -- I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO THERE, YOU KNOW? I

DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR OR RIGHT. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE

RIGHT OF WOMEN TO HAVE MEDICATION ABORTION IN NEW YORK BECAUSE

IT'S -- OBVIOUSLY, IF IN 100 COUNTRIES AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE UNITED

STATES WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR A LONG TIME AND SO MANY WOMEN ARE

DEPENDENT ON IT, THAT THIS IS MERELY A BILL TO PROTECT THEIR INTEREST.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, CERTAINLY -- COULD YOU

ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION AS TO HOW MANY MEDICATION ABORTIONS

HAPPEN IN NEW YORK EACH YEAR?

MS. PAULIN: I DON'T THINK I HAVE THAT DATA. BUT I

AM GOING TO CALL ON ALL MY HELPERS OUT IN THE WORLD TO MAYBE TEXT ME

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AND I'LL LOOK AT MY TEXTS. BUT I -- I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, I MEAN, CERTAINLY IT'S A -- IT'S

A DEADLY CHEMICAL, THAT'S FOR SURE. AND THE FDA HAS CLEAR REGULATORY

AUTHORITY TO REGULATE THAT CHEMICAL ACCORDING TO U.S. LAW, WOULDN'T

YOU AGREE?

MS. PAULIN: YES. THAT'S -- I MEAN, THE FDA HAS

AUTHORITY TO REGULATE ALL DRUGS.

MR. SMULLEN: AND -- AND WHO'S THE HEAD OF THE

FDA CURRENTLY?

MS. PAULIN: (LAUGHING). UM...

MR. SMULLEN: IS IT A -- IS IT A U.S. MEDICAL

DOCTOR? OR IS IT A -- A PHD FROM ETHIOPIA?

MS. PAULIN: NO. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DOCTORS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, IT'S MARTY MAKARY. HE IS

TRAINED FROM JOHNS HOPKINS. HE'S A VERY PROFICIENT DOCTOR AND HE'S

BEEN APPOINTED AND -- AND CONFIRMED BY THE U.S. SENATE TO THAT ROLE, TO

DO, ACTUALLY, TO DO THIS VERY THING FOR THING UNITED STATES PEOPLE.

THAT'S -- THAT'S HIS JOB. THAT'S WHAT HE'S APPOINTED TO DO IN THIS

ADMINISTRATION.

SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE WHO. AND YOU -- YOU -- YOU

CITE THIS IN YOUR SPONSOR'S MEMO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW WHO

PROTOCOLS IN THIS CASE. IS THAT -- IS THAT TRUE?

MS. PAULIN: YES. BUT WE'RE ALSO SUGGESTING BY THE

WAY THE BILL IS WORDED, THAT IT'S ONLY FOR THE EXISTING DRUGS THAT ARE

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CURRENTLY OUT THERE THAT --

MR. SMULLEN: YEAH. BUT THIS -- THIS MATTERS FOR

THIS DRUG. AND THE REASON IS, IS I ASK YOU ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF

THIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS WITHDRAWN FROM THE

WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION?

MS. PAULIN: I -- I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW,

WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE UPSETTING OVER THE NEXT THREE

YEARS.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, LET ME -- LET ME JUST READ

SOMETHING AND THIS IS A FACT SHEET FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT: ON

JANUARY 20, 2025, PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNED EXECUTIVE ORDER 14155,

FORMERLY INITIATING UNITED STATES WITHDRAWAL FROM THE WORLD HEALTH

ORGANIZATION. THIS DECISION WAS DRIVEN BY PROFOUND FAILURES IN THE

WHO'S HANDLING OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, ORIGINATING IN WUHAN,

CHINA. ITS PERSISTENT REFUSAL TO IMPLEMENT NECESSARY REFORMS, ITS LACK

OF ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENT INDEPENDENCE AND FULFILLMENT OF THIS

DIRECTIVE AND FOLLOWING THE REQUIRED ONE YEAR NOTICE PERIOD, THE UNITED

STATES GOVERNMENT HAS FORMERLY EXIT -- EXISTED FROM THE WHO ON

JANUARY 22, 2019. SO ONE WEEK AGO, WE ARE FORMERLY NO LONGER A

MEMBER OF THE WHO BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS

HAD WITH THAT ORGANIZATION. YET, HERE WE ARE, IN NEW YORK STATE,

SAYING WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW WHO THINGS FROM -- FROM SOMEONE WHO'S

A HEAD OF AN ORGANIZATION, WHO'S NOT EVEN A DOCTOR AND WE'RE GOING TO

ACTUALLY NOT DO WHAT OUR OWN FDA SAYS. TO ME, THAT DOESN'T SEEM

REASONABLE, BUT NOR DOES IT SEEM CONSTITUTIONAL.

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DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL TREATY REQUIREMENTS ARE

FOR THE UNITED NATIONS AGREEMENTS WHICH THE WHO IS -- IS ACTUALLY

PART OF?

MS. PAULIN: NO, I DON'T.

MR. SMULLEN: SO I'M -- I'M -- I'M HERE TO SAY AND

MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I THINK THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THAT WE CAN'T PASS A BILL IN NEW YORK STATE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO RELY

ON A SUPER NATIONAL -- INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR TECHNICAL ADVICE

ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY REGULATED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES --

MS. PAULIN: WE -- WE ALREADY HAVE IN NEW YORK

DONE EXACTLY THE SAME THING IN OUR INSURANCE LAW.

MR. SMULLEN: WHAT -- WELL, WHAT IS -- WHAT IN

NEW YORK STATE, THEN, IN -- WHO IS NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO SIGN OFF

ON THIS BILL TO SAY --

MS. PAULIN: NO ONE'S CHALLENGED --

MR. SMULLEN: -- THAT THIS IS LEGAL?

MS. PAULIN: -- THOSE TWO PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW,

CONSTITUTIONALLY OR OTHERWISE. SO WHY WOULD THIS PROVISION BE

DIFFERENT IF IT'S IDENTICAL TO THE ONES WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED?

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, IT'S BECAUSE OF POLITICS AND

IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PASSING A LAW, A PREEMPTIVE LAW, FOR SOMETHING THAT

DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ON HYPOTHETICAL. AND I FIND THAT TO BE TOTALLY

UNDRAMATIC IN SO MANY WAYS.

MADAM SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

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ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON THE BILL.

MS. PAULIN: I HAVE THE NUMBER, BY THE WAY, OF

ABORTIONS, IF YOU WANT THAT BEFORE YOU --

MR. SMULLEN: OH, WHAT -- WHAT? YES. SO -- SO

HOW MANY --

MS. PAULIN: YES.

MR. SMULLEN: -- ABORTIONS WERE CONDUCTED IN

NEW YORK STATE BY THIS MEDICATION COCKTAIL?

MS. PAULIN: SO. SO THERE WERE 60 --

APPROXIMATELY 68,000 AS OF 2022, WHICH IS THE LAST TIME WE HAVE THAT

KIND OF DATA. ABORTIONS, GENERALLY, 68,000 AND ABOUT -- MORE THAN

60% WERE MEDICATION ABORTION.

MR. SMULLEN: SO THAT'S A -- THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S A

VERY TOXIC, VERY DEADLY CHEMICAL, WOULDN'T YOU SAY?

MS. PAULIN: I THINK THERE'S -- YOU KNOW, WE WANT

TO GIVE WOMEN CHOICES, AND THE OTHER CHOICE MIGHT BE ONE THAT A

WOMAN WOULD NOT CHOOSE. WE DON'T -- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO

LESSEN THE NUMBER OF ABORTIONS. ALL IT WOULD DO IS STEER WOMEN TO A

SURGICAL ABORTION.

MR. SMULLEN: WELL, THANK YOU.

MADAM SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON THE BILL.

MR. SMULLEN: WHAT -- WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS A

VERY CLEAR CASE OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. WE'VE GOT A

PREEMPTIVE BILL FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ABOUT AN FDA

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PROCEDURE THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN COMPLETED. AND WE KNOW THAT THIS IS

A DEADLY CHEMICAL IN ALL -- IN ALL ASPECTS. IT'S CERTAINLY DEAD -- IT'S

CERTAINLY DEADLY FOR -- FOR THE ABORTION THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THE

CHEMICAL. AND I THINK IT'S UP TO THE FDA TO DECIDE, NOT THE UNITED

NATIONS, NOT THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, ABOUT WHAT IS SAFE AND

WHAT ISN'T SAFE UNDER U.S. LAW.

SO I'M STICKING WITH HHS AND WITH THE FDA AND

SAYING THAT WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY SAY MATTERS IN THE UNITED

STATES, THAT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE UNITED STATES IS VERY IMPORTANT AND

THIS BILL WE SHOULD VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: A PARTY VOTE HAS

BEEN REQUESTED.

MS. WALSH.

MS. WALSH: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. THE

MINORITY CONFERENCE WILL, GENERALLY SPEAKING, BE IN THE NEGATIVE ON

THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. IF THERE ARE MEMBERS WHO WISH TO VOTE YES,

THEY MAY DO SO NOW AT THEIR SEATS. THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MR. FALL.

MR. FALL: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. THE

MAJORITY CONFERENCE WILL BE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ON THIS PIECE OF

LEGISLATION. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOTE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION,

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THEY CAN DO SO AT THEIR DESK.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

THE CLERK WILL RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MR. DIPIETRO TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. DIPIETRO: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. A

COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS BILL. THE SPONSOR MADE A COMMENT THAT

WOMEN ARE TARGETED, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE

TARGETED FROM THE LEFT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MEN IN WOMEN

SPORTS. THAT'S TOTALLY TARGETING WOMEN. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

DIFFERENT ISSUES, THERE'S A LOT OF TARGETING OF WOMEN. I DON'T THINK THIS

ONE DOES BECAUSE NEW YORK STATE IS THE NUMBER ONE ABORTION CAPITAL

OF THE ENTIRE WORLD. WE HAVE POST-BIRTH ABORTION NOW. I MEAN, HOW

FAR DOES IT HAVE TO GO? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT -- FERAL CATS ARE MORE

PROTECTED THAN THE BABY IN THE WOMB. HORSESHOE CRABS ARE MORE

PROTECTED. YOU KNOW, SORRY, BUT THIS BILL BOWS TO THE ALTER OF FULL TERM

AND POST-BIRTH BABY KILLERS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I CALL THEM, BECAUSE

I'M PRO-LIFE. AND THEY BELIEVE ABORTION -- IN NEW YORK STATE, IT NEVER

GOES FAR ENOUGH. HOW MUCH FARTHER DO WE HAVE TO GO IN NEW YORK

STATE FOR ABORTION? HOW MUCH FARTHER DO WE HAVE TO GO? DO WE HAVE

TO HAVE THE -- THREE DAYS AFTERWARDS? THIS BILL, WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING

WHAT THE FDA IS GOING TO SAY, TRIES TO PREEMPT IT, TO PREVENT WOMEN'S

ABORTION. MAKES NO SENSE. I DIDN'T SEE -- I DIDN'T HEAR ANY COGNITIVE

ARGUMENT SUPPORTING -- SUPPORTING THIS BILL. IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE

UNTIL AFTER THE -- WE GET THE REPORT FROM THE FDA. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE

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HAVE IN NEW YORK STATE.

I'LL BE VOTING NO AND I ENCOURAGE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES

TO VOTE NO, ALSO. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: MR. DIPIETRO IN THE

NEGATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

PAGE 5 -- OH, EXCUSE ME.

MR. FALL.

MR. FALL: MADAM SPEAKER, THE MEMBERS HAVE ON

THEIR DESK THE A-CALENDAR. I NOW MOVE TO ADVANCE THE A-CALENDAR.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MR.

FALL, THE A-CALENDAR IS ADVANCED.

PAGE 5, RULES REPORT NO. 71, THE CLERK WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09516, RULES REPORT

NO. 71, DILAN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW AND THE EXECUTIVE

LAW, IN RELATION TO THE DISCLOSURE OF VIDEO FOOTAGE AND AUDIO

RECORDINGS RELATED TO THE DEATH OF AN INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL INVOLVING

CERTAIN CORRECTION OFFICERS OR PEACE OFFICERS (PART A); TO AMEND THE

CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO ESTABLISHING COMPREHENSIVE CAMERA

COVERAGE FOR COVERED FACILITIES AND COVERED VEHICLES; AND TO REPEAL

CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE CORRECTION LAW RELATING TO REQUIRING

INSTITUTIONS AND LOCAL CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES TO ADHERE TO CERTAIN CAMERA

FOOTAGE, RECORDING AND INVESTIGATION STANDARDS (PART B); TO AMEND THE

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CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO NEXT OF KIN NOTIFICATIONS WHERE THE

DEATH OF AN INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL OCCURS (PART C); TO AMEND A

CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF 2025 DIRECTING THE STATE COMMISSION OF

CORRECTION TO CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY ON DEATHS IN STATE

CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES WITHIN NEW YORK STATE, AS PROPOSED IN

LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBERS S08415 AND A08871, IN RELATION TO THE TIME

WITHIN WHICH THE STATE COMMISSION OF CORRECTION SHALL ISSUE A REPORT

OF THE FINDINGS OF SUCH STUDY (PART D); TO AMEND THE COUNTY LAW, IN

RELATION TO PROVIDING ACCESS TO MICROSCOPIC SLIDES UPON REQUEST FOR

CERTAIN AUTOPSIES (PART E); INTENTIONALLY OMITTED (PART F); TO AMEND THE

CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO DATA ON SUBSTANTIATED, UNFOUNDED, AND

UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS RECEIVED BY THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL

INVESTIGATIONS (PART G); TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO

MEMBERSHIP OF THE STATE OF THE STATE COMMISSION OF CORRECTION; AND

TO MEND A CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF 2025 AMENDING THE CORRECTION LAW

RELATING TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE STATE COMMISSION OF CORRECTION, AS

PROPOSED IN LEGISLATIVE BILL NUMBERS S08415 AND A08871, IN RELATION

TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF (PART H); TO AMEND THE CORRECTION LAW, IN

RELATION TO CORRECTIONAL FACILITY VISITS BY THE CORRECTIONAL ASSOCIATION

(PART I); AND TO AMEND THE CIVIL PRACTICE LAW AND RULES, THE GENERAL

MUNICIPAL LAW AND THE COURT OF CLAIMS ACT, IN RELATION TO THE TOLLING

OF STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN STATE CUSTODY; TO AMEND

PART J OF A CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF 2025 AMENDING THE CIVIL PRACTICE

LAW AND RULES, THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW AND THE COURT OF CLAIMS

ACT RELATING TO THE TOLLING OF STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

STATE CUSTODY, AS PROPOSED IN LEGISLATIVE BILL NUMBERS S08415 AND

A08871, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF; AND TO REPEAL CERTAIN

PROVISIONS OF THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW RELATING THERETO (PART J).

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: AN EXPLANATION HAS

BEEN REQUESTED.

MR. DILAN.

MR. DILAN: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. THE BILL

ENACTS CHAPTER AMENDMENTS TO THE CORRECTIONS OMNIBUS PACKAGE THAT

WE PASSED LAST YEAR.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: MR. DIPIETRO.

MR. DIPIETRO: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. WILL

THE SPONSOR YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

MR. DILAN: ABSOLUTELY, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. DIPIETRO: THANK YOU, MR. DILAN. LET'S START

WITH PART A. ONE OF THE -- THE SECOND CHAPTER AMENDMENT REQUIRES A

REASONABLE GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO GET THE FOOTAGE -- GOING TO 72 HOURS

ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE WITHIN 24 HOURS. WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME NOW? I

UNDERSTAND IT IS -- THEY TRY TO GET THAT WITHIN 24, OR IS IT NOT -- IS IT --

SOMETIMES IT'S TOUGH TO GET THE 24 HOURS. BUT IS THIS GOING TO BE A

MANDATE THAT IT HAS TO BE, OR IS IT -- CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT?

MR. DILAN: SO UNDER THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT,

FOOTAGE MUST BE DISCLOSED TO THE OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS

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WITHIN 72 HOURS UNDER THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT OF SUCH DEATH. AND

THEN POST THE 72 HOURS INITIALLY, IF ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS FOUND,

THEN THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WOULD HAVE TO BE TURNED OVER WITHIN

24 HOURS.

MR. DIPIETRO: OKAY. IS THERE --

MR. DILAN: TWENTY-FOUR HOURS, CORRECT.

MR. DIPIETRO: WAS THAT -- THAT'S 72 HOURS. FROM

WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE -- THERE -- THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD. HAS THERE

BEEN INSTANCES WHERE THERE -- WHERE FOR SOME REASON IT HASN'T BEEN?

I'M SURE THERE ARE, BUT IS IT -- HAS IT BEEN A PROBLEM?

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: YEAH. SO NOT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, BUT

WE -- WE -- IN THE NEGOTIATIONS, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE CAMERAS

COMING ONLINE IN THE FUTURE, THEY WANTED TO GIVE A CUSHION IN LIGHT THAT

THE -- IN -- IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT THERE WILL BE TOO MUCH FOOTAGE

AVAILABLE AND GIVE THEM AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO CONDUCT A

THOROUGH VIEW OF THE FOOTAGE.

MR. DIPIETRO: UNDERSTOOD. ON THE NEXT PAGE, ON

THE -- ON THE AMENDMENTS, IT SAYS: AN ADDITION REQUIRES CAMERA

COVERAGE OF ANY VEHICLE USED TO TRANSPORT INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS. IS

THIS -- ARE THOSE IN-CAR CAMERAS, FIRST OFF? OR ARE THOSE CAMERAS THAT

LOOK IN THE PARKING LOT AND FOLLOW THEM?

MR. DILAN: SO WHEN YOU SAY "NEXT PAGE", I'M

ASSUMING PART B? YOU'RE ON TO PART B NOW; IS THAT CORRECT?

MR. DIPIETRO: YES. YES.

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MR. DILAN: OKAY. SO IT'S -- IT'S IN -- IN-CAR

CAMERAS, BEING THAT THERE WILL BE, OR CURRENTLY IS FIXED AND BODY-WORN

CAMERAS INSIDE OF -- - OF FACILITIES. THE OBVIOUS BLIND SPOT WOULD BE

INSIDE OF VEHICLES WHILE INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS WERE BEING

TRANSPORTED. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEW TO THE BILL THAT I BELIEVE

MADE THE -- THE BILL BETTER AND THAT WAS ASKED FOR BY THE EXECUTIVE AND

WE THOUGHT IT WAS REASONABLE TO ADD.

MR. DIPIETRO: SO THEN THOSE CAMERAS WOULD BE ON

FROM THE MOMENT SOMEONE GETS IN THE CAR, THE ENTIRE TRIP TO AND FROM

WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING, THOSE CAMERAS WOULD BE ON?

MR. DILAN: THAT IS -- THAT'S CORRECT.

MR. DIPIETRO: OKAY. AND THE FOOTAGE THEN WOULD

BE ABLE TO BE RETRIEVED, OKAY. ON PART D --

MR. DILAN: AND TO ANSWER THE LAST PART OF YOUR

QUESTION, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE PARKING LOT.

MR. DIPIETRO: DOES NOT, OKAY. PART D HAS A -- TO

CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF TEN YEARS IN-CUSTODY DEATH REPORTS

RECOMMENDATIONS?

MR. DILAN: WHICH -- WHICH PART? PART --

MR. DIPIETRO: PART D.

MR. DILAN: PART D?

MR. DIPIETRO: YES. THAT'S -- AND THEN THE -- IT -- IT

-- IT REPORTS ADMISSION DEADLINE FROM ONE YEAR TO 18 MONTHS. HAS THAT

BEEN A -- A PROBLEM?

MR. DILAN: NO. AND JUST -- AND -- AND IN PART OF

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SEEKING A THREE-WAY AGREEMENT, THE EXECUTIVE HAD ASKED FOR THE

ADDITIONAL TIME. WE THOUGHT IT WAS REASONABLE TO GRANT THE ADDITIONAL

TIME.

MR. DIPIETRO: OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

CAN WE GO DOWN TO PART H? THREE MEMBERS, PART H,

SAYS: THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT DECREASES THE NUMBER FROM 9 TO 5.

WELL, TWO -- TWO-PART QUESTIONS: FIRST OFF, IT SAYS, WAS THERE ANY -- IT

SAYS: FORMERLY INCARCERATED PERSON, THESE ARE PEOPLE ON THE

MEMBERSHIP, A PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, A BEHAVIOR HEALTHCARE

PROFESSIONAL AND AN ATTORNEY WITH A BACKGROUND. WAS ANY THOUGHT

GIVEN TO BEING TO PUT ON THAT COMMITTEE A CORRECTIONS OFFICER OR A

WARDEN OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT INDIVIDUAL FROM DOCCS? SOMETHING OF

THAT NATURE, BECAUSE I SEE THERE'S NOBODY ON THERE THAT HAS THAT

EXPERIENCE.

MR. DILAN: SO -- SO AS IT STANDS NOW, AS WE

DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THE GOVERNOR FROM

MAKING ANY OF -- ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HOLDS THE TITLES THAT YOU

CITED, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD. WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT, HISTORICALLY,

INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM SCOC AND TO ADD

THEIR VOICE TO -- TO THIS PANEL, WE THOUGHT WAS VALUABLE. THE PREVIOUS

PAST CHAIR - I BELIEVE THIS PAST CHAIR RESIGNED, I BELIEVE - HAS BEEN A --

A COUNTY SHERIFF AND THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS HEADS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

THAT HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY GOVERNORS EITHER TO BE A MEMBER OF OR TO

LEAD THIS PANEL, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD THE VOICES THAT WE ARE ADDING TO

THIS BILL BE A -- A -- A MEMBER OF THIS PANEL AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD STEP

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

FORWARD.

MR. DIPIETRO: GOTCHA. THE SECOND PART TO THAT

QUESTION IS, AGAIN, IT'S A -- THIS IS ANOTHER BILL APPOINTED BY THE

GOVERNOR AND WITH THE CONSENT OF THE SENATE, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL

DEMOCRATS AGAIN. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT A REPUBLICAN CAN GET PUT ON

THAT? AGAIN, THIS IS A --

MR. DILAN: WELL, IN -- IN MY VIEW, THIS PART IS

NONPARTISAN. I THINK THE BILL WE PASSED LAST YEAR DID HAVE

APPOINTMENTS FROM THE LEGISLATURE. THAT PART IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT

WERE DONE TO REACH A THREE-WAY AGREEMENT WERE FOUND TO BE

UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SO THE -- THE APPOINTMENTS WILL REMAIN WITH THE

EXECUTIVE. NOW IT SAYS GOVERNOR. IT DOESN'T SAY DEMOCRATIC

GOVERNOR OR REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THE

GOVERNORSHIP CHANGES, THEN, YOU KNOW, EITHER A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR

OR A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR WOULD BE RESPONSIBILE FOR MAKING THESE

APPOINTMENTS.

MR. DIPIETRO: GOTCHA. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY

THAT.

MR. DILAN: MM-HMM.

MR. DIPIETRO: AND THAT'S A -- AND ON PART J, YOU'VE

-- YOU'VE PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL TWO-YEAR WINDOW. JUST EXPLAIN THAT,

BECAUSE YOU MOVED THE THREE YEAR STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, PROVIDES AN

ADDITIONAL TWO-YEAR WINDOW. CAN YOU EXPLAIN -- JUST EXPLAIN THAT IN

GENERAL FOR US?

MR. DILAN: YEAH. THAT -- I -- I -- I WANT TO MAKE

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

SURE THAT THIS PART, YOU KNOW, AS BEING A NON-ATTORNEY, I -- I GET CORRECT,

SO I'LL LEAN ON THE ATTORNEYS AROUND ME. SO THE WAY -- THE WAY I SEE IT

IS NORMAL LAW AND NORMAL STATUTES WILL APPLY. AND THEY WILL EXPIRE AS

-- AS THEY NORMALLY WOULD WHETHER YOU WERE INCARCERATED OR -- OR NOT

INCARCERATED. I THINK THE -- THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS POST-INCARCERATION, IF

THOSE STATUTES HAVE ALREADY EXPIRED POST-INCARCERATION, AN INCARCERATED

INDIVIDUAL WOULD GET THE BENEFIT OF A TWO YEAR LOOK-BACK TO -- TO START

THIS CASE IF THAT STATUTE HAS ALREADY EXPIRED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNDER

INCARCERATION.

MR. DIPIETRO: OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. DILAN. NO

FURTHER QUESTIONS. THAT -- THAT'S MY ATTORNEY SPEAK. NO FURTHER

QUESTIONS.

ON THE BILL, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON THE BILL.

MR. DIPIETRO: ON THE BILL. THERE'S A -- THERE'S A

LOT OF MERIT IN THIS BILL BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE A CONCERN.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I JUST -- I'M GOING TO LET MY OTHER

COLLEAGUES EXPOUND ON. WE DO HAVE A FEW ISSUES WITH THIS. AND A LOT

OF IT IS A -- IS A REDUNDANCY. SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO ON THIS BILL

AND URGING MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER

QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I

APPRECIATE THE SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MR. GANDOLFO.

MR. GANDOLFO: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

WOULD THE SPONSOR PLEASE YIELD FOR SOME QUESTIONS?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

MR. DILAN: ABSOLUTELY. IS FEELS LIKE A --

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. DILAN: -- A MOMENT BETWEEN THE THREE OF US.

SO --

MR. GANDOLFO: WELL, THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A FEW

QUESTIONS ON THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT. AND I'M GOING TO FOCUS IN ON

PART I, SPECIFICALLY THE PROVISION PROVIDING FOR A HOTLINE FOR THOSE

INCARCERATED IN PRISONS TO CALL THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION OF NEW

YORK.

SO I KNOW THE ORIGINAL BILL PROVIDED FOR A HOTLINE AND

THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT ACTUALLY REMOVES LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWED THE

INCARCERATED TO E-MAIL THE CORRECTIONS ASSOCIATION. IS THERE A REASON

WHY THE ABILITY TO E-MAIL WAS REMOVED FROM THE LANGUAGE?

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: SO, WHAT -- WHAT I'M TOLD IS THAT

INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS AT THE MOMENT, IF THEY WERE TO SEND AN E-MAIL

OF THIS NATURE TO CANY, THOSE E-MAILS WOULD NOT BE CONFIDENTIAL --

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY.

MR. DILAN: -- SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING DONE IN THIS

MANNER.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. AND THE CHAPTER

AMENDMENT ALSO SPECIFIES THAT CANY IS THE ONE THAT SETS UP AND RUNS

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THE HOTLINE. WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF THE BILL AND IS THIS JUST A

CLARIFICATION?

MR. DILAN: YES.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. THANK YOU. AND NOW,

THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT ALSO ADDS THAT THE DEPARTMENT

SHALL NOT TRACK OR MONITOR SUCH CALLS. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW

EXACTLY DO THESE CALLS WORK? ARE THEY MADE FROM THE REGULAR PHONE

THAT'S IN THE PRISON?

MR. DILAN: THEY CAN BE, BUT THEY CAN BE MADE

FROM THE TABLETS AS WELL.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. SO THERE'S NO DEDICATED

PHONE TO BE USED TO CALL --

MR. DILAN: THERE'S NO DEDICATED PHONE AND I THINK

THAT'S BY DESIGN, RIGHT? SO --

MR. GANDOLFO: RIGHT. YEAH, AND THEN I

UNDERSTAND THE -- THE GOAL IS TO KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL --

MR. DILAN: YES.

MR. GANDOLFO: -- SO I GUESS FUNCTIONALLY, HOW

DOES IT WORK IF SOMEONE INCARCERATED -- IS -- IS THERE A LIMIT TO HOW

MANY TIMES THEY CAN CALL THE HOTLINE, AND IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THE COS

TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY CALLING THE HOTLINE WHEN THEY'RE USING THE

PHONE?

MR. DILAN: SO THE FIRST PART IS NO --

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY.

MR. DILAN: -- AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THE

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QUESTION IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THE COS TO VERIFY?

MR. GANDOLFO: RIGHT. IF THERE'S REQUESTS TO USE

THE PHONE TO CALL THE HOTLINE THAT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO CALL, IS THERE ANY

WAY FOR THE COS TO ACTUALLY VERIFY THAT'S THE CALL THEY'RE MAKING?

MR. DILAN: SO THE HOTLINE NUMBER WILL BE

PROGRAMMED ON EVERY TABLET.

(CONFERRING)

SO -- YEAH. SO THE -- SO IT -- IT MAKES IT SO THAT AN

INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR THAT PHONE NUMBER TO

BE ON THEIR CALL LIST ON THE TABLET. THEY HAVE ACCESS --

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY.

MR. DILAN: -- THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

MR. GANDOLFO: IS THAT -- AND I'M -- THIS IS

IGNORANCE ON MY PART, IS IT A -- IS THERE A SET LIST OF NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE

ABLE TO CALL OR CAN THEY JUST DIAL OUT ON THE PHONE?

MR. DILAN: THEY GET 15.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. OKAY. THERE'S NO WAY FOR

THE COS TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE CALLING THAT -- IS THAT NUMBERS THEY CAN

CALL -- IS THERE ANY LIMIT ON PHONE CALLS THAT THE INCARCERATED CAN MAKE

PER DAY? IS THERE --

MR. DILAN: NO.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. SO IT'S JUST IN THE COURSE

OF THEIR PERMITTED CALLS, THEY CAN ALSO DIAL THE HOTLINE?

MR. DILAN: IF THEY FEEL THE NEED TO, YES.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR

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THAT CLARIFICATION.

NOW, WHEN A COMPLAINT COMES INTO CANY THROUGH

THIS HOTLINE, WHAT EXACTLY -- WHAT DOES CANY DO WITH THAT COMPLAINT?

DO THEY LAUNCH THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION?

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: SO THIS IS -- THIS PART WILL BE NEW FOR

CANY --

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY.

MR. DILAN: -- BUT WITH CANY BEING, YOU KNOW,

ONE OF THE INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT ENTITIES THAT THE STATE USES. YOU

KNOW, THEY CERTAINLY USE IT -- CAN USE IT TO -- TO TRACK AND TO SEE IF

MAYBE MORE THAN ONE INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPLAINING, IF ONE

INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL WAS COMPLAINING SEVERAL TIMES. SO THEY CAN, I

-- I WOULD IMAGINE, USE THE DATA THAT COMES IN AND WARRANT -- AND --

AND USE THAT TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION IF A VISIT OR ANY OTHER ACTION IS

-- IS WARRANTED.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. SO I GUESS THEY'RE KIND OF

USING THAT AS A TREND ANALYSIS RATHER THAN OPENING THEIR OWN

INVESTIGATION INTO THE SPECIFIC COMPLAINT?

MR. DILAN: THAT'S MY THOUGHT, YEAH.

MR. GANDOLFO: AND WOULD THAT STILL BE HANDLED

BY THE BUREAU OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS [SIC] WITHIN THE PRISON?

MR. DILAN: WOULD WHAT BE HANDLED?

MR. GANDOLFO: LIKE -- IF IT'S A SPECIFIC COMPLAINT

COMING FROM AN INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL, THAT WOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY

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CANY, BUT IT WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS BUREAU?

MR. DILAN: THIS DOESN'T TAKE ANY POWER AWAY FROM

OSI.

MR. GANDOLFO: OKAY. AND WITH REGARD TO THE --

THE HOTLINE TO CANY, ARE THERE ANY REPERCUSSIONS TO FALSE ALLEGATIONS

OR ERRONEOUS ALLEGATIONS THAT MIGHT BE BEING MADE TO THE HOTLINE I

GUESS TO (INDISCERNIBLE) UP THE NUMBERS?

MR. DILAN: NO, BUT I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, TO

THE EXTENT THAT YOU MAKE SEVERAL ERRONEOUS OR FALSE COMPLAINTS TO

CANY, YOU RUN THE RISK OF BEING IGNORED. I -- I WOULD THINK YOU

WOULD WANT TO USE THIS WHEN -- WHEN YOU ACTUALLY NEED IT AND IF YOU'RE

IN TROUBLE THAT SOMEONE'S ACTUALLY LISTENING TO IT. BUT THE ANSWER IS --

THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.

MR. GANDOLFO: ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE ALL THE

QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU TO THE SPONSOR FOR ANSWERING THEM.

MADAM SPEAKER, ON THE BILL BRIEFLY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON THE BILL.

MR. GANDOLFO: AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE SPONSOR

CLARIFYING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RELATED TO THIS CHAPTER

AMENDMENT. I'M -- I'M -- I KNOW WE HAVE SOME CHANGES TO THE

MAKEUP OF THE COMMISSION, BUT I STILL THINK GLARINGLY ABSENT IS THE

REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE WHO IS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE

INTERESTS OF THE CORRECTIONS OFFICERS AND WHO CAN SHARE THEIR

PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A REQUIREMENT ON THIS COMISSION

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE PRISONS IN OUR STATE TO A PLACE THAT IS

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SAFE FOR BOTH THE CORRECTIONS OFFICERS AND THOSE INCARCERATED IN THE

PRISONS. SO WITHOUT THAT CHANGE, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS

CHAPTER AMENDMENT, BUT I DO HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO -- CONTINUE

THE CONVERSATION ON SOME OF THESE REFORMS, WHETHER IT'S GETTING THAT

REPRESENTATION ON THE COMMISSION ON CORRECTIONS, REVISITING THE

HALT ACT WHICH HAS CAUSED AN EXPONENTIAL INCREASE IN ASSAULTS ON

OUR CORRECTIONS OFFICERS, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE PROGRESSING

TOWARD A PLACE WHERE THE PRISONS ARE SAFE FOR EVERYBODY WHO IS

INCARCERATED THERE OR HAS TO WORK THERE.

SO THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MR. MOLITOR.

MR. MOLITOR: THANK YOU. WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WILL THE SPONSOR

YIELD?

MR. DILAN: ABSOLUTELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

MR. MOLITOR: THANK YOU, MR. SPONSOR. I'D LIKE

TO JUST GO THROUGH A COUPLE -- A FEW CHANGES FROM LAST YEAR'S BILL IF I

CAN WITH YOU.

MR. DILAN: SURE.

MR. MOLITOR: LOOKING AT PART B, SECTION C,

WHICH IS LINE 29, COMPREHENSIVE CAMERA COVERAGE.

MR. DILAN: COULD YOU -- COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE

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MORE DIRECTLY INTO THE MIC?

MR. MOLITOR: OH, YEAH. SORRY.

MR. DILAN: I'M HAVING A HARD TIME.

MR. MOLITOR: PART B, SUB-SECTION C, LINE 29 ON

COMPREHENSIVE CAMERA COVERAGE. AM I -- AM I RIGHT IN UNDERSTANDING

THAT IT'S THE COMMISSIONER WHO WILL DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF

SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE USED WITHIN THE FACILITY?

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

MR. MOLITOR: SO THE -- THE VIDEO -- THE VIDEO

QUALITY AND HOW THE VIDEOS -- CAMERA SYSTEM IS GOING TO WORK AND HOW

IT'S GOING TO BE -- ALL THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE STORED IS UP TO THE

COMMISSIONER; IS THAT CORRECT?

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: SO THIS PART, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY,

IS NOT NEW. THIS PART ALREADY EXISTS FOR STORAGE. WAS YOUR QUESTION

AROUND STORAGE?

MR. MOLITOR: IT -- IT'S REALLY ABOUT -- IT'S REALLY

ABOUT DISCRETION. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAW REQUIRES SURVEILLANCE

VIDEO CAMERAS AND REQUIRES THOSE -- THE VIDEO FROM THOSE CAMERAS TO

BE STORED. BUT DOES THE COMMISSIONER HAVE DISCRETION AS TO WHAT KIND

OF SYSTEM THEY'RE PURCHASING, WHAT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO IS GOING TO

BE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE STORED AND ARCHIVED, ALL OF THOSE

THINGS?

MR. DILAN: YES. AND IT'S ALSO PART OF THE

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PROCUREMENT PROCESS, SO YES.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. AND DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE A

SEPARATE BUDGET ITEM COMING TO FUND THE -- THE AMOUNT OF SURVEILLANCE

CAMERAS AND RETENTION FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR THIS

AMOUNT OF DATA?

MR. DILAN: SO WE PASSED -- WE MADE A $400

MILLION APPROPRIATION IN THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT THE STATE IS OPERATING

UNDER. AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS $400 MILLION

APPROPRIATION MADE IN THE BUDGET PRIOR TO THAT. SO EVERYTHING THAT

NEEDS TO BE FUNDED AS IT RELATES TO CAMERAS INCLUDING THE VEHICLES THAT

WE DISCUSSED EARLY, THE EXECUTIVE AND -- THE EXECUTIVE BELIEVES IS -- IS

FULLY FUNDED WITH THAT -- WITH THOSE AMOUNTS WE'VE ALREADY

APPROPRIATED.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. THANK YOU.

GOING ON TO SUB-SECTION 3 -- SORRY, 4D, IN REGARDS TO

THE REQUIREMENTS, 4D.

MR. DILAN: STILL PART -- STILL PART B?

MR. MOLITOR: STILL PART B, YUP. REGARDING THE

REQUIREMENTS FOR -- FOR THE DATA STORAGE.

SO THE COMMISSIONER, AT A MINIMUM, HAS TO KEEP ALL

VIDEOS STORED FOR SIXTY DAYS, RIGHT?

MR. DILAN: YES.

MR. MOLITOR: AND THEN IF IT'S PART OF A SPECIAL

INVESTIGATION OR THERE'S AN ALLEGATION OF STAFF MISCONDUCT OR CRIMINAL

ACTIVITY, IT MUST BE PRESERVED NO LESS THAN FIVE YEARS OR LONGER IF

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REQUIRED BY LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS; IS THAT CORRECT?

MR. DILAN: YES.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. SO IF IT'S NOT APPARENT WITHIN

THAT 60 DAYS, THAT, YOU KNOW, A VIDEO THAT'S BEEN STORED, BELONGS TO AN

INVESTIGATION, UNDER -- UNDER THIS LAW, THE COMMISSIONER COULD SAY,

WE'RE NOT STORING IT ANY LONGER. IT'S GONE.

MR. DILAN: THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. NOW I'M GOING TO GO BACK

TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WANT TO -- I WANT TO JUMP FORWARD HERE TO --

BEAR WITH ME HERE. THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS SECTION.

MR. DILAN: IT'S PART J?

MR. MOLITOR: PART J. YES, THANK YOU.

SO I KNOW YOU ALREADY EXPLAINED IT ONCE, BUT CAN YOU

EXPLAIN IT AGAIN FOR ME? HOW DOES THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS WORK NOW

UNDER THIS LAW? OR --

MR. DILAN: WELL, THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS AS THIS

INTENDS TO WORK, DOESN'T -- IT -- SO IF -- IF THERE'S A CURRENT LAW THAT HAS A

STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS OUTSIDE OF A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, THAT LAW STILL

APPLIES INSIDE A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY. THE DIFFERENCE BEING IS THAT ONCE

AN INCARCERATED INDIVIDUAL IS RELEASED, THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO LOOK

BACK AND MAKE A CLAIM UNDER AN EX-STATUTE THAT WOULD'VE OTHERWISE

EXPIRED HAD THEY BEEN IN THE FREE, YOU KNOW, IN -- FREE AND -- AND

MOVING AROUND ABOUT THE STATE.

MR. MOLITOR: SO WHAT IF THEY DON'T GET -- LIKE,

WHAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A RELEASE DATE?

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MR. DILAN: THEN IT DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T APPLY.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. SO JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF

YOU'RE SUING A STATE ENTITY, YOU HAVE ONE YEAR AND 90 DAYS TO

COMMENCE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THAT -- AGAINST THE STATE. IF YOU ARE

INCARCERATED, YOU STILL HAVE ONE YEAR AND 90 DAYS TO COMMENCE A

LAWSUIT AGAINST THE STATE. BUT IF YOU'RE INCARCERATED UNDER LIKE A LIFE

SENTENCE, YOU DON'T GET THE -- YOU DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF HAVING IT --

THE TIME TOLLED. IS THAT --

MR. DILAN: YOU DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THE

LOOK-BACK PERIOD.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. BUT LET'S SAY --

MR. DILAN: WOAH, WOAH, WOAH.

(CONFERRING)

WELL, NO. BUT IT -- I THINK. GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

(CONFERRING)

YEAH. IT ONLY APPLIES POST-RELEASE. SO IF YOU ARE

SERVING -- IF YOU'RE SERVING A LIFE SENTENCE AND YOU -- YOU -- YOU DON'T

GET RELEASED, IT DOES NOT APPLY.

MR. MOLITOR: OKAY. SO LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW,

SOMEONE GETS CONVICTED OF RAPE IN THE FIRST DEGREE AND THEY SERVE A

25 YEARS SENTENCE AND AFTER THAT 25 YEARS SENTENCE IS SERVED, THEY GET

RELEASED, THEY GET A TWO YEAR LOOK-BACK TO FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE

STATE; IS THAT RIGHT?

MR. DILAN: YES. IF THE NORMAL STATUTE HAS EXPIRED,

YES. THE ANSWER'S YES.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MR. MOLITOR: BUT IF THEY'RE -- LET'S SAY THEY'RE STILL

-- LET'S SAY THAT SAME PERSON IS STILL IN PRISON AND THE ONE YEAR AND 90

DAYS GO BY, THEY -- THEY ARE TOLLED FROM FILE -- FROM FILING THE LAWSUIT?

THEY'RE PREVENTED FROM FILING THE LAWSUIT UNTIL THEY GET RELEASED?

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: CAN YOU JUST RESTATE THE QUESTION? I

WANT TO MAKE SURE MY ANSWER'S CORRECT.

MR. MOLITOR: YEAH. IT'S --

MR. DILAN: I THINK HE'S ASKING A DIFFERENT --

MR. MOLITOR: -- IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. SO -- AT

LEAST I'M CONFUSED.

SO SOMEONE GETS CHARGED -- SOMEONE'S [SIC] GET --

GETS CONVICTED OF RAPE IN THE FIRST DEGREE. YOU GET SENTENCED FOR 25

YEARS, RIGHT?

MR. DILAN: MM-HMM.

MR. MOLITOR: LET'S SAY WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR THAT

THEY'RE IN PRISON, THEY SLIP AND FALL AND THEY WANT TO FILE A NEGLIGENCE

LAWSUIT AGAINST THE STATE. THEY HAVE ONE YEAR AND 90 DAYS TO

COMMENCE THAT LAWSUIT. AFTER THAT ONE YEAR AND 90 DAYS HAS PASSED,

THEY CANNOT FILE THAT LAWSUIT UNLESS AND UNTIL THEY WERE RELEASED AFTER

THAT 25 YEAR SENTENCE?

MR. DILAN: THAT IS CORRECT.

MR. MOLITOR: AND THAT -- SO YOU COULD HAVE A

LAWSUIT THAT APPEARS ON THE COURT'S DOCKET 27 YEARS AFTER AN INCIDENT

HAS OCCURRED?

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MR. DILAN: WELL, YES, BUT THEY ALSO DO NOT HAVE TO

WAIT. IF THEY WANT TO COMMENCE THE ACTION WITHIN THE TIME THAT THE

NORMAL STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ALLOWS, THEY CAN DO THAT.

MR. MOLITOR: WHAT IF --

MR. DILAN: THEY CAN USE THIS AS A DISCRETIONARY

MATTER IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THEIR SAFETY'S AT RISK.

MR. MOLITOR: WHAT IF IT WAS BENEFICIAL FOR THEM

TO WAIT? FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER THE 60 DAYS WHEN ALL THE VIDEO HAS BEEN

DESTROYED.

(CONFERRING)

MR. DILAN: IT -- IT WILL BE -- I WOULD THINK IT WOULD

BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO PROVE THEIR CLAIMS, SO IT WOULDN'T BE

BENEFICIAL. BECAUSE IF THE CAMERA FOOTAGE IS GONE, THEY -- THEY STILL

HAVE TO PROVE THEIR CLAIM. JUST BECAUSE THEY MAKE AN ALLEGATION

DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY GET REWARDED FOR THEIR CLAIMS, SO I WOULD THINK

THAT THEY WOULD LOSE THE BENEFIT IF THE CAMERA FOOTAGE IS -- IS -- IS NOT

AVAILABLE. I WOULD THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY -- THEY WOULD WANT TO

USE.

MR. MOLITOR: WELL, IF THEIR CLAIM WAS TRUE THEY

CERTAINLY WOULD -- WOULD -- THEY'D CERTAINLY LOSE THAT BENEFIT. BUT IF

THEY WERE MAKING IT UP. YOU KNOW, ON A CIVIL LAWSUIT, YOU ONLY NEED

TO PROVE SOMETHING BY A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE. SO IF YOU

DIDN'T HAVE VIDEO TO REFUTE YOUR CLAIM, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU

TO FILE A SUMMARY JUDGMENT MOTION; WOULD IT NOT?

(CONFERRING)

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MR. DILAN: YEAH, BUT IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO SUCCEED

ON A SLIP AND FALL CLAIM 27 YEARS AFTER THE FACT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK

THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW -- AND THE KEY WORD IS THINK. I DON'T THINK THEY

WOULD WAIT THAT LONG ON A -- ON A SLIP AND FALL CLAIM.

MR. MOLITOR: BUT IT'S NOT JUST -- IT'S NOT JUST

LIMITED TO SLIP AND FALLS, IT COULD BE ANY INJURY YOU SUFFER.

MR. DILAN: IT COULD BE ANYTHING. IT COULD BE

ANYTHING.

MR. MOLITOR: THANK YOU, MR. DILAN.

ON THE BILL.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON THE BILL.

MR. MOLITOR: I -- I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE A

NUMBER OF CHANGES MADE IN THIS BILL AND THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT THAT

ARE BENEFICIAL. I THINK HAVING VIDEO IN CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES AND IN THE

VEHICLES THAT ARE USED FOR TRANSPORT IS A GOOD IDEA AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR

THAT IT'S PROPERLY -- IT'S BEING PROPERLY FUNDED. I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH

THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS EXTENSION. YOU KNOW, A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN

WHO IS INJURED AS A RESULT OF THE STATE'S NEGLIGENCE ONLY GETS ONE YEAR

AND 90 DAYS. THERE'S NO TOLLING FOR THEM. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE

-- WE SHOULD TOLL THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE

BEEN CONVICTED OF FELONIES, SOME OF WHICH ARE VERY SERIOUS CRIMES.

I THINK THIS BILL CREATES, THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT IN

PARTICULAR, CREATES TWO DIFFERENT CLASSES UNDER THE LAW. AND I THINK

THEY'RE ALL -- THIS BILL -- I THINK THE WAY THIS BILL'S STRUCTURED AND THE

WAY THE RETENTION LANGUAGE IS FOR THE VIDEOS IS GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF MERITLESS CLAIMS

FILED IN COURT AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE EXPENSES FOR OUR STATE.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'LL BE VOTING NO ON THIS BILL AND

I'D ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO DO SO AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: A PARTY VOTE HAS

BEEN REQUESTED.

MS. WALSH.

MS. WALSH: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. THE

MINORITY CONFERENCE WILL BE IN THE NEGATIVE ON THIS PIECE OF

LEGISLATION, BUT IF THERE ARE MEMBERS WHO WISH TO VOTE YES, THEY MAY

DO SO NOW AT THEIR SEATS.

THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: THANK YOU, MADAM

SPEAKER. THE MAJORITY CONFERENCE IS GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PIECE

OF LEGISLATION; HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT DESIRE TO BE AN

EXCEPTION. THEY SHOULD FEEL FREE TO DO SO AT THEIR SEATS.

THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

THE CLERK WILL RECORD THE VOTE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MR. MEEKS TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. MEEKS: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I RISE IN

SUPPORT OF THE AMENDMENTS WE'RE MAKING HERE.

MANY OF US KNEW THAT WHEN WE PASSED THE OMNIBUS

BILL THAT IT WAS TRULY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND RECOGNIZING THE

HUMANITY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED IN THE STATE OF

NEW YORK. AND WE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD GET IT 100% CORRECT

THE FIRST TIME AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY MAKING NECESSARY

AMENDMENTS AND WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. BUT I DO APPRECIATE THOSE

WHO STAND IN SUPPORT AND THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT TO RECOGNIZE THE

HUMANITY OF OUR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

THEY WERE -- SOME WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF CRIMES, HAVE BEEN

SENTENCED TO DO TIME, WHICH SHOULD NOT SUBJECT TO THEM PERPETUAL

PUNISHMENT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE SPONSORS AND

LET'S CONTINUE TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: MR. MEEKS IN THE

AFFIRMATIVE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES FOR THE PURPOSE OF AN

INTRODUCTION.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: THANK YOU, MADAM

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

SPEAKER. IT'S AN HONOR TO INTRODUCE AND ASK FOR THE CORDIALITIES OF THE

HOUSE FOR OUR FORMER ASSEMBLYMEMBER, JACK MCENENY WHO IS HERE

WITH THE MASSACHUSETTS STATE INSPECTOR GENERAL JEFFREY SHAPIRO. MR.

SHAPIRO IS VISITING THE CAPITOL DAY [SIC] AND HE'S ALSO JOINED BY STATE --

NEW YORK STATE INSPECTOR GENERAL LUCY LANG FOR A PUBLIC PROGRAM

THIS EVENING IN THE MUSEUM.

SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE OFFER THESE ESTEEMED GUESTS TO

OUR CHAMBERS, ALL THE CORDIALITIES OF THE FLOOR AND GIVE THEM YOUR BEST

GREETING, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: YES, OF COURSE. ON

BEHALF OF MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE

WELCOME OUR DISTINGUISHED GUESTS AND OUR FORMER COLLEAGUE BACK TO

THE ASSEMBLY CHAMBER AND EXTENDING TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

FLOOR. WE HOPE YOU ENJOY THE PROCEEDINGS TODAY. THANK YOU FOR

JOINING US TODAY. SIR, ONCE A MEMBER, ALWAYS A MEMBER. WELCOME

BACK. THANK YOU.

(APPLAUSE)

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MADAM SPEAKER, IF WE

CAN NOW GO BACK TO OUR A-CALENDAR AND CONTINUE OUR WORK WITH PAGE

3, RULES REPORT NO. 60.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

ON CONSENT, PAGE 3, RULES REPORT NO. 60, THE CLERK

WILL READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09432, RULES REPORT

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

NO. 60, WOERNER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE RACING, PARI-MUTUEL WAGERING

AND BREEDING LAW, IN RELATION TO WELFARE, MEDICAL, AND RETIREMENT

PLANS PROVIDED BY A HORSEMEN'S ORGANIZATION IN THE ABSENCE OF

CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MS.

WOERNER, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09433, RULES REPORT

NO. 61, WOERNER. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW, IN

RELATION TO ELECTRONIC BELL JAR GAMES; TO AMEND A CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF

2025 AMENDING THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW RELATING TO ELECTRONIC BELL

JAR GAMES, AS PROPOSED IN LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBERS S06351-B AND

A07475-B, IN RELATION TO THE LEGISLATIVE FINDING AND PURPOSE AND THE

EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09439, RULES REPORT

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

NO. 62, MCDONALD. AN ACT TO AMEND THE COUNTY LAW, IN RELATION TO

MANDATORY CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR CORONERS AND

CORONER'S DEPUTIES; AND TO AMEND A CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF 2025,

AMENDING THE COUNTY LAW RELATING TO MANDATORY CONTINUING EDUCATION

REQUIREMENTS FOR CORONERS AND CORONER'S DEPUTIES, AS PROPOSED IN

LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBER S03637 AND A04014, IN RELATION TO THE

EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09457, RULES REPORT

NO. 63, RAJKUMAR. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL PROPERTY ACTIONS AND

PROCEEDINGS LAW, IN RELATION TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS FOR A GRANT OF

PERMISSION FOR ACCESS TO ADJOINING PROPERTY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS OR

REPAIRS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MS.

RAJKUMAR, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09490, RULES REPORT

NO. 64, STERN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE VETERANS' SERVICES LAW, IN

RELATION TO VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES FOR VETERANS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MR.

STERN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09495, RULES REPORT

NO. 65, GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION TO

PROVIDING CONFIDENTIALITY FOR COMMUNICATIONS ARISING OUT OF LAW

ENFORCEMENT PEER SUPPORT COUNSELING.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MS.

GRIFFIN, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09496, RULES REPORT

NO. 66, LAVINE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE DOMESTIC RELATIONS LAW, IN

RELATION TO WHAT QUALIFIES AS AN APPLICABLE, TIMELY AND RELEVANT

ECONOMIC ISSUE FOR NO FAULT SEPARATION.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MR.

LAVINE, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

READ THE LAST SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09497, RULES REPORT

NO. 67, LAVINE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ESTATES, POWERS AND TRUSTS LAW,

IN RELATION TO ELECTRONIC WILLS; TO AMEND THE JUDICIARY LAW, IN RELATION

TO RULES RELATING TO ELECTRONIC WILLS; AND TO AMEND A CHAPTER OF THE

LAWS OF 2025 AMENDING THE ESTATES, POWERS AND TRUSTS LAW AND THE

STATE TECHNOLOGY LAW RELATING TO ELECTRONIC WILLS, AS PROPOSED IN

LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBERS S07416-A AND A07856-A, IN RELATION TO THE

EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09499, RULES REPORT

NO. 68, STECK. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL PROPERTY LAW, IN RELATION TO

REQUIRING THE MODIFICATION OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS PRIOR TO THE SALE OF

REAL PROPERTY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09501, RULES REPORT

NO. 69, BRONSON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE INSURANCE LAW AND THE GENERAL

BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO PROCEDURES FOR PROTECTIONS OF LEGALLY

PROTECTED HEALTH ACTIVITIES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON A MOTION BY MR.

BRONSON, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE SENATE BILL IS

ADVANCED.

THIS BILL IS LAID ASIDE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A09513, RULES REPORT

NO. 70, CASHMAN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE COUNTY LAW, IN RELATION TO

PERMITTING LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS TO REQUEST COPIES OF CERTAIN REPORTS

AND RECORDS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MR. CASHMAN, THIS IS YOUR VERY FIRST BILL.

CONGRATULATIONS.

(APPLAUSE)

MR. FALL.

MR. FALL: MADAM SPEAKER, CAN WE MOVE TO

CONSENT ON PAGE 16, CALENDAR 70?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

ON CONSENT, PAGE 16, CALENDAR NO. 70, THE CLERK WILL

READ.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01865-A, CALENDAR

NO. 70, ROSENTHAL, BURDICK, SEAWRIGHT, LUCAS, LEVENBERG. AN ACT TO

AMEND THE REAL PROPERTY LAW, IN RELATION TO THE INSTALLATION OF

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

APPLIANCES OR FIXTURES BY TENANTS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01867-A, CALENDAR

NO. 71, ROSENTHAL, BICHOTTE HERMELYN, BURDICK, SEAWRIGHT, COLTON,

LEE. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF THE CITY OF NEW

YORK, IN RELATION TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A BUILDING OWNER TO REFUSE TO

RENEW A LEASE WHEN THE BUILDING IS TO BE DEMOLISHED.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01886, CALENDAR NO.

72, ROSENTHAL, RAGA, TAYLOR, BURDICK. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK, THE EMERGENCY TENANT

ACT OF NINETEEN SEVENTY-FOUR AND THE EMERGENCY HOUSING RENT

CONTROL LAW, IN RELATION TO INSPECTION OF MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS

FOR WHICH RENT INCREASES ARE REQUESTED AND IN RELATION TO EXTENDING THE

PROVISIONS OF THE RENT STABILIZATION LAW.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01892, CALENDAR NO.

73, PAULIN, DE LOS SANTOS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC

LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING REAR OCCUPANT ALERT SYSTEMS IN CERTAIN

VEHICLES; AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON

EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01906, CALENDAR NO.

74, COLTON, ROSENTHAL, WALKER, COOK, SEAWRIGHT, TAYLOR, GLICK,

WILLIAMS, RIVERA. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC AUTHORITIES LAW, IN

RELATION TO PROVIDING NOTIFICATION TO CUSTOMERS OF BED BUG INFESTATIONS

ON MTA SUBWAYS, TRAINS AND BUSES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01962-B, CALENDAR

NO. 75, ANDERSON, SEAWRIGHT, CUNNINGHAM, WEPRIN, CRUZ, DINOWITZ,

SCHIAVONI, GONZ LEZ-ROJAS, LAVINE, ROMERO, GLICK, GRIFFIN, BURDICK,

ROSENTHAL, LASHER, SIMON, BURROUGHS, BICHOTTE HERMELYN, HEVESI,

COLTON, SHIMSKY, ZACCARO, SOLAGES, JACKSON, WIEDER, ZINERMAN,

TAPIA, TAYLOR, SIMONE, CHANDLER-WATERMAN, KASSAY, LUNSFORD, DAIS,

STECK, SAYEGH, ROZIC, STERN, PAULIN, TORRES, ALVAREZ, RAMOS, GIBBS,

P. CARROLL, BENEDETTO, WALKER, LEVENBERG, PEOPLES-STOKES, JACOBSON,

OTIS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PENAL LAW, IN RELATION TO ENACTING

"FRANCESCO'S LAW"; TO AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION TO ANNUAL

REPORTS BY THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION;

AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE PENAL LAW

RELATING TO SAFELY STORING RIFLES, SHOTGUNS, AND FIREARMS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01967-B, CALENDAR

NO. 76, PAULIN, SAYEGH, MANKTELOW, COLTON, STECK, KAY. AN ACT TO

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

AMEND THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, IN RELATION TO THE USE OF ELECTRONIC

MONITORING DEVICES IN THE ROOMS OF RESIDENTS IN ASSISTED LIVING

RESIDENCES AND PATIENTS IN NURSING HOMES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A01994, CALENDAR NO.

77, COLTON, RIVERA, CRUZ, DESTEFANO, HYNDMAN, WILLIAMS, TAYLOR,

JACOBSON, SEAWRIGHT, BENDETT. AN ACT TO AMEND THE VEHICLE AND

TRAFFIC LAW, IN RELATION TO PARKING INFRACTIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02093-C, CALENDAR

NO. 79, FALL, CUNNINGHAM, BORES, SANTABARBARA, ALVAREZ. AN ACT TO

AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO ENACTING THE

"CONSUMER PROTECTION AND AUTOMOTIVE TRANSPARENCY ACT".

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02119-A, CALENDAR

80, WEPRIN, SHRESTHA, ANDERSON, COOK, SIMONE, SAYEGH, ALVAREZ,

JACOBSON, ZACCARO, STECK, GONZ LEZ-ROJAS, RAGA, KELLES, SIMON,

BORES, MEEKS, LEVENBERG, DAVILA, GIBBS, REYES, TAPIA, SHIMSKY,

BURDICK, R. CARROLL, CLARK, RIVERA, GALLAGHER, BURROUGHS, COLTON,

BENEDETTO, SEAWRIGHT, ROSENTHAL, LUCAS, FORREST. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

CORRECTION LAW, IN RELATION TO WHO MAY VISIT LOCAL CORRECTIONAL

FACILITIES.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02193-A, CALENDAR

NO. 81, MAGNARELLI, DE LOS SANTOS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE VEHICLE AND

TRAFFIC LAW, IN RELATION TO MAKING TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS TO THE

ADJUDICATION OF CERTAIN TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS; AND TO REPEAL CERTAIN

PROVISIONS OF SUCH LAW RELATING THERETO.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02212, CALENDAR NO.

82, BRAUNSTEIN, WOERNER, STECK, PAULIN, BRABENEC, STIRPE, JACOBSON.

AN ACT TO AMEND THE STATE FINANCE LAW AND THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL

LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING FULL PAYMENT FOR DELIVERED AND ACCEPTED

MATERIALS PERTAINING TO PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS; AND TO AMEND THE GENERAL

BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO PROHIBITING THE RETENTION OF ANY PAYMENT

DUE AND OWING A MATERIAL SUPPLIER FOR A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02287, CALENDAR NO.

83, ROSENTHAL. AN ACT TO AMEND THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF THE CITY

OF NEW YORK, IN RELATION TO INCLUDING THE ILLEGAL CONVERSATIONS OF

DWELLING UNITS IN THE DEFINITION OF HARASSMENT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02321, CALENDAR NO.

84, MCDONALD, SIMON, KELLES, MCMAHON, SIMONE, BURROUGHS, CRUZ,

REYES. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC OFFICERS LAW, IN RELATION TO

REQUIRING AGENCIES TO REPORT INFORMATION ABOUT FOIL INQUIRIES TO THE

COMMITTEE ON OPEN GOVERNMENT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02332-B, CALENDAR

NO. 85, BERGER, LEE, KAY. AN ACT TO AMEND THE SOCIAL SERVICES LAW,

IN RELATION TO REQUIRING ANY WEBSITE OR MOBILE APPLICATION ASSOCIATED

WITH AN ELECTRONIC BENEFIT TRANSFER SYSTEM TO BE OFFERED IN THE TWELVE

MOST COMMON NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02384-A, CALENDAR

NO. 86, EICHENSTEIN, WEPRIN, GALLAGHER, REYES, DILAN, ROSENTHAL,

WIEDER, STECK, ALVAREZ, KAY, LASHER, SANTABARBARA, TORRES, TAPIA,

GALLAHAN, JACOBSON, GRIFFIN, E. BROWN, OTIS, COLTON, BLUMENCRANZ,

BLANKENBUSH, BUTTENSCHON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE INSURANCE LAW AND

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, IN RELATION TO PROVIDING INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR

RARE DISEASES, LIFE-THREATENING CONDITIONS OR DISEASES, DEGENERATIVE AND

DISABLING CONDITIONS, OR DIAGNOSES INVOLVING MEDICALLY FRAGILE

CHILDREN.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02430, CALENDAR NO.

87, BRAUNSTEIN, GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC SERVICE LAW, IN

RELATION TO REQUIRING THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION TO DEVELOP A

FORMULA FOR THE CALCULATION OF A RESIDENTIAL WATER COST INDEX; REQUIRING

EACH WATER-WORKS COOPERATION AND MUNICIPAL WATER SYSTEM SERVING

ONE THOUSAND CUSTOMERS OR MORE TO CALCULATE AND SUBMIT TO THE PUBLIC

SERVICE COMMISSION ITS RESIDENTIAL WATER COST INDEX; AND REQUIRING THE

PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION TO PUBLISH A REPORT ON THE RESIDENTIAL WATER

COST INDEX OF EACH APPLICABLE WATER-WORKS CORPORATION AND MUNICIPAL

WATER SYSTEM.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02431, CALENDAR NO.

88, BRAUNSTEIN, OTIS, COLTON, P. CARROLL. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PUBLIC

SERVICE LAW, IN RELATION TO CLARIFYING HOW CERTAIN NON-BILLING

INFORMATION REGARDING THE DELIVERY OF WATER IS DISCLOSED TO RESIDENTS OF

COOPERATIVES, CONDOMINIUMS OR MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02441, CALENDAR NO.

89, HEVESI, GONZ LEZ-ROJAS, TAPIA, ROSENTHAL, BICHOTTE HERMELYN,

PAULIN, CLARK, GIBBS, R. CARROLL, RAGA, SIMONE, MEEKS, SIMON,

FORREST, TAYLOR, SEAWRIGHT, SHRESTHA, CRUZ, GALLAGHER, WALKER,

BURDICK. AN ACT TO AMEND THE FAMILY COURT ACT, IN RELATION TO THE

CONFIDENTIALITY AND EXPUNGEMENT OF RECORDS IN JUVENILE DELINQUENCY

CASES IN THE FAMILY COURT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02538-A, CALENDAR

NO. 90, DAVILA, CUNNINGHAM. AN ACT TO AMEND THE SOCIAL SERVICES

LAW, IN RELATION TO FINGER IMAGING FOR SNAP BENEFIT RECIPIENTS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02539, CALENDAR NO.

91, DINOWITZ, WEPRIN, WILLIAMS, COLTON, SEAWRIGHT, SIMON, RAGA,

OTIS, ALVAREZ. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION

TO REQUIRING MANDATORY ARBITRATION CLAUSES IN CERTAIN CONSUMER

CONTRACTS TO BE PRINTED IN LARGE FONT TYPE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02565, CALENDAR NO.

92, WAS PREVIOUSLY AMENDED ON THIRD READING.

ASSEMBLY NO. A02573, CALENDAR NO. 93, MCDONALD,

ROZIC, OTIS, SAYEGH. AN ACT TO AMEND THE NEW YORK STATE PRINTING

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

AND PUBLIC DOCUMENTS LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING STATE AGENCIES TO

MAKE AVAILABLE ALL PUBLIC DOCUMENTS IN A DIGITAL FORMAT ON THEIR

WEBSITE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02589-A, CALENDAR

NO. 94, KELLES, LUPARDO, JACOBSON, MEEKS, SANTABARBARA, OTIS,

SEAWRIGHT, SIMON, STECK, DAVILA, REYES, COLTON, ANGELINO, BURDICK,

WEPRIN, SHIMSKY, DE LOS SANTOS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CIVIL RIGHTS

LAW, IN RELATION TO WAIVING THE STATE'S SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY TO CLAIMS

UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990, THE FAIR LABOR

STANDARDS ACT OF 1938, THE AGE DISCRIMINATION IN EMPLOYMENT ACT OF

1967, AND THE FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02611, CALENDAR NO.

95, OTIS, SEAWRIGHT, SIMON, STIRPE, SAYEGH. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL

PROPERTY LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING LANDLORDS TO MITIGATE DAMAGES

WHEN COMMERCIAL TENANTS VACATE PREMISES IN VIOLATION OF THE TERMS OF

THE LEASE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02620-B, CALENDAR

NO. 97, HEVESI, CLARK, RAGA, SIMON, KELLES, DINOWITZ, ROSENTHAL,

ZACCARO, R. CARROLL, LAVINE, GLICK, GONZ LEZ-ROJAS, BRONSON,

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

CUNNINGHAM, MEEKS, ALVAREZ, PAULIN, DE LOS SANTOS, BORES, SIMONE,

GALLAGHER, WALKER, GIBBS, LUNSFORD, TAPIA, WOERNER, BICHOTTE

HERMELYN, CRUZ, SHRESTHA, SEAWRIGHT, DAVILA, HYNDMAN, STECK,

ZINERMAN, SCHIAVONI, LEVENBERG, P. CARROLL, TAYLOR, BURDICK, WEPRIN,

OTIS, FORREST, VANEL, LUPARDO, REYES, SEPTIMO, MITAYNES, BURROUGHS,

SOLAGES, DAIS, SHIMSKY, ANDERSON, KIM, VALDEZ, MCMAHON, LASHER,

DILAN, WRIGHT, HOOKS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE FAMILY COURT ACT AND THE

CRIMINAL PROCEDURE LAW, IN RELATION TO THE CUSTODIAL INTERROGATION OF

JUVENILES BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02630-A, CALENDAR

NO. 98, KELLES, KAY. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE LAW, IN

RELATION TO THE PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY OF URINE TEST RESULTS

PERFORMED PURSUANT TO A JUDICIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02633, CALENDAR NO.

99, LUNSFORD, COLTON, MAGNARELLI, GRIFFIN TAYLOR, HYNDMAN. AN ACT IN

RELATION TO DIRECTING THE PRESIDENT OF THE STATE CIVIL SERVICE

COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A STUDY ON JOB VACANCIES ACROSS STATE AGENCIES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A02657-A, CALENDAR

NO. 100, OTIS, ROSENTHAL, SIMON, LUNSFORD, SHIMSKY, SIMONE,

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MCDONALD, GRIFFIN, COLTON, SEAWRIGHT, LEVENBERG, REYES, BRONSON,

BURDICK, GALLAGHER, CUNNINGHAM, MCMAHON, SCHIAVONI, PAULIN,

SHRESTHA, CLARK, BRAUNSTEIN, KASSAY, GLICK, WOERNER, STIRPE. AN ACT

TO AMEND THE PUBLIC AUTHORITIES LAW, IN RELATION TO ESTABLISHING THE

ELECTRIC LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT REBATE PROGRAM; AND PROVIDING FOR

THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03085-B, CALENDAR

NO. 101, R. CARROLL, GALLAGHER, LEVENBERG, HYNDMAN, REYES,

ROSENTHAL, SANTABARBARA. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW,

IN RELATION TO PROMOTING CONSUMER CHOICE BY REQUIRING MANUFACTURERS

OF DIGITAL ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT TO PROVIDE RETAIL SELLERS WITH A ONE

THROUGH TEN REPAIR SCORE THAT WILL BE DISPLAYED TO CONSUMERS AT POINT OF

SALE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03121, CALENDAR NO.

102, ROSENTHAL, TAYLOR, BURDICK, OTIS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL

PROPERTY LAW IN RELATION TO PROHIBITING RESIDENTIAL LANDLORDS FROM

CHARGING TENANTS WITH FEES FOR THE PAYMENT OF RENT THROUGH AN

AUTOMATED CLEARING HOUSE OR ONLINE PAYMENT SYSTEM.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03125-A, CALENDAR

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

NO. 103, ROSENTHAL, GLICK, LEVENBERG, SHIMSKY, SIMON, BURDICK,

JACKSON, LUCAS, OTIS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE REAL PROPERTY LAW, IN

RELATION TO THE USE OF AUTOMATED HOUSING DECISION MAKING TOOLS TO

MAKE HOUSING DECISIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03126-A, CALENDAR

NO. 104, LUNSFORD, MCDONALD, P. CARROLL, GLICK, GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO

AMEND THE EXECUTIVE LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING THAT WHEN A

COMPLAINT IS MADE TO LOCAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OF A VIOLATION OF THE

UNIFORM FIRE PREVENTION AND BUILDING CODE OR LOCAL BUILDING CODES

WHICH RESULT IN THE ISSUANCE OF A COMPLIANCE ORDER, THE COMPLAINANT

SHALL ALSO BE PROVIDED A COPY OF SUCH ORDER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03228-A, CALENDAR

NO. 105, LAVINE, SANTABARBARA. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS

LAW, IN RELATION TO PROVIDING FOR ELECTRONIC NOTICE FOR COLLATERAL LOAN

BROKERS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 180TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03318, CALENDAR NO.

106, DINOWITZ, COLTON, PAULIN, SEAWRIGHT, BURDICK. AN ACT TO AMEND

THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO ARBITRATION ORGANIZATIONS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03359, CALENDAR NO.

107, DINOWITZ, COLTON, SHIMSKY, GLICK, SIMON, TAPIA, ALVAREZ,

SAYEGH. AN ACT TO AMEND THE PENAL LAW, IN RELATION TO THE CRIME OF

COMPUTER TAMPERING IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03361, CALENDAR NO.

108, VANEL, SANTABARBARA. AN ACT CREATING A TEMPORARY STATE

COMMISSION TO STUDY AND INVESTIGATE HOW TO REGULATE ARTIFICAL

INTELLIGENCE, ROBOTICS AND AUTOMATION; AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF

SUCH PROVISIONS UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03369-A, CALENDAR

NO. 109, DINOWITZ, WILLIAMS, COLTON, SEAWRIGHT, REYES, KELLES. AN

ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING NOTICE

OF MANDATORY ARBITRATION CLAUSES IN CERTAIN CONSUMER CONTRACTS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03411-B, CALENDAR

NO. 110, VANEL, OTIS, SANTABARBARA. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL

BUSINESS LAW, IN RELATION TO REQUIRING NOTICES ON GENERATIVE ARTIFICAL

INTELLIGENCE SYSTEMS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 90TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03536, CALENDAR NO.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

111, SANTABARBARA, SCHIAVONI, REYES, DESTEFANO, GIGLIO, LEVENBERG,

SAYEGH, WALSH, OTIS. AN ACT TO AMEND THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, IN

RELATION TO REQUIRING NAVIGATION SYSTEMS UTILIZING GPS TECHNOLOGY TO

IDENTIFY THE HEIGHT OF ANY BRIDGE OR OVERPASS ALONG A PROPOSED ROUTE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03549, CALENDAR NO.

112, SANTABARBARA, COLTON, PHEFFER AMATO, BUTTENSCHON, DESTEFANO,

KAY, GRIFFIN. AN ACT TO AMEND THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW, IN RELATION TO

ACCESS TO CERTAIN MENTAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES FOR EMERGENCY

DISPATCHERS AND CORRECTION OFFICERS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03595-A, CALENDAR

NO. 113, BICHOTTE HERMELYN, ALVAREZ, EACHUS, TAYLOR. AN ACT

AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE COMMISSIONER OF EDUCATION TO CONDUCT A

STUDY ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO ARE CAREGIVERS AND HOW BEING A

CAREGIVER IMPACTS THEIR EDUCATION.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03681-A, CALENDAR

NO. 114, WOERNER, SANTABARBARA, SAYEGH. AN ACT TO AMEND THE

GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW, IN RELATION TO REMOVING RESTRICTIONS ON THE

FREQUENCY CERTAIN AUTHORIZED ORGANIZATIONS MAY CONDUCT BINGO GAMES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 90TH

DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

MR. REILLY TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

MR. REILLY: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I CAN'T

HELP BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE BOARD AND JUST TO BREAK UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE

MONOTONY. MY MOM PASSED AWAY ON THIS DATE IN 2004. AND SHE WAS

AN AVID BINGO LOVER. AND WHEN I SAW THAT UP THERE, IT REALLY SPARKED A

MOMENT FOR ME. SO I -- I WANTED TO JUST STAND HERE AND JUST -- JUST TELL

YOU, SOMETIMES YOU'RE SITTING HERE AND YOU'RE VOTING ON THINGS AND ALL

OF A SUDDEN IT TRIGGERS A MEMORY. SO I'M HOPING THAT THIS HELPED SPARK

SOMETHING IN YOU. WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE, MAYBE YOU'LL HAVE A

MEMORY.

THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MR. REILLY IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

(APPLAUSE)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03682-A, CALENDAR

NO. 115, PEOPLES-STOKES, SCHIAVONI, LASHER, COLTON, TORRES, LEE, OTIS.

AN ACT DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND

HEALTH TO ESTABLISH ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS FOR AMBIENT LEAD AND LEAD

CONTAMINATION IN SOILS; AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF SUCH PROVISIONS

UPON EXPIRATION THEREOF.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03687-B, CALENDAR

NO. 116, WEPRIN, HEVESI, DAVILA, PAULIN, BROOK-KRASNY, JACOBSON.

AN ACT TO AMEND THE INSURANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO ADDRESSING

NON-COVERED DENTAL SERVICES.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03849, CALENDAR NO.

117, WEPRIN, PAULIN, DINOWITZ, SAYEGH. AN ACT TO REPEAL SECTION 470

OF THE JUDICIARY LAW, RELATING TO ALLOWING ATTORNEYS HAVING OFFICES IN

THE STATE TO RESIDE IN AN ADJOINING STATE.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THIS BILL IS LAID

ASIDE.

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

THE CLERK: ASSEMBLY NO. A03919-B, CALENDAR

NO. 118, WEPRIN, HEVESI, TAYLOR, PAULIN, BROOK-KRASNY, KAY,

JACOBSON. AN ACT TO AMEND THE INSURANCE LAW, IN RELATION TO

ESTABLISHING A REQUIREMENT FOR INFORMATION RELATED TO SPECIALIZED

DENTAL BENEFIT PLANS.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: READ THE LAST

SECTION.

THE CLERK: THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THE CLERK WILL

RECORD THE VOTE.

(THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES? ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

(THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

THE BILL IS PASSED.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER

HOUSEKEEPING AND/OR RESOLUTIONS?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: WE HAVE NO

HOUSEKEEPING. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RESOLUTIONS BEFORE THE HOUSE.

WITHOUT OBJECTION, THESE RESOLUTIONS WILL BE TAKEN UP

TOGETHER.

ON THE RESOLUTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

AYE; OPPOSED, NO. THE RESOLUTIONS ARE ADOPTED.

(WHEREUPON, ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NOS. 884 THROUGH

897 WERE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.)

NYS ASSEMBLY JANUARY 28, 2026

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: MADAM SPEAKER, WILL

YOU PLEASE CALL ON MS. CLARK FOR THE PURPOSE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT?

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: MS. CLARK FOR THE

PURPOSE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

MS. CLARK: THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I'M HERE

TO ANNOUNCE THERE WILL BE A MAJORITY CONFERENCE IMMEDIATELY

FOLLOWING SESSION, HEARING ROOM C. MAJORITY CONFERENCE

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING SESSION. THANK YOU.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: THANK YOU.

IMMEDIATE MAJORITY CONFERENCE AT THE CONCLUSION OF SESSION, HEARING

ROOM C.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES: I NOW MOVE THAT THE

ASSEMBLY STAND ADJOURNED AND THAT WE RECONVENE AT 10:00 A.M.,

THURSDAY, JANUARY THE 29TH, TOMORROW BEING A SESSION DAY.

ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER: ON MRS.

PEOPLES-STOKES' MOTION, THE HOUSE STANDS ADJOURNED.

(WHEREUPON, AT 3:55 P.M. THE HOUSE STOOD ADJOURNED

UNTIL THURSDAY, JANUARY 29TH AT 10:00 A.M., THAT BEING A SESSION DAY.)