TUESDAY, MARCH 11, 2025                                                                         2:31 P.M.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE HOUSE WILL

                    COME TO ORDER.

                                 GOOD AFTERNOON, COLLEAGUES.

                                 IN THE ABSENCE OF CLERGY, LET US PAUSE FOR A MOMENT OF

                    SILENCE.

                                 (WHEREUPON, A MOMENT OF SILENCE WAS OBSERVED.)

                                 VISITORS ARE INVITED TO JOIN MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE OF

                    ALLEGIANCE.

                                 (WHEREUPON, ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER LED VISITORS AND

                    MEMBERS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.)

                                 A QUORUM BEING PRESENT, THE CLERK WILL READ THE

                    JOURNAL OF MONDAY, MARCH 10TH.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MADAM SPEAKER, I MOVE

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                    TO DISPENSE WITH THE FURTHER READING OF THE JOURNAL OF MONDAY, MARCH

                    THE 10TH AND THAT THE SAME STAND APPROVED.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  WITHOUT OBJECTION,

                    SO ORDERED.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  THANK YOU, MADAM

                    SPEAKER, TO OUR COLLEAGUES THAT ARE IN THE CHAMBER AS WELL AS THE MANY

                    GUESTS THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY, INCLUDING SPOT.

                                 I WANT TO SHARE THESE WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT FROM

                    GOLDA MEIR, WHO WE KNOW WAS A PRIME MINISTER IN ISRAEL FROM 1969

                    TO 1974.  HER WORDS FOR US TODAY:  IT ISN'T ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IN

                    SOMETHING; YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE STAMINA TO MEET THE OBSTACLES AND

                    OVERCOME THE STRUGGLES [SIC].  AGAIN, THESE WORDS FROM FORMER PRIME

                    MINISTER GOLDA MEIR.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, THE COLLEAGUES HAVE ON THEIR DESK A

                    MAIN CALENDAR.  AFTER YOU HAVE DONE ANY INTRODUCTIONS AND/OR

                    HOUSEKEEPING, WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN OUR WORK ON THE FLOOR BY TAKING

                    UP CALENDAR RESOLUTIONS ON PAGE 3.  WE WILL THEN TAKE UP THE

                    FOLLOWING BILLS ON DEBATE:  WE'RE GONNA DO RULES REPORT NO. 35 ON --

                    BY MS. LUPARDO, RULES REPORT NO. 76 BY MR. SIMONE, AND RULES

                    REPORT NO. 106 BY MR. LASHER AND RULES REPORT NO. 107 BY MR.

                    BURROUGHS.

                                 THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FLOOR ACTIVITY AS

                    WE PROGRESS ALONG, MADAM SPEAKER.  HOWEVER, THAT IS THE GENERAL

                    OUTLINE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TODAY.  SO IF YOU WOULD BEGIN WITH

                    HOUSEKEEPING AND INTRODUCTIONS, WE CAN GET STARTED HERE.

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                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 WE HAVE NO HOUSEKEEPING TODAY, AND MANY

                    INTRODUCTIONS.

                                 WE WILL START WITH MR. EACHUS FOR THE PURPOSE OF AN

                    INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. EACHUS:  THERE WE GO.  THANK YOU.  THANK

                    YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                                 MARCH MARKS NATIONAL PROFESSIONAL SOCIAL WORKER

                    MONTH, A TIME TO HONOR THE PROFOUND IMPACT SOCIAL WORKERS HAVE ON

                    OUR COMMUNITIES.  TODAY I AM PLEASED TO WELCOME THE SOCIAL WORK

                    CLASS FROM DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY WHO HAVE JOINED US TO ADVOCATE FOR

                    MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

                                 AS A PUBLIC SERVANT AND FORMER EDUCATOR, I HAVE SEEN

                    FIRSTHAND THE VITAL ROLE SOCIAL WORKERS PLAY IN UPLIFTING INDIVIDUALS AND

                    FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY THOSE MOST VULNERABLE.  THEIR DEDICATION ENSURES

                    ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SUPPORT SYSTEMS IN THE MENTAL HEALTH AND CHILD

                    WELFARE, ELDER CARE, AND BEYOND.  THEY ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR SOCIAL

                    SAFETY NET, WORKING TIRELESSLY TO IMPROVE LIVES.

                                 WHAT MAKES THIS OCCASION EVEN MORE SPECIAL IS THAT

                    THESE STUDENTS HAVE TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO JOIN US HERE IN ALBANY TO

                    ADVOCATE FOR CRITICAL BILLS THAT AFFECT THEIR INDUSTRY.  THEIR EFFORTS

                    EXEMPLIFY THE POWER OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND IMPACT YOUNG

                    PROFESSIONALS IN SHAPING THEIR OWN FUTURE.

                                 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DR. MELODY HYPPOLITE

                    FOR HER EXCEPTIONAL DEDICATION TO MENTORING THE NEXT GENERATION OF

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                    SOCIAL WORKERS.  THROUGH HER GUIDANCE, STUDENTS ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE

                    SKILLS, KNOWLEDGE, AND PASSION TO MAKE A LASTING DIFFERENCE IN OUR

                    COMMUNITIES.

                                 FINALLY, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT DOMINICAN

                    UNIVERSITY IS LOCATED IN ASSEMBLYMEMBER WIEDER'S DISTRICT.  AND

                    AMONG THE STUDENTS HERE TODAY ARE SOME CONSTITUENTS OF

                    ASSEMBLYMEMBER KARL BRABENEC, PATRICK CARE -- CARROLL -- I'M SORRY

                    -- JONATHAN JACOBSON, ANIL BEEPHAN, AND STEVEN OTIS.  I INVITE MY

                    COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME IN WELCOMING THESE FUTURE SOCIAL WORKERS AND

                    RECOGNIZING THEIR ADVOCACY AND COMMITMENT TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, PLEASE JOIN ME IN GIVING THEM THE

                    WARMEST RECOGNITION THAT THEY SO RIGHTFULLY DESERVE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 ON BEHALF OF MR. EACHUS, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE

                    MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU YOUNG PEOPLE AND STUDENTS FROM THE

                    DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY.  WE WELCOME YOU TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE

                    PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.  HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY AND

                    THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MS. REYES FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MS. REYES:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  TODAY

                    WE ARE JOINED BY THE NEW YORK BLACK NURSES ASSOCIATION.  THE NEW

                    YORK BLACK NURSES ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1971 IN RESPONSE TO

                    THE GROWING CONCERN FOR THE HEALTH STATUS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS.  NEW

                    YORK BLACK NURSES ASSOCIATION PROVIDES PROGRAMS TO RECRUIT MORE

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                    BLACK WOMEN AND MEN INTO NURSING, A FORUM FOR BLACK NURSES TO SHARE

                    JOB INFORMATION AND PROVIDE PROGRAMS OF INTEREST TO THE BLACK

                    COMMUNITY, A UNIFIED VOICE IN DEMANDING THAT THE NURSING PROFESSION

                    BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO ITS BLACK MEMBERS.

                                 AND WITH US TODAY IS DR. CATHERINE ALICIA GEORGES,

                    FOUNDER OF THE NEW YORK CHAPTER OF BLACK NURSES AND ALSO A FORMER

                    CHAIR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF NURSING AT LEHMAN COLLEGE IN THE BRONX;

                    DR. THERESA LUNDY, PRESIDENT OF THE NEW YORK BLACK NURSES; DR.

                    DEWI BROWN, PRESIDENT OF THE GREATER NEW YORK BLACK NURSES

                    ASSOCIATION; AND MISS TIFFANY LEWIS-ENGLISH, PRESIDENT OF THE

                    ROCHESTER BLACK NURSES ASSOCIATION, AMONGST, OF COURSE, ALL OF THEIR

                    DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, PLEASE WELCOME THEM AND EXTEND TO

                    THEM THE -- THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON BEHALF OF MS.

                    REYES, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO OUR

                    CHAMBER, BLACK NURSES ASSOCIATION.  THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU

                    DO IN HEALTHCARE.  WE EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR AND HOPE YOU

                    ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. MORINELLO FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                    I'D LOVE TO INTRODUCE THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF NIAGARA FALLS.  NOT ONLY

                    IS THE MAYOR, BUT HE'S A LONGTIME, GREAT FRIEND OF MINE.

                                 NIAGARA FALLS, BEING THE SECOND-LARGEST TOURIST CITY IN

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                    THE STATE OF NEW YORK OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK CITY, BUT IT MAKES ME

                    WONDER WHY, ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT GREAT NATURAL WONDER, THE

                    NIAGARA FALLS, THE HORSESHOE FALLS TO BRIDAL VEIL FALLS.  WE HAVE THE

                    ERIE -- THE -- THE NIAGARA RIVER WHICH BLENDS INTO LAKE ONTARIO.  WE

                    HAVE ONE OF THE GREATEST FISHING AREAS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, I ASK THAT YOU WELCOME MAYOR

                    RESTAINO AND GRANT HIM ALL THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON BEHALF OF MR.

                    MORINELLO, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WELCOME, MAYOR FROM

                    NIAGARA FALLS, TO THE CHAMBER.  WE EXTEND TO YOU THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

                    FLOOR AND HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK YOU SO VERY

                    MUCH FOR JOINING US

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MS. WALSH FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM

                    SPEAKER.  GOOD AFTERNOON TO MY COLLEAGUES.  I AM SO PLEASED THIS

                    AFTERNOON TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE OR REINTRODUCE TO SOME OF YOU OUR --

                    OUR COLLEAGUE, OUR FORMER COLLEAGUE TONY JORDAN, WHO'S HERE TODAY

                    VISITING THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE.  TONY CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE WASHINGTON

                    COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND PREVIOUSLY SERVED IN THE ASSEMBLY FROM

                    2009 TO 2013, WHERE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE IN THIS CHAIR --

                                 MR. JORDAN:  YUP.

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- AS FLOOR LEADER.

                                 SO I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY TO WELCOME HIM TODAY AND I

                    HOPE THAT YOU'LL ALSO EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES AND CORDIALITIES OF THE

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                    HOUSE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON BEHALF OF MS.

                    WALSH, THE SPEAKER AND ALL MEMBERS, WELCOME BACK,

                    ASSEMBLYMEMBER.  WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE

                    PRIVILEGES TO YOU OF THE FLOOR AND HOPE YOU ENJOY THE PROCEEDINGS

                    TODAY.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR VISITING US AGAIN.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. VANEL FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. VANEL:  THANK YOU, MR. -- MISS SPEAKER.

                    TODAY WE -- TODAY WE INTRODUCE BOSTON DYNAMICS.  BOSTON DYNAMICS

                    IS A -- ONE OF THE LEADING COMPANIES IN ROBOTICS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND

                    THEY ARE USING RESPONSIBILITY IN ROBOTICS IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THIS

                    STATE.  AND THEY ARE HERE TODAY WITH SPOT, THE ROBOT DOG.  FIRST TIME

                    EVER WE HAD A ROBOT WALK UP THE MILLION DOLLAR STAIRS [SIC], AND HE --

                    AND THE ROBOT HAS BEEN AROUND THE -- THE CAPITOL.

                                 SO WOULD YOU PLEASE WELCOME BOSTON DYNAMICS AND

                    SPOT, THE ROBOT DOG, AND PROVIDE THEM THE CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  YES.  ON BEHALF OF

                    MR. VANEL, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU

                    GENTLEMEN FROM BOSTON DYNAMICS AND SPOT, THE ROBOT DOG.  WE

                    WELCOME YOU TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.  WE

                    HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY, AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH

                    FOR JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. EACHUS FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

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                                 MR. EACHUS:  YES.  AGAIN, THANK YOU, MADAM

                    SPEAKER.  IT IS A GREAT DAY.  ON BEHALF OF BOTH ASSEMBLYMAN JONATHAN

                    JACOBSON AND MYSELF, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING SEVERAL, QUITE

                    A FEW, ACTUALLY, NURSING STUDENTS FROM SUNY ORANGE -- THERE WE GO --

                    WHO ARE HERE TODAY, MEETING WITH LEGISLATORS ON BEHALF OF NYSNA.

                                 NYSNA IS A UNION THAT REPRESENTS MORE THAN 40,000

                    NURSES AND HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS THROUGHOUT OUR STATE.  AS SOMEONE

                    WHO HAS A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO NURSING, BOTH OF MY SISTERS ARE RNS,

                    IT IS INSPIRING TO SEE SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE WANTING TO SERVE THEIR

                    COMMUNITY IN A MUCH-RELATED AND NEEDED FIELD.  AND AS A TEACHER OF

                    40 YEARS, I KNOW THAT THE YOUTH REPRESENTS OUR FUTURE, AND OUR FUTURE IS

                    BRIGHTER BECAUSE OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE STUDENTS HERE TODAY.

                                 WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK, MADAM SPEAKER, THAT YOU

                    PLEASE WELCOME THEM TO THE CHAMBER AND EXTEND TO THEM THE

                    CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON BEHALF OF

                    MR. EACHUS, THE SPEAKER AND ALL MEMBERS, WELCOME STUDENTS AND

                    NYSNA MEMBERS TO THE CHAMBER.  WE EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

                    FLOOR TO YOU, HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK YOU SO

                    VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MS. TAPIA FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MS. TAPIA:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  I AM

                    HONORED TO RECOGNIZE SEAN EBONY COLEMAN, FOUNDER AND CEO OF

                    DESTINATION TOMORROW, FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND DEDICATION TO IMPROVING

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                    THE LIVES OF LGT -- LGBTQ INDIVIDUALS.  UNDER HIS GUIDANCE,

                    DESTINATION TOMORROW HAS WELL -- HAS BECOME A CRITICAL RESOURCE,

                    PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL, FINANCIAL, HOUSING, HEALTH, AND PERSONAL SUPPORT

                    PROGRAMS THAT EMPOWER COMMUNITY AND FOSTER LONG-TERM STABILITY.

                    WITH CENTERS IN THE SOUTH BRONX, ATLANTA AND D -- WASHINGTON, D.C.,

                    DESTINATION TOMORROW FOCUSES ON HOLISTIC SOLUTIONS THAT ADDRESS THE

                    ROOT CAUSES OF ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL DISPARITIES.  THROUGH WORKFORCE

                    DEVELOPMENT, FINANCIAL LITERACY PROGRAMS AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING,

                    SEAN HAS CREATED PATHWAYS TO INDEPENDENCE -- FOR INDEPENDENCE FOR

                    THOSE WHO'S NEEDED.

                                 IN 2021, DESTINATION TOMORROW OPENED 16 APARTMENT

                    UNITS IN THE BRONX TO PROVIDE SAFE HOUSING FOR TGNC INDIVIDUALS WHO

                    ARE -- WHO ARE FORMER SEX WORKERS AND WHAT -- AND SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL

                    VIOLENCE AND TRAFFICKING.  NOW, SEAN IS MAKING HISTORY ONCE AGAIN

                    WITH THE LAUNCH OF ACE PLACE, THE FIRST GOVERNMENT-FUNDED TG --

                    TGNCNB SINGLE ADULT SHELTERS IN QUEENS.  THIS GROUNDBREAKING 150-

                    BED FACILITY WILL MOVE BEYOND TRADITIONAL SHELTER MODEL -- MODELS BY

                    OFFERING ON-SITE TRAINING, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND HOLISTIC

                    WELLNESS PROGRAMS TO HELP CLIENTS TO ACHIEVE LONG-TERM STABILITY.  ACE

                    PLACE WILL FEATURE TWO COMMERCIAL KITCHENS AND A DANCE STUDIO, A GYM,

                    AND AN OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACE, ENSURING A SUPPORTIVE AND

                    EMPOWERMENT ENVIRONMENT.

                                 SHAY'S [SIC] WORK HAS TRANSFORMED COUNTLESS LIVES BY

                    ENSURING THAT LGTBQ INDIVIDUALS, PARTICULAR, THOSE IN THE TNG [SIC]

                    COMMUNITY HAVE ACCESS -- HAVE ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES AND SUPPORT

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                    THEY NEED.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, PLEASE SHOW THE COURTESY OF THE

                    HOUSE TO MY FRIEND, SEAN EBONY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 ON BEHALF OF MS. TAPIA, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE

                    MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU, SIR, TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES

                    OF THE FLOOR.  WE HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR -- THE PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK

                    YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. FITZPATRICK FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. FITZPATRICK:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                    IT IS MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TO OUR ASSEMBLY THE HONORABLE TILL

                    KNORN, THE CONSUL GENERAL OF GERMANY.

                                 BORN IN 1970, TILL GREW UP IN BERLIN, NEAR HAMBURG,

                    AND WAS AN EXCHANGE STUDENT IN ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI.  HE IS A LAWYER BY

                    TRAINING.  IN 1999, AFTER TWO YEARS WITH PRICEWATERHOUSECOOPERS IN

                    HAMBURG, HE JOINED THE FEDERAL FOREIGN OFFICE.  HIS FIRST POSTING

                    ABROAD WAS IN COLUMBO, SRI LANKA FROM 2001 TO 2002.  AFTER HOLDING

                    POSITIONS IN THE FEDERAL FOREIGN OFFICE HEADQUARTERS IN BERLIN, HE WAS

                    THE FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR TO THE MINISTER-PRESIDENT OF HESSEN.  AFTER

                    RETURNING TO THE FEDERAL FOREIGN OFFICE, TILL WAS POSTED IN NEW YORK

                    WHERE HE SERVED AS THE DEPUTY HEAD OF THE POLITICAL SECTION AT THE

                    PERMANENT MISSION OF GERMANY TO THE UNITED NATIONS.  BEGINNING IN

                    2015, TILL ASSUMED LEADERSHIP ROLES WITHIN THE FEDERAL FOREIGN

                    OFFICE'S PROTOCOL SECTION IN BERLIN, INCLUDING THAT OF CHIEF OF PROTOCOL

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                    IN 2020.  SINCE AUGUST OF '24, HE HAS BEEN THE CONSUL GENERAL OF

                    GERMANY IN HERE NEW YORK.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, HE IS ALSO ACCOMPANIED BY THE

                    HONORABLE ANTON KLIX, THE DEPUTY CONSUL GENERAL FOR POLITICAL

                    AFFAIRS.  WOULD YOU KINDLY OFFER THEM THE -- YOUR MOST KIND WELCOME

                    AND OFFER THEM THE -- THE RUN OF THE FLOOR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU --

                                 MR. FITZPATRICK:  THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  YES.  ON BEHALF OF

                    MR. FITZPATRICK, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, GUTEN TAG, SIR.  WE

                    WELCOME YOU TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR AND

                    HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR

                    JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. PIROZZOLO FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. PIROZZOLO:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                    ONCE AGAIN, IT'S MY GREAT HONOR ON BEHALF OF THE MIGHTY STATEN ISLAND

                    DELEGATION, MEMBERS FALL, REILLY, AND TANNOUSIS, TO INTRODUCE OUR

                    GUESTS FROM SUNRISE DAY CAMP.  WITH HAVE ORIT LENDER AND AMELIA

                    WINTER.  AND TO TELL YOU ABOUT SUNRISE DAY CAMP WOULD ACTUALLY BE A

                    VERY GREAT PRIVILEGE FOR ME.  THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE CHILDREN

                    WHO HAVE CANCER CAN GO TO DAY CAMP EVERY DAY, AND THERE IS NO COST TO

                    THE FAMILY.  BUT TO MAKE IT MORE UNIQUE IS THAT ALL OF THEIR SIBLINGS CAN

                    ALSO ATTEND DAY CAMP WITH THEM.  I HAVE TOURED THE DAY CAMP WHEN THE

                    CHILDREN WHERE THERE, AND YOU CAN WALK THROUGHOUT THE DAY CAMP, AND

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                    YOU CAN TALK TO EVERYONE, AND IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO MIGHT BE AFFLICTED

                    WITH CANCER, FROM THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

                                 SO IT'S A VERY WONDERFUL AND GREAT THING THAT THEY DO.

                    AND I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY SERVE CONSTITUENTS IN MY

                    DISTRICT, REILLY'S DISTRICT, TANNOUSIS' DISTRICT, BUT ALSO IN ASSEMBLYMAN

                    FALL'S DISTRICT, BOTH STATEN ISLAND AND MANHATTAN, AND THROUGHOUT THE

                    REST OF THE BOROUGHS.

                                 SO, IT IS WITH THIS HONOR THAT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU

                    PLEASE EXTEND THE CORDIALITIES OF THE HOUSE TO OUR FRIENDS WHO HELP

                    CHILDREN WITH CANCER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU SO

                    MUCH.

                                 ON BEHALF OF MR. PIROZZOLO AND THE ENTIRE STATEN

                    ISLAND DELEGATION, THE SPEAKER AND ALL MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU TO

                    THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.  THANK YOU SO VERY

                    MUCH FOR THE WORK YOU DO FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WITH CANCER.  HOPE YOU

                    ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MR. STERN FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN INTRODUCTION.

                                 MR. STERN:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND GOOD

                    AFTERNOON TO ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES.  IT IS MY PRIVILEGE TO INTRODUCE

                    MAUREEN MCCORMICK TO THE NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY TODAY.

                    MAUREEN, ALONG WITH HER HUSBAND, RICHARD, ARE NEIGHBORS FROM

                    HUNTINGTON, NEW YORK ON LONG ISLAND.  MAUREEN MCCORMICK HAS HAD

                    A LONG, DISTINGUISHED CAREER AS AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY, SERVING

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                    BOTH IN NASSAU AND SUFFOLK COUNTIES ON LONG ISLAND.  MS.

                    MCCORMACK HAS BEEN A FIERCE AND DEDICATED ADVOCATE FOR DECADES ON

                    THE CHALLENGES OF DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED ON DRUGS.

                                 THANK YOU, MAUREEN MCCORMICK, FOR YOUR PASSION,

                    FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO MAKING OUR ROADS SAFER FOR ALL OF US

                    THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

                                 AND SO ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUE, KEITH BROWN, AND

                    THE LONG ISLAND DELEGATION, MADAM SPEAKER, IT'S MY -- MY PERSONAL

                    PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE MAUREEN MCCORMICK TO THE CHAMBER TODAY.

                    WOULD YOU KINDLY AFFORD MS. MCCORMICK ALL OF THE PRIVILEGES OF THE

                    HOUSE AND THE CORDIALITIES OF THE FLOOR.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 ON BEHALF OF MR. STERN, MR. BROWN, THE ENTIRE LONG

                    ISLAND DELEGATION, THE SPEAKER AND ALL THE MEMBERS, WE WELCOME YOU,

                    MS. MCCORMACK, TO THE CHAMBER, EXTEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THE FLOOR.

                    HOPE YOU ENJOY OUR PROCEEDINGS TODAY.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR

                    JOINING US.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 RESOLUTIONS, PAGE 3, THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 180, MS.

                    TAPIA.

                                 LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

                    KATHY HOCHUL TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2025 AS NUTRITION MONTH IN THE STATE

                    OF NEW YORK.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON THE RESOLUTION,

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                    ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS

                    ADOPTED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 181, MS.

                    WALSH.

                                 LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

                    KATHY HOCHUL TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2025 AS WOMEN IN TRADES MONTH IN

                    THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  MS. WALSH ON THE

                    RESOLUTION.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  SO,

                    ACCORDING TO A 2021 REPORT BY THE INSTITUTE FOR WOMEN'S POLICY

                    RESEARCH, WHICH LOOKED AT THE NATIONAL PICTURE, IN 2020 OVER 300,000

                    WOMEN, THE LARGEST NUMBER EVER, WORKED IN CONSTRUCTION OCCUPATIONS,

                    REFLECTING GROWTH EVEN DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.  BUT WOMEN

                    REPRESENT -- OR REMAIN HIGHLY UNREPRESENTED -- UNDERREPRESENTED IN THE

                    TRADES, ACCOUNTING FOR JUST 4 PERCENT OF ALL WORKERS IN CONSTRUCTION

                    OCCUPATIONS.  RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF A LABOR FORCE FOR THE TRADES

                    IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM, SO INCENTIVIZING MORE WOMEN TO JOIN THESE FIELDS

                    HELPS TO FULFILL GAPS IN THE WORKFORCE.

                                 THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND STATISTICS REPORTS

                    THAT WOMEN ARE SUBSTANTIALLY REPRESENTED IN AGRICULTURE, MINING,

                    CONSTRUCTION, MANUFACTURING, AND TRANSPORTATION AND UTILITIES, WHERE

                    WOMEN OF THE TRADES FACE UNIQUE WORKPLACE-RELATED DIFFICULTIES LIKE

                    LIMITATIONS BASED ON GENDER STEREOTYPE, LACK OF FEMALE ROLE MODELS,

                    AND DISCRIMINATION.

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                                 I WAS HAPPY LAST YEAR TO SUPPORT MY LOCAL BOCES,

                    WSWHE BOCES, TO EXPAND THEIR CTE INITIATIVES.  AND THAT FUNDING

                    WILL BE USED FOR A WOMEN IN THE TRADES INITIATIVE.

                                 I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE LOCAL COMPANIES IN MY DISTRICT

                    AND DIFFERENT GROUPS PROMOTING THESE INITIATIVES AS WELL THROUGH THE

                    NORTHEAST CONSTRUCTION TRADES WORKFORCE COALITION AND THE GIRLS IN

                    THE TRADES PROGRAM SUCH AS THE SUMMER CAMP THAT I HAD THE PLEASURE

                    OF VISITING WHERE MIDDLE SCHOOL GIRLS LEARNED HOW TO USE POWER TOOLS

                    AND CREATE TOGETHER, HOPEFULLY INSPIRING THEM TO LOOK INTO THIS PATHWAY

                    FURTHER.

                                 RECOGNIZING WOMEN'S CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE TRADES IS

                    VITAL TO FOSTERING A MORE ACCEPTING AND INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT.  AND SO

                    I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO CARRY THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION WHICH

                    WILL MEMORIALIZE THE GOVERNOR TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2025 AS WOMEN IN

                    THE TRADES MONTH IN OUR STATE.

                                 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

                    AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 182, MR.

                    MILLER.

                                 LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING GOVERNOR

                    KATHY HOCHUL TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2025 AS PURE NEW YORK STATE MAPLE

                    MONTH IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  MR. MILLER ON THE

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                    RESOLUTION.

                                 MR. MILLER:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  ON THE

                    RESOLUTION.  TODAY I STAND BEFORE YOU TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THE

                    RESOLUTION AT HAND.  I EXTEND MY SINCERE THANKS TO THE GOVERNOR FOR

                    OFFICIALLY PROCLAIMING MARCH 2025 AS PURE NEW YORK STATE MAPLE

                    MONTH.  IT IS INDEED AN HONOR TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS PROCLAMATION.  I

                    URGE MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME IN COMMEMORATING THIS

                    RESOLUTION.

                                 NEW YORK PROUDLY HOLDS THE TITLE TO THE HOME -- TO

                    THE LARGEST QUANTITY OF TAPPABLE TREES, AND RANKS SECOND IN THE NATION IN

                    MAPLE PRODUCTION.  THE MAPLE INDUSTRY IS FLOURISHING, A BOASTING

                    7 PERCENT ANNUAL GROWTH ANNUALLY.  THIS THRIVING INDUSTRY SIGNIFICANTLY

                    CONTRIBUTES TO OUR STATE'S ECONOMY, GENERATING A REMARKABLE $141

                    MILLION IMPACT EACH YEAR THROUGH THE PRODUCTION OF MAPLE SYRUP AND

                    MAPLE-RELATED PRODUCTS.

                                 TODAY AND THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, LET US TAKE A

                    MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE AND APPLAUD OUR HARDWORKING MAPLE PRODUCERS

                    AND LOYAL CUSTOMERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE -- TO THEIR SUCCESS.  NOTABLY,

                    MAPLE WEEKEND IS APPROACHING ON MARCH 22ND AND 23RD, AND MARCH

                    29TH AND 30TH, PROVIDING AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL TO EXPERIENCE

                    THE WONDERS OF OUR LOCAL MAPLE FARMS.  I ENCOURAGE EACH ONE OF YOU TO

                    SEIZE THIS CHANCE AND STOP BY A MAPLE FARM AND ENJOY SOME MAPLE

                    WITH PANCAKES AND WAFFLES WITH YOUR FAMILY.

                                 TOGETHER LET'S CELEBRATE PURE -- PURE NEW YORK STATE

                    MAPLE MONTH AND THE INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OUR MAPLE INDUSTRY

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                    GIVES TO US.

                                 THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

                    AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.

                                 PAGE 4, RULES REPORT 35, THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY NO. A00418, RULES REPORT

                    NO. 35, LUPARDO.  AN ACT TO AMEND THE CANNABIS LAW, IN RELATION TO

                    CANNABIS SHOWCASE EVENT PERMITS; AND TO AMEND A CHAPTER OF THE LAWS

                    OF 2024 AMENDING THE CANNABIS LAW RELATING TO AUTHORIZING A CANNABIS

                    SHOWCASE EVEN PERMIT, AS PROPOSED IN LEGISLATIVE BILLS NUMBERS

                    S.9679-A AND A.10398-A, IN RELATION TO THE EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON A MOTION BY

                    MS. LUPARDO, THE SENATE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.  THE SENATE BILL IS

                    ADVANCED.

                                 AN EXPLANATION HAS BEEN REQUESTED, MS. LUPARDO.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SO, WE ARE MAKING AN AMENDMENT

                    TO THE CANNABIS SHOWCASE EVENT PERMIT BILL THAT WE PASSED LAST YEAR.

                    IT'S GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF CHANGES, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER

                    WITH YOU.  BUT THERE ARE TWO MAIN CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL BILL.  THE

                    FIRST IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY ONE OF THESE PERMITS ARE GRANTED TO A

                    RETAILER, WHO WILL ALSO INCLUDE A CULTIVATOR AND A PROCESSOR.  THE

                    ORIGINAL BILL SAID "A CULTIVATOR OR A PROCESSOR", SO WE WANT ONE OF EACH

                    BECAUSE THEY EACH HAVE A UNIQUE ROLE IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

                                 AND PROBABLY THE MORE IMPORTANT CHANGE IS, HONESTLY,

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                    MAKING THE BILL MORE RESTRICTIVE.  SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING WIDE OPEN AND

                    COULD EASILY BE PLACED PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS

                    GRANTED BY LOCAL LAW, WE ARE NOW SAYING IT MUST BE A SEPARATE,

                    STANDALONE POP-UP EVENT.  HOWEVER, WE DO MAINTAIN THE LANGUAGE OF

                    ALLOWING THESE AT FARMERS MARKETS, WHICH WAS IN THE ORIGINAL BILL AS

                    WELL, WHICH, I'M ASSUMING, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU.  MADAM SPEAKER, WILL THE

                    SPONSOR YIELD FOR SOME QUESTIONS?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  WILL THE SPONSOR

                    YIELD?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES, OF COURSE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  AND COULD I

                    JUST -- JUST SAY AT THE OUTSET, AND I -- IT'S PROBABLY MY LOSS OF HEARING AS

                    I'M GETTING OLDER, BUT --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  I'LL TRY TO GET CLOSER.

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- IF YOU COULD -- YEAH.  IF -- IF YOU --

                    IF YOU DON'T MIND SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SURE.  OKAY.

                                 MS. WALSH:  I'M TRYING TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT

                    YOU'RE SAYING.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YUP.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO, YOU -- THANK YOU FOR RUNNING

                    THROUGH THE TWO MAIN CHANGES OF THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT, BUT COULD

                    WE JUST GO BACK FOR A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT LAST YEAR, THE BILL THAT WE

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                    TOOK UP.  BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, WHY WERE CANNABIS SHOWCASE EVENTS

                    ALLOWED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  WELL, WE ALLOWED THEM IN THE FIRST

                    PLACE BECAUSE THE MARKET WAS SO SLOW TO START UP, AND THERE WERE SO

                    FEW RETAIL LOCATIONS THAT WE WANTED TO GIVE OUR FARMERS AND -- AND

                    PROCESSORS WHO ARE STRUGGLING AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL -- TO NOT ONLY SELL

                    THEIR PRODUCTS, BUT TO BUILD UP ENOUGH OF A CUSTOMER BASE SO THEY

                    COULD BE POSITIONED TO GET IN THE STORES.

                                 WE HAVE CLUSTERS OF STORES IN MANY LOCATIONS, BUT

                    THERE ARE STILL AREAS OF THE STATE WHERE WE HAVE STRUGGLING FARMERS AND

                    PROCESSORS WHO COULD USE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THEIR PRODUCTS WHILE

                    THE MARKET BECOMES MORE ROBUSTLY BUILT OUT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  AND I DO REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE --

                    WE FIRST TOOK UP THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION, MAYBE -- YEAH.  I DON'T -- I

                    CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 2023 OR 2024, I GUESS MAYBE IT WAS '24, WHEN

                    WE CREATED THIS OPPORTUNITY, THE IDEA WAS -- WASN'T IT THAT THE -- THE

                    FARMERS HAD PRODUCT THAT WAS JUST SITTING THERE FROM 2023, FROM LIKE

                    THE LAST HARVEST --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THAT'S TRUE --

                                 MS. WALSH: -- AND WE HAD ASKED THEM TO GROW IT,

                    RIGHT?  WE -- WE HAD --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- ASKED THEM TO GROW IT, THEY DID IT.

                    AND THEN THEY WERE KIND OF SITTING ON IT AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO --

                    TO GET RID OF IT, RIGHT?

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                                 MS. LUPARDO:  WELL, IN FACT, MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T

                    REALIZE THAT THE PRODUCT WENT BAD.  AND SO WE WERE DEFINITELY GIVING

                    THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE UP FOR SOME OF THEIR LOSSES.  SOME OF

                    THEM NEVER RECOVERED, AND WE HAD TRIED OVER THE YEARS TO GET THEM

                    RE-COMPENSATION, TO NO -- TO NO AVAIL.  BUT, YES, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL

                    IDEA.  AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE POCKETS OF THE STATE WITH GROWERS WHO ARE

                    STRUGGLING, IN PARTICULAR.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE I

                    KNOW THAT THE ROLLOUT -- NO PUN INTENDED -- OF THE -- OF CANNABIS TOOK A

                    WHILE AND IT WAS -- WE HAD LAWSUITS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE LICENSING

                    PROCESS AND HOW -- YOU KNOW, WHO WAS GETTING THEM AND WHO WASN'T

                    GETTING THEM, AND IT TOOK A WHILE.  BUT AT THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT

                    NOW, AREN'T -- AREN'T THERE JUST A LOT OF LICENSES COMING OUT?  I MEAN,

                    I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE OUT AND AROUND MY DISTRICT, AND I THINK,

                    LIKE, IN -- LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IN THE CITY OF SCHENECTADY, I THINK

                    THERE'S, LIKE, NINE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE OUT THERE.  DO WE REALLY -- DO WE

                    REALLY NEED THIS AT ALL GIVEN THE WAY THAT THE LICENSES ARE -- SEEM TO BE

                    COMING OUT RIGHT NOW IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  UNFORTUNATELY, MANY OF OUR

                    CULTIVATORS AND OUR PROCESSORS ARE OPERATING AT A LOSS.  SO WE'RE TRYING

                    TO PROVIDE THEM WITH ANY OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THEIR CUSTOMER BASE.

                    IT'S -- IT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF TRAGIC TO WATCH HOW SOME BRANDS WHO WERE

                    BETTER POSITIONED, THEY MAY HAVE HAD OTHER BUSINESSES TO FALL BACK ON

                    TO HELP WITH THEIR OVERALL FINANCIAL STABILITY.  NOW, WE STILL HAVE SOME

                    FOLKS THAT COULD USE AN EXTRA BOOST TO, AGAIN, GET THAT MARKET SHARE AND

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                    GET THEIR NAME OUT IN -- IN THE PUBLIC.  BUT I DO EXPECT TO SEE THESE

                    OCCURRING IN MORE REMOTE PLACES WHERE THOSE STORES HAVE NOT YET

                    OPENED.

                                 MS. WALSH:  BUT NOW, IS THIS LEGISLATION INTENDED

                    TO -- THIS ISN'T GOING TO SUNSET, IS -- OR AM I WRONG?  IS -- DOES IT SUNSET

                    OR DOES IT JUST CONTINUE ON?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  IT DOES NOT SUNSET.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  ALL RIGHT.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  BUT IT'S VERY -- IT'S GOING TO BE VERY

                    HIGHLY REGULATED AND EVERYONE INVOLVED WILL HAVE TO BE PERMITTED,

                    RECEIVE PERMITS, AND LOCAL MUNICIPAL APPROVALS, AND ALL THAT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  AND LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THAT.  YOU DID

                    MENTION THAT ONE CHANGE WHERE YOU NEEDED TO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL OR

                    ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, AND NOW IT'S BOTH.  CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT

                    SITUATION?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  WELL, WE -- WE VIEW THEM AS TIERS,

                    MUCH LIKE --

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- THE ALCOHOL SYSTEM HAS TIERS.  SO

                    THE CULTIVATORS ARE A TIER, THE PROCESSORS ARE A TIER, THE RETAILERS ARE

                    ANOTHER TIER.  AND SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO FAVOR ONE OVER THE OTHER.  SO

                    BY SAYING "OR" WE REALLY SIGNALED THAT IT COULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER.  WE

                    WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BOTH WILL HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AND THEY

                    MUST, IN FACT, PARTICIPATE.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO IS IT TRUE, THOUGH, THAT ONE

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                    OF -- WELL, LET ME -- LET ME BACK UP.  I'M SORRY.  HOW WELL DID THESE

                    CANNABIS SHOWCASE EVENTS TO IN 2024?  BECAUSE, I GUESS, THEY DIDN'T

                    EVEN REALLY GET GOING UNTIL, LIKE, AUGUST, WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YEAH.  THEY DID -- THEY DID REALLY

                    WELL.

                                 MS. WALSH:  YEAH.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  I'VE HEARD FROM QUITE A FEW

                    CULTIVATORS WHO WERE DEVASTATED WHEN THOSE PERMITS -- THOSE EVENTS

                    WERE CANCELED RATHER ABRUPTLY.  I MEAN, ONCE IT EXPIRED, WE HAD NO

                    PLAN.  WE TRIED TO GET IT EXTENDED.  BUT THEY -- YEAH.  WE HAD -- I CAN

                    PICTURE THEIR FACES HERE TELLING ME HOW THEY LOST PRETTY MUCH ALL THEIR

                    INCOME RIGHT AT THAT POINT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  BUT THEY WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL, WHICH

                    IS PART --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- YOU KNOW, AND -- AND -- YEAH.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  BUT, YOU KNOW, TO BE -- THEY REALLY

                    NEEDED TO BE VERY CLOSELY MONITORED --

                                 MS. WALSH:  UH-HUH.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SALE WAS

                    RECORDED, AND EVERYONE WAS USING THE SAME RULES IN THE RETAIL SHOPS;

                    21, NO UNOPENED PACKAGES.  THAT KIND OF STUFF.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  NO OPENED PACKAGES, SORRY.

                                 MS. WALSH:  NOW THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT, THOUGH,

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                    ONE OF THE OTHER CHANGES IT MAKES IS THAT IT ALLOWS FOR THESE POP-UP

                    EVENTS.  SO --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE

                    BETWEEN A POP-UP EVENT AND THE GROWERS SHOWCASE EVENTS, THE

                    CANNABIS SHOWCASE EVENTS?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SO THE -- THEY'RE CALLING THE ENTIRE

                    PROGRAM A CANNABIS SHOWCASE --

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- EVENT PERMIT.  AND WE'RE

                    DESCRIBING THESE AS POP-UP EVENTS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE

                    LOCATED IN A SEPARATE SPOT.  IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULDN'T HAVE A POP-UP

                    EVENT AT A CONCERT OR A POP-UP EVENT AT THE STATE FAIR OR AT THE

                    RACETRACK.  SO WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO

                    PUT IT IN RIGHT NEXT TO AN ALREADY EXISTING ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, FOR

                    EXAMPLE.  AND THAT WAS WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN THE EARLIER

                    VERSION, WHICH LEFT THAT OPEN.  THIS IS --

                                 MS. WALSH:  WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT -- THAT

                    CLARIFICATION.  SO THAT -- THAT'S IMPORTANT.  BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OF A

                    POP-UP, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF

                    POPPING UP WHEREVER.

                                 SO -- BUT -- LET ME -- LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.  UP

                    IN MY COMMUNITY WE HAVE A WEEKLY FARMER'S MARKET WHERE PEOPLE CAN

                    COME AND GET, YOU KNOW, A BUNDLE OF CARROTS OR A DOZEN EARS OF CORN.

                    COULD THERE BE A POP-UP OF CANNABIS AT THIS EXISTING FARMER'S MARKET

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                    UNDER THIS LEGISLATION?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THEY COULD HAVE A POP-UP AT A

                    FARMER'S MARKET.  I'M PERSONALLY NOT EXPECTING A LOT OF FARMERS MARKETS

                    TO OPT INTO THIS BECAUSE OF SOME CONCERN THAT THERE'S COMMINGLING OF

                    FEDERAL MONEY IN THEIR OPERATIONS THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM --

                    FROM DOING THIS IN A WAY THAT MIGHT -- COULD JEOPARDIZE THEIR

                    OPERATIONS BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL PROHIBITION.

                                 ALSO, EVERY FARMER'S MARKET WOULD HAVE TO OPT INTO

                    THIS IDEA.  THIS IS BY NO MEANS REQUIRING THEM TO APPROVE THIS.  THEY

                    ALL HAVE THEIR OWN BOARDS OF DIRECTORS OR GOVERNING BODIES.  SO, YEAH,

                    YOU COULD PUT A FARMER'S MARKET POP-UP, BUT THESE ARE GENERALLY GOING

                    FOR A 14-DAY PERIOD, AND I WOULD NOT EXPECT THAT TO WORK NECESSARILY

                    WITH A FARMER'S MARKET MODEL.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAVE A

                    COMMUNITY THAT OPTED OUT OF CANNABIS SALES.  THEY -- THEY DID THAT

                    LOCAL LEGISLATION, THEY OPTED OUT.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  UH-HUH.

                                 MS. WALSH:  DID THEY -- AND THEN THEY HAVE A

                    FARMER'S MARKET IN THEIRS.  WOULD THAT -- WOULD THAT BE A PROHIBITION TO

                    HAVE THAT IN THAT COMMUNITY?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THE MUNICIPAL RULE IS PREEMINENT

                    IN THIS.  THERE'S NO WAY THIS COULD OVERRULE WHAT THE MUNICIPALITY HAS

                    DECIDED.  IF THEY HAVE DECIDED TO OPT OUT OF ALL SALES, THAT'S IT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO -- AND I APPRECIATE THE

                    CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE -- SO, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT THE

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                    TIME THEY WERE THINKING THAT THEY WERE OPTING OUT OF A CANNABIS SHOP,

                    LIKE A CANNABIS SHOP, BUT SOMETHING LIKE A POP-UP WOULD STILL BE

                    CONSIDERED CANNABIS SALES.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO IF THEY HAVE LOCAL RULES SAYING, WE

                    DON'T WANT IT, WE'VE OPTED OUT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  NOT GONNA BE THERE.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.

                                 NOW, IF THEY -- IF A PLACE DID NOT -- IF A MUNICIPALITY

                    OR SOMETHING DIDN'T -- DID NOT OPT OUT AND THEY'RE IN, THEY WOULD -- BUT

                    THEY HAVE SOME LOCAL RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO

                    ALLOWED INTO, SAY, A FARMER'S MARKET, THEN THEY STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY

                    THROUGH LOCAL CONTROL TO SAY NO?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THAT'S TRUE.  YES.  ABSOLUTELY.

                                 MS. WALSH:  ALL RIGHT.  SO I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT --

                    I WAS LOOKING AT THE OFFICE OF CANN -- CANNABIS MANAGEMENT, THEIR

                    WEBSITE, AND IT STATED THAT, QUOTE, "ALL CGS CANNABIS GROWERS'

                    SHOWCASE APPLICATIONS, OTHER THAN THOSE AT A LOCATION OF A LICENSED

                    RETAIL DISPENSARY, MUST INCLUDE A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE

                    MUNICIPALITY WHERE THE CGS IS TO TAKE PLACE, STATING THE DATE, TIME,

                    AND LOCATION OF THE CGS."  SO DOES THAT CANNABIS GROWERS' SHOWCASE,

                    DOES THAT REGULATION OR WHAT'S ON THAT WEBSITE, DOES THAT ALSO APPLY TO

                    THESE POP-UPS AS WELL?  DO THEY COME UNDER THAT UMBRELLA OF CGS?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SO, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH

                    ANOTHER REGULATORY PROCESS --

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                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- FOR THIS.  AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT

                    TO BE IN THE NEW REGS AS WELL.  I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY WANT A

                    MUNICIPALITY TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH ANYTHING.

                                 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE POP-UP GREENHOUSE EVENTS AND

                    POP-UP CHRISTMAS SALES.  AND YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE LOCAL RULES

                    ABOUT DOING THINGS LIKE THAT.  SOME MUNICIPALITY DOESN'T JUST WANT

                    SOMETHING SHOWING UP WITHOUT THEIR OKAY.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  SO LET'S SAY THAT THE

                    MUNICIPALITY HAS GRANTED, I GUESS, APPROVAL FOR THIS POP-UP TO -- TO POP

                    UP AT A FARMER'S MARKET OR WHATNOT.  GIVEN THAT PARENTS WITH CHILDREN

                    WHO MIGHT FREQUENT THEIR LOCAL FARMER'S MARKET MIGHT BE SURPRISED OR

                    EVEN UNHAPPY TO FIND A POP-UP CANNABIS SHOP THE NEXT TIME THEY GO TO

                    THE FARMER'S MARKET, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  I GUESS I'VE HAD ENOUGH EXPERIENCE

                    WITH FARMERS MARKETS TO KNOW THEY HAVE A SENSITIVITY LEVEL AROUND THIS.

                    I WOULD NOT EXPECT THEM TO BE MAKING THIS A HUGELY DOMINATE SALE

                    FACTOR.  ALL THE PRODUCTS WILL BE IN THEIR ORIGINAL PACKAGING, THERE WILL

                    BE NO LOOSE PRODUCTS SITTING AROUND.  IT IS A LEGAL CROP AND A LEGAL

                    PRODUCT IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.  AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BE

                    PROMOTING THAT WITH FREE SAMPLES.  SO I THINK FARMERS MARKETS WILL BE

                    VERY RESPONSIBILE IN HOW THEY HANDLE THIS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  VERY GOOD.  THANK YOU SO

                    MUCH FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  OF COURSE.

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                                 MS. WALSH:  MADAM SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON THE BILL.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO -- AND I APPRECIATE THE -- THE

                    SPONSOR DISCUSSING THIS WITH ME.  I THINK THAT MY INITIAL REACTION TO IT

                    WAS THAT BY ALLOWING THESE POP-UPS TO OCCUR IN -- IN FARMERS MARKETS,

                    THAT COULD BE VERY CONCERNING TO -- TO FAMILIES THAT -- THAT FREQUENT THE

                    EVENT.  IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE WHAT HAS BEEN LOVINGLY, I GUESS, REFERRED

                    TO AS WEED FARMERS MARKETS, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW,

                    LAST YEAR, AND THEY DID VERY WELL, BY THE WAY.  THEY -- THEY MADE LIKE

                    $4.8 MILLION IN SALES AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN START UNTIL, LIKE, AUGUST OF

                    LAST YEAR.  SO IT'S DEFINITELY A MONEYMAKER.

                                 BUT THE CANNABIS SHOW -- GROWERS SHOWCASE

                    PROGRAM WAS REALLY ROLLED OUT LAST SUMMER AS A -- AS A TEMPORARY FIX TO

                    HELP CANNABIS FARMERS WHO WERE UNABLE TO SELL THEIR HARVESTED CROPS

                    DUE TO A SLOWER THAN ANTICIPATED ROLLOUT OF STATEWIDE DISPENSARIES.

                    THERE WERE ONLY 22 ADULT-USE DISPENSARIES JUST BEFORE THE 2023 HARVEST

                    SEASON, YET GROWERS WERE STILL SITTING ON THE PRIOR YEAR'S PRODUCTS

                    WITHOUT A LEGAL MEANS TO SELL.  BUT NOW THAT THE LEGAL CHALLENGES HAVE

                    MOSTLY BEEN RESOLVED AND OCM HAS ISSUED A NUMBER OF LICENSES, I

                    THINK IT CALLS INTO QUESTION WHETHER WE REALLY NEED TO FURTHER EXPAND

                    THE CANNABIS GROWERS SHOWCASE TO ALLOW THESE POP-UPS.

                                 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE OVER 21, GO TO ANY

                    NUMBER OF SHOPS NOW TO GET CANNABIS.  THIS BILL SAYS YES, WE STILL DO

                    NEED WEED FARMERS MARKETS, AND IT EVEN GOES A STEP FURTHER TO ALLOW

                    POP-UP WEED BOOTHS AT OTHER EVENTS AS WELL, WHICH, TO ME, IS A STEP TOO

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                    FAR, AND MAYBE FOR MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES.

                                 I'D LIKE TO SEE OCM, THE OFFICE OF CANNABIS

                    MANAGEMENT, POLICE ALL THE ILLEGAL POT SHOPS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND

                    THERE ARE THOUSANDS, BEFORE EXPANDING THIS PROGRAM SO POTENTIALLY LITTLE

                    KIDS ARE NOT EXPOSED TO CANNABIS AT AN EARLY AGE.

                                 I THINK THAT THIS OPENS THE DOOR TO FURTHER NORMALIZING

                    CANNABIS TO OUR CHILDREN, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES, I GUESS,

                    WHERE I WOULD TAKE LESS TAX REVENUE AND MORE QUALITY OF LIFE.  SO I'LL BE

                    VOTING IN THE NEGATIVE.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 MR. NORBER.

                                 MR. NORBER:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, FOR

                    LETTING ME SPEAK.

                                 WOULD THE SPONSOR YIELD?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  WILL THE SPONSOR

                    YIELD?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.  OF COURSE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

                                 MR. NORBER:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

                                 SO THE WAY I RECOGNIZE THESE FARMERS MARKETS AND

                    THESE POP-UP SHOPS AND -- IS THAT PEOPLE USUALLY TAKE SAMPLES.  SO JUST

                    TO BE CLEAR, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO TAKE SAMPLES OF CANNABIS WHILE THEY'RE

                    THERE?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  ALLOWED TO TAKE SAMPLES?  NO.  OF

                    COURSE NOT.  THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN ANY OF OUR RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.  IT

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                    CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT A POP-UP OR AT A FARMERS MARKET.

                    EVERYTHING MUST BE IN ITS ORIGINAL PACKAGING.  NO SAMPLES, NOTHING

                    OUT.

                                 MR. NORBER:  BUT IS THERE ANY WAY TO PREVENT FOR

                    PEOPLE THAT TAKE PURCHASING -- WHATEVER THEY'RE PURCHASING AND TO GO

                    AND -- AND HAVE A -- JUST TAKE A TRY SOMEWHERE IN THE FARMERS MARKET OR

                    IN THE PERIPHERY, VICINITY OF THE AREA?  IS THERE ANY TYPE OF REGULATION

                    AGAINST IT --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  WELL --

                                 MR. NORBER:  -- OR IS IT A MUNICIPALITY THING?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  IT -- IT -- WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS A

                    LITTLE COMPLICATED.  AT A FARMERS MARKETS WE HAVE -- CRAFT DISTILLERS ARE

                    SELLING THEIR WARES, CIDERIES ARE SELLING THEIR WARES.  WE'RE -- WE

                    DON'T -- HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH, ARE YOU GONNA BUY

                    THAT AND JUST IMMEDIATELY GO OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND START -- START TO

                    DRINK?  WE ALSO HAVE SMOKING LAWS IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE SMOKING

                    SOMETHING.  SO I'M NOT ANTICIPATING THAT TO BE AN ISSUE.

                                 MR. NORBER:  SO -- OKAY.  SO MY QUESTION

                    BASICALLY IS, HOW MANY POP-UP SHOPS AT A FARMERS MARKET CAN -- CAN BE

                    OPEN?  BECAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID, BECAUSE WHEN I GO WITH MY

                    KIDS TO A FARMERS MARKET OR -- OR ANY OF THESE VICINITIES-- THESE AREAS

                    DURING THE WEEKENDS, I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN SAMPLE, PEOPLE EAT, PEOPLE

                    HAVE FUN, WHATEVER IT IS.  SO IF -- LET'S SAY IF THERE'S A LIMIT, THAT WOULD

                    BE GREAT.  BECAUSE IF THERE'S RIGHT NOW GONNA BE A DOZEN OR -- A CERTAIN

                    AMOUNT OF NUMBER OF POP-UP SHOPS AT THESE FARMERS MARKETS, THAT --

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                    THAT COULD CREATE AN ISSUE.  IT'S THE EXPOSURE, IN MY OPINION, TO THE

                    CHILDREN IS NOT OKAY --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  WELL, I -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE

                    GETTING AT --

                                 MR. NORBER:  SO I JUST WANT TO SEE WANT -- IF -- IF

                    THIS BILL HANDLES THAT IN ANY WAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  IT REALLY IS UP TO THE FARMERS MARKET

                    GOVERNING BODY.  SO WE --

                                 MR. NORBER:  GOT IT.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THOSE

                    GROUPS IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THEIR LOCAL

                    CIRCUMSTANCES, THE SENSITIVITIES OF THE PEOPLE WHO THEY SERVE, AND WHAT

                    THEY THINK THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE.  SO I -- LIKE I SAID, MANY -- I KNOW

                    THAT MY FARMERS MARKET HAS A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDING MIXED IN TO WHAT

                    THEY DO.  I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THEM BEING INVOLVED WITH THIS, BUT I

                    COULD BE WRONG.  SO, YEAH, IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING

                    EACH FARMERS MARKET THE DECISION TO MAKE ON THEIR OWN IN THE CONTEXT

                    OF A MUNICIPALITY THAT MAY HAVE OPTED OUT.  AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE

                    OPTED OUT.

                                 MR. NORBER:  OKAY.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

                                 ON THE BILL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON THE BILL.

                                 MR. NORBER:  I THINK THIS IS VERY DETRIMENTAL TO

                    EXPOSING CHILDREN.  IT ALSO KIND OF WILL RUIN THEIR EXPERIENCE DURING --

                    GOING TO A FARMERS MARKET, WHICH COULD BE FUN AND NICE FOR OUR

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                    FAMILIES.  THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE WE KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

                    PEOPLE DO ON WEEKENDS, AND I JUST -- GONNA VOTE NEGATIVE ON THIS BILL.

                                 THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 MR. MORINELLO.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THANK YOU.  WILL THE SPONSOR

                    YIELD?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  WILL THE SPONSOR

                    YIELD?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  OF COURSE.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THANK YOU --

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THE OPEN FARMERS MARKET, WILL

                    THEY BE ABLE TO DISPLAY AND SELL BOTH FLOWER AND EDIBLES?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.  BECAUSE ONE CULTIVATOR AND

                    ONE PROCESSOR.  THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF EACH.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  ALL RIGHT.  BUT I'M TALKING --

                                 MR. LUPARDO:  THE CULTIVATOR SELLS FLOWER, THE

                    PROCESSOR HAS MORE PROCESSED PRODUCTS.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  ALL RIGHT --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  AND THE PACKAGING --

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  LET'S -- LET'S EXCLUDE THE FLOWER

                    AND THE SMOKE AND THE -- AND THE -- I'M TALKING -- I WANT TO FOCUS

                    STRICTLY ON THE INGESTIBLES --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  OKAY.

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                                 MR. MORINELLO:  -- THAT -- THAT NORMALLY LOOKS

                    LIKE CANDY TO YOUNG CHILDREN --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  UH-HUH.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  -- OKAY?  IS THERE ANY SPECIAL

                    PROHIBITION FOR THE FARMERS MARKETS WHEN IT COMES TO THE EDIBLES?

                    AND, PLEASE, LET'S EXCLUDE THE FLOWER PART.  MAY -- AND IF I MAY, MY

                    CONCERN IS THE ATTRACTIVENESS TO YOUNG CHILDREN IN A VERY BUSY FARMERS

                    MARKET WOULD MIGHT BE ATTRACTIVE TO THESE YOUNG CHILDREN.  AND I'M

                    TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS OLD.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SURE.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THAT IS MY CONCERN ON THIS BILL.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A RETAIL

                    OPERATION OR TO A -- OR TO ONE OF THE POP-UP EVENTS, THERE'S HARDLY ANY

                    PRODUCT ON THE TABLE.  THERE IS A SAMPLE OF EACH, WHICH IS HIGHLY --

                    HIGHLY GUARDED.  AND IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I'D LIKE TO BUY ONE OF THOSE,

                    THEY GO DOWN AND GRAB SOMETHING TO SELL IT TO THEM.  THERE'S NOT A LOT

                    OF PRODUCTS THAT COULD BE TAKEN OR DISPLAYED OR, YOU KNOW, IN ANY WAY,

                    SHAPE OR FORM VIEWED AS AN ATTRACTIVE TO CHILDREN BECAUSE THERE'S

                    ONE -- ONE PACKAGE OF EACH OUT THERE.  AND IT'S VERY HIGHLY GUARDED IN

                    TERMS OF WHO GETS WHAT.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  IS THIS BY REG -- IS THIS BY

                    REGULATION?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.  YES.  THAT'S WHY WE -- IF YOU

                    GO INTO A RETAIL OPERATION, EVERYTHING IS BEHIND GLASS -- GLASS COUNTERS.

                    THERE'S NOTHING SITTING AROUND.

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                                 MR. MORINELLO:  BUT -- BUT AT -- AT THE FARMERS

                    MARKET, IS THIS --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THE SAME THING.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  -- REGULATED?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  IT WILL BE ONCE THE REGULATIONS ARE

                    FINISHED.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  OKAY.  SO IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT IN

                    THE EXISTING BILL?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  NO.  BUT THE OFFICE OF CANNIBIS

                    MANAGEMENT --

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  OKAY, SO WE -- WE --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- WILL ISSUE REGULATIONS TO SPECIFY

                    EXACTLY HOW THIS WILL GO.  AND IT WILL HAVE TO GO -- MATCH THE SAME

                    TYPE OF -- OF PROTECTIONS THAT YOU SEE IN THE RETAIL STORES.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR

                    ANSWER --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  -- WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT IF THIS

                    PASSES, THEN WHAT WE HAVE IS SOMEBODY ELSE OR ANOTHER GROUP IS GONNA

                    PUT REGULATIONS IN.  SO WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, AM I CORRECT, THAT IT --

                    THAT LITTLE KIDS ARE NOT -- ARE GONNA BE PROTECTED FROM THE EDIBLES?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  OH -- KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RETAIL --

                    THE RETAILER, WHO WILL BE THE PERSON APPLYING FOR THE PERMIT, MUST USE

                    THE SAME STRICT GUIDELINES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE IN THAT PERSON'S

                    STORE.  SO I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE OFFICE OF CANNABIS

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                    MANAGEMENT IS GONNA DECIDE TO -- TO WEAKEN THOSE PROTECTIONS.  OUR --

                    THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BUILT ON THOSE TYPES OF SAFETY PROTOCOLS, SO I'M

                    EXPECTING THE SAME THING.  OTHERWISE THE RETAILER WOULD RISK LOSING

                    THEIR ENTIRE LICENSE IF THEY OPERATED DIFFERENTLY.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING

                    CONTAINERS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THEIR SHOWCASES TO SET UP AT A

                    FARMERS MARKET?

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROTECT THE

                    PRODUCT --

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  OKAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- IN -- IN A WAY THAT WORKS IN THAT

                    SETTING.  YES.  ABSOLUTELY.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THANK YOU.  THANK YOU.

                                 ON THE BILL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON THE BILL.

                                 MR. MORINELLO:  THE BILL ITSELF IN CHIEF HAS MERIT

                    FOR THE GROWERS, THE RETAILERS.  BUT, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU GET

                    TO THE EDIBLES, THERE ARE -- EVEN THOUGH WE RESTRICT PACKAGING, WHEN

                    YOU GET TO A FARMERS MARKET, AND I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE IN THIS AREA HAVE

                    BEEN TO FARMERS MARKETS, THEY GET VERY CROWDED.  THEY GET CROWDED ON

                    SATURDAY MORNINGS.  PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND, OKAY.  AND I DON'T SEE ANY

                    PROTECTION FROM THE EDIBLES FROM YOUNG CHILDREN.  I DON'T SEE ANY

                    PROTECTIONS FROM THEM BEING PART OF A CROWD.  LET'S TAKE A 14-YEAR-OLD,

                    TO REACH IN AND GRAB AN EDIBLE.  AND IT'S THE EDIBLES THAT ARE GONNA

                    DESTROY OUR YOUTH BECAUSE THEY CANNOT BE DETERMINED.  THEY COME IN

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                    PACKAGING, ATTRACTIVE PACKAGING.

                                 AND MY -- AGAIN, MY CONCERN ON THIS BILL IS, UNTIL WE

                    KNOW THE BILL ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT EDIBLES, PROTECTION OF

                    THOSE UNDER 21, I'M GONNA URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO ON THE BILL.

                                 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 MR. JENSEN.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  WOULD

                    THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR A (INAUDIBLE) OF QUESTIONS?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  WILL THE SPONSOR

                    YIELD?

                                 MR. LUPARDO:  SURE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  THANK YOU, MS. LUPARDO.  JUST A

                    QUICK QUESTION.  AND IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE

                    APPROPRIATE UNDER THE BILL-IN-CHIEF, I -- I APOLOGIZE.  UNDER OCM'S

                    REGULATIONS WE MANDATE SEED-TO-SALE TRACKING.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  AND UNDER THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT

                    THAT A -- ANYBODY WANTING TO OPERATE IN A POP-UP, AND SINCE THE FARMERS

                    MARKET'S BEEN THE EXAMPLE, I'LL CONTINUE WITH THAT EXAMPLE, OFTENTIMES

                    THAT IS ALREADY A LOW-TECH, CASH-FOR-PRODUCT-TYPE ENVIRONMENTS.  IS

                    THERE ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S IN THE BILL-IN-CHIEF OR WITH THIS SUBSEQUENT

                    CHAPTER AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD MANDATE THAT OCM, IN THE

                    DEVELOPMENT OF THE REGULATIONS, HAS TO ENSURE THAT THE SEED-TO-SALE

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                    TRACKING REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR BRICK-AND-MORTAR LOCATIONS

                    AND THROUGHOUT --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  YES.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  -- THE -- THE LIFE CYCLE OF A CANNABIS

                    PLANT --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  THAT -- THAT IS THE LAW AND THAT LAW

                    CARRIES THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  OKAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  AND WE'RE EXPECTING IT TO BE MADE

                    CLEAR WHEN THE REGULATIONS ARE PUT FORTH, THE PERSON WHO HAS THE RETAIL

                    LICENSE --

                                 MR. JENSEN:  UH-HUH.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  -- HAS TO ABIDE BY THE LAW.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  SO THEY --

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  AS DOES THE SEED-TO-TRACK -- THE

                    TRACKING SYSTEM, THE WAY IT'S CODED, THE WAY IT'S SOLD, THE WAY IT'S

                    DISPLAYED, ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT IS IN THE STORE.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  OKAY.

                                 MR. LUPARDO:  THEY JUST DON'T HAVE -- THEY JUST

                    HAVEN'T LINED IT OUT RELATIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF LOCATION.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE

                    RESPONSIBILITY, AFTER SUBSEQUENT PASSAGE AND SIGNATURE BY THE

                    GOVERNOR, THAT OCM WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP THE MECHANISM THROUGH

                    REGS TO DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO FULFILL THE EXISTING LAW WITH THIS

                    CHANGE TO THE LAW.

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                                 MS. LUPARDO:  EXACTLY.  IN A -- IN THAT TYPE OF

                    SETTING.  BUT IT WAS DONE SUCCESSFULLY AT THE POP-UPS THAT WERE DONE.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  OKAY.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  I -- AFTER HAVING VISITED ONE, I WAS

                    VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF SECURITY THEY HAD THAT WAS SIMILAR TO

                    THE RETAIL STORES.

                                 MR. JENSEN:  OKAY.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  I

                    APPRECIATE IT.

                                 MS. LUPARDO:  SURE.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  READ THE LAST

                    SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  A PARTY VOTE HAS

                    BEEN REQUESTED.

                                 MS. WALSH.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  SO, THE

                    REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE WILL GENERALLY BE IN THE NEGATIVE ON THIS

                    CHAPTER AMENDMENT.  WE HAD 38 NO VOTES LAST YEAR ON THE ORIGINAL.

                    BUT IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS, THEY CAN CERTAINLY VOTE AT

                    THEIR DESKS.

                                 THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  THANK YOU, MADAM

                    SPEAKER.  THE MAJORITY CONFERENCE IS GENERALLY GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF

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                    THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION; HOWEVER, THERE COULD BE A FEW THAT WOULD

                    DECIDE TO BE AN EXCEPTION.  THEY SHOULD FEEL FREE TO DO SO AT THEIR

                    SEATS.

                                 THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 THE CLERK WILL RECORD THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MR. STECK TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

                                 MR. STECK:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.  I WILL BE

                    VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS RESOLUTION -- OR THIS BILL.  THE -- I FEEL VERY

                    STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF LEGALIZATION OF MARIHUANA, ALWAYS HAVE.  I THINK IT

                    SHOULD BE REGULATED, HOWEVER, VERY SIMILARLY TO ALCOHOL.  AND THAT, IN

                    MY OPINION, IS WHERE WE ARE FALLING DOWN.  I HAD THE PEDIATRICIANS IN

                    MY OFFICE TALKING ABOUT CANNABIS USE DISORDER AND ALSO MARIHUANA-

                    INDUCED PSYCHOSIS.  WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES.  WE ARE NOT.  BUT

                    THAT IS NOT A REASON FOR VOTING AGAINST THIS BILL, SO I WILL BE VOTING IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  MR. STECK IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES TO EXPLAIN HER VOTE.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  THANK YOU, MADAM

                    SPEAKER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.  I WANT TO COMMEND

                    THE CHAIR OF OUR AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE FOR PUTTING THIS BILL FORWARD

                    AGAIN EVEN IN ITS -- IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION.

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                                 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAVE A

                    PRODUCT THAT THEY WANT TO GET INTO THE MARKET HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

                    ONE THING FOR SURE IS IF YOU GET A LICENSE FROM NEW YORK STATE TO DO A

                    POP-UP, HAVE A DISPENSARY, OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU HAVE THE LICENSE FOR,

                    YOU'RE HELD TO SOME REQUIREMENTS.  AND YOUR LICENSE WILL BE IN

                    JEOPARDY IF YOU TAKE IT TO A FARMERS MARKET AND ALLOW CHILDREN TO GET

                    ACCESS TO IT.  YOUR LICENSE IS IN JEOPARDY.  IT'S -- IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN

                    FROM YOU.  AND SO I FEEL LIKE THE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS WHO HAVE DECIDED

                    TO ENGAGE IN A LEGAL BUSINESS WILL DO IT IN A LEGAL MANNER THAT WILL

                    PROTECT ALL THAT'S INTERESTED.

                                 SO, I WANT TO AGAIN THANK THE SPONSOR FOR THE BILL AND I

                    VOTE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  MRS. PEOPLES-

                    STOKES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?

                                 THE CLERK WILL RECORD THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 PAGE 5, RULES REPORT 106, THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  SENATE NO. S00789, RULES REPORT NO.

                    106, BRISPORT (A04045, LASHER).  AN ACT TO AMEND THE FAMILY COURT

                    ACT, IN RELATION TO FINDINGS IN CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT PROCEEDINGS IN

                    FAMILY COURT.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  AN EXPLANATION HAS

                    BEEN REQUESTED, MR. LASHER.

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                                 MR. LASHER:  THIS IS A CHAPTER AMENDMENT ON THE

                    BILL-IN-CHIEF, LAST YEAR'S A.7348.  THE BILL-IN-CHIEF UPDATED THE WARNING

                    THAT FAMILY COURT JUDGES GIVE TO RESPONDENT PARENTS IN A FAMILY COURT

                    ARTICLE 10 PROCEEDING, SUCH THAT THAT WARNING WAS CONSISTENT -- IS

                    CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW, THAT A FAMILY -- EXCUSE ME -- THE SOCIAL

                    SERVICES LAW AS AMENDED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN 2022.  AND THIS

                    CHAPTER AMENDMENT MAKES FURTHER REFINEMENTS TO THE LAW SUCH THAT THE

                    WARNINGS THAT JUDGES GIVE ARE ACCURATE AND COMPLETE.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU.  THROUGH YOU, MADAM

                    SPEAKER, WILL THE SPONSOR YIELD FOR SOME QUESTIONS?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  WILL THE SPONSOR

                    YIELD?

                                 MR. LASHER:  CERTAINLY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE SPONSOR YIELDS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

                                 SO I'D LIKE TO GIVE OF JUST RUN THROUGH WHAT THE CHAPTER

                    AMENDMENT DOES.  AND WE MAY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WHOLE, KIND

                    OF THE OVERALL PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW IN FAMILY COURT WHEN THERE'S BEEN

                    AN INDICATION OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO SEALING.

                                 SO THE FIRST THING THAT YOU -- I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST

                    THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS THE SECTION ON PAGE 1, LINE, AROUND, 8 AND

                    9, WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE TO THE

                    RESPONDENT, AND IT ADDED THE WORDS "IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE FOLLOWING

                    TERMS."  WAS -- WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF ADDING THAT LANGUAGE, "IN

                    SUBSTANTIALLY THE FOLLOWING TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES OF

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                    SUCH ORDER"?

                                 MR. LASHER:  I -- I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS THAT

                    RESPONDENT FAMILIES WOULD RECEIVE A WARNING THAT IS BOTH PRECISE AND

                    COMPREHENSIBLE, AND THAT BY GIVING JUDGES A MODEST AMOUNT OF

                    FLEXIBILITY IN THE EXACT WORDS THAT THEY USE, IT ENSURES THAT THEY CAN

                    ACHIEVE BOTH OF THOSE GOALS.

                                 MS. WALSH:  YEAH.  AND I -- I HAPPEN TO ABSOLUTELY

                    AGREE WITH THAT, THAT CHANGE IN THE CHAPTER.  I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'D HATE

                    TO SEE -- MOST -- MOST FAMILY COURT JUDGES WILL HAVE A SCRIPT, BASICALLY,

                    THAT THEY'LL DO THEIR ALLOCUTION FROM AND -- AND -- BUT IF THEY MISS A

                    WORD OR IF THEY MISS A PHRASE, BUT IT SUBSTANTIALLY INFORMS THE

                    RESPONDENTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT BEING SOME

                    KIND OF FATAL FLAW THAT COULD COME BACK LATER.  SO I -- I THINK THAT THAT'S

                    A GOOD CHANGE.

                                 I NOTICED THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 1, SO STARTING

                    AROUND, LIKE, 23, 24, 25, THERE WAS A SECTION THAT WAS STRUCK, BEGINNING

                    SUBPARAGRAPH (B), IF THE COURT FINDING IS FOR NEGLECT, THAT AREA.  THAT

                    WAS TAKEN OUT.  BUT THEN, AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT THEN IT WAS

                    KIND OF PUT BACK IN ON PAGE 2 OF THE -- THE BILL?

                                 MR. LASHER:  I THINK THE -- THE STRIKING OF THE LINES

                    23 THROUGH 25 AND THE NEW LANGUAGE ON LINE 7 THROUGH 10 ON THE NEXT

                    BILL [SIC] REFLECT AN EFFORT TO BE MORE PRECISE AND CLEAR IN THE -- IN THE

                    WARNING.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  BUT IT'S STILL IN THERE.  AS FAR AS

                    SEALING, IT'S STILL -- IT'S STILL IN THERE, IT JUST GOT MOVED FROM ONE PART OF

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                    THE BILL TO ANOTHER PART.

                                 MR. LASHER:  THAT'S RIGHT.  AND, AGAIN, THIS -- THIS

                    BILL IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE UNDERLYING QUESTIONS OF WHAT RECORDS GET

                    SEALED AND WHEN.

                                 MS. WALSH:  THAT'S GOOD.  AND WE'LL -- WE'LL GET TO

                    THAT, I THINK, IN A MINUTE AS WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

                                 ON PAGE 2, LINE 2 OF THE BILL, IT TALKS ABOUT -- IT MAKES

                    A CHANGE -- SO IT SAYS, "THE EXISTENCE OF SUCH REPORT MAY BE MADE

                    KNOWN TO EMPLOYER, AND THE WORDS "HAD BEEN SEEKING TO SCREEN

                    EMPLOYEE OR VOLUNTEER APPLICANTS", AND IT CHANGED IT TO BE "AN

                    EMPLOYER REQUIRED TO SCREEN EMPLOYEE OR VOLUNTEER APPLICANTS."  WHY

                    WAS THAT CHANGE MADE?

                                 MR. LASHER:  I BELIEVE THAT CHANGE, AGAIN, IS MADE

                    IN ORDER TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE UNDERLYING LAW, WHICH MAKES THESE

                    RECORDS AVAILABLE TO EMPLOYERS OR POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONS WHERE

                    SOMEBODY IS VOLUNTEERING THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SEEK THIS INFORMATION.

                                 MS. WALSH:  DO YOU NOT SEE THAT AS BEING A LITTLE

                    BIT MORE LIMITING?  THERE MAY BE EMPLOYERS WHO WOULD SEEK IT, BUT

                    ARE YOU JUST SAYING THAT IT WILL ONLY BE THOSE EMPLOYERS WHO ARE

                    REQUIRED TO SCREEN EMPLOYEES WHO COULD POTENTIALLY SEE THE --

                                 MR. LASHER:  WELL --

                                 MS. WALSH:  -- POTENTIALLY SEE THE INDICATION?

                                 MR. LASHER:  FIRST OF ALL, NO, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD

                    BE LIMITING BECAUSE NOTHING IN THIS BILL WOULD IN ANY WAY LIMIT OR

                    EXPAND THE UNDERLYING LAW.

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                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  ALL RIGHT.  SO AS FAR AS -- AND --

                    AND LET'S JUST -- IF WE COULD JUST REVIEW THAT FOR A MINUTE.  SO, THE STATE

                    CENTRAL REGISTRY, ONCE THERE'S BEEN AN INDICATION OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT, IT

                    STAYS ON THE STATE CENTRAL REGISTRY AS TO THAT PARENT OR PERSON LEGALLY

                    RESPONSIBLE.  YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE YOUNGEST CHILD IN THAT FAMILY, AND

                    YOU MEASURE HOW LONG IT'S GONNA BE ON THE REGISTRY, UP TO THE AGE OF 18

                    FOR THAT YOUNGEST CHILD, PLUS ANOTHER TEN YEARS.  SO NOTHING IN THIS BILL

                    CHANGES THAT AS LONG AS HOW LONG SOMETHING IS GONNA STAY ON THE STATE

                    CENTRAL REGISTRY, CORRECT?

                                 MR. LASHER:  NOTHING IN THIS BILL AFFECTS HOW LONG

                    SOMETHING IS GONNA STAY ON THE STATE -- STATE CENTRAL REGISTRY.

                                 MS. WALSH:  OKAY.  AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SEALING

                    PART, SO BACK IN 2020 IN THE STATE BUDGET, I BELIEVE, THERE WAS A

                    PROVISION THAT WAS ADDED THAT SAID THAT IF AN INDICATION FOR NEGLECT WAS

                    IN THERE FOR -- I THINK IT WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD, THEN IF AN EMPLOYER WENT

                    BACK TO LOOK, IT WOULD NOT -- IT WOULD NOT BE THERE ANYMORE, THAT IT WAS

                    AN EIGHT-YEAR TIME LIMIT THAT WAS PLACED ON THE NEGLECT INDICATION.  IS

                    THERE ANYTHING IN THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT OR, AS YOU SAY, THERE'S

                    NOTHING REALLY THAT CHANGES THAT, CORRECT?

                                 MR. LASHER:  NOT ONLY IS THERE NOTHING IN THE

                    CHAPTER AMENDMENT THAT CHANGES THAT, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE

                    BILL-IN-CHIEF THAT CHANGES THAT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  YEAH.  SO THAT -- THE -- THE SEALING

                    ISSUE STAYS THE SAME.  AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE UNIVERSE OF EMPLOYERS

                    WHO CAN -- WHO CAN POTENTIALLY SEE A PRIOR INDICATION, THAT DIDN'T

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                    CHANGE EITHER?  THAT DIDN'T BECOME MORE LIMITED?

                                 MR. LASHER:  AGAIN, THE UNIVERSE OF EMPLOYERS,

                    THE LENGTH OF SEALING, NONE OF THAT WAS AFFECTED EITHER BY THE

                    BILL-IN-CHIEF, WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE THIS HOUSE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED

                    THAT LEGISLATION, NOR WOULD IT BE AFFECTED BY THE CHAPTER AMENDMENT.

                                 MS. WALSH:  WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

                    ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

                                 MADAM SPEAKER, ON THE BILL.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON THE BILL.

                                 MS. WALSH:  SO, I GUESS WHERE I HAVE AN ISSUE IS

                    NOT MAYBE SO MUCH WITH WHAT THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT DOES, BUT WITH

                    THE RULES THAT WERE PLACED INTO THE BUDGET IN 2020 AS FAR AS THE SEALING.

                    I THINK THAT AS A -- AS A STATE, I THINK THAT OUR PRIORITIES SHOULD BE

                    CENTERED AROUND PROTECTING THE MOST VULNERABLE, AND I THINK THAT

                    CHILDREN ARE AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST, NEW YORK'S KIDS.  AND IT'S MY KIDS,

                    IT'S YOUR KIDS.  IT'S EVERYBODY'S CHILDREN.  SO THAT IF -- IF A -- IF A PARENT

                    OR PERSON LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE HAS BEEN FOUND TO HAVE NEGLECTED A CHILD,

                    AND THEN AT SOME LATER POINT IN TIME THAT PARENT WANTS TO SEEK

                    EMPLOYMENT AS A CPS WORKER, A DAYCARE WORKER, A VOLUNTEER AT A

                    DAYCARE CENTER, ALL OF THOSE ARE SCREENED THROUGH THE STATE CENTRAL

                    REGISTRY.  AND IF THAT INDICATION IS OVER EIGHT YEARS OLD, NOBODY'S

                    GONNA FIND -- NOBODY'S GONNA GET IT.  NOBODY'S GONNA SEE IT.  SO I HAVE

                    A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.  AND I -- I THINK THAT -- I WOULD LOVE TO SEE

                    THAT CHANGED IN THE LAW, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY TIME IN

                    OFFICE HAS BEEN A REAL TREND TOWARDS FAVORING THE WRONG PEOPLE, YOU

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                    KNOW.  I THINK THAT THE WRONG PEOPLE ARE GETTING PROTECTIONS AND THAT'S

                    LEAVING VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS MORE VULNERABLE.

                                 SO I WON'T BE VOTING FOR THIS CHAPTER, BUT IT'S REALLY

                    ONLY BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THE WHOLE FRAMEWORK OF -- OF WHY THINGS

                    ARE SEALED, HOW LONG THEY'RE SEALED.  WHAT EMPLOYERS GET TO SEE, WHAT

                    THEY DON'T GET TO SEE.  BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A PUBLIC INTEREST IN

                    KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE, AND I THINK THAT THIS FRAMEWORK AND THIS

                    CONSTRUCT IN THIS AREA OF THE LAW REALLY ERODES THAT.  SO I DON'T -- I DON'T

                    SUPPORT IT, BUT OTHERS MAY VERY WELL DISAGREE WITH ME.

                                 THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  READ THE LAST

                    SECTION.

                                 THE CLERK:  THIS ACT SHALL TAKE EFFECT ON THE 60TH

                    DAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THE CLERK WILL

                    RECORD THE VOTE.

                                 (THE CLERK RECORDED THE VOTE.)

                                 MR. LASHER TO EXPLAIN HIS VOTE.

                                 MR. LASHER:  I WOULD JUST BRIEFLY EMPHASIZE THAT

                    REGARDLESS OF ONE'S VIEWS ON THE CHANGES THAT THE LEGISLATURE ENACTED

                    IN 2022, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO ENSURE THAT

                    JUDGES ARE GIVING INFORMATION TO PARTICIPANTS IN THESE PROCEEDINGS THAT

                    IS ACCURATE AND THAT FAITHFULLY REFLECTS THE LAW, EVEN IF WE MAY NOT

                    THINK THE LAW IS PERFECT.  AND THAT IS WHAT THIS CHAPTER AMENDMENT

                    WOULD DO.

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                                 THANK YOU.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  MR. LASHER IN THE

                    AFFIRMATIVE.

                                 ARE THERE ANY OTHER VOTES?  ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

                                 (THE CLERK ANNOUNCED THE RESULTS.)

                                 THE BILL IS PASSED.

                                 MR. LASHER, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST VOTE -- YOUR

                    FIRST BILL.

                                 (APPLAUSE)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  MADAM SPEAKER, DO YOU

                    HAVE ANY FURTHER HOUSEKEEPING OR RESOLUTIONS?

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  A RESOLUTION BY

                    MR. SCHIAVONI, THE CLERK WILL READ.


                                 THE CLERK:  ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NO. 184, MR.

                    SCHIAVONI.

                                 LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION HONORING THE VOLUNTEER

                    FIREFIGHTERS, THE NEW YORK AIR NATIONAL GUARD 106TH -- 106TH RESCUE

                    WING, AND NEW YORK STATE AGENCIES FOR THEIR VALIANT EFFORTS IN

                    COMBATTING THE BRUSH FIRES IN SUFFOLK COUNTY, LONG ISLAND.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  MR. SCHIAVONI ON

                    THE BILL -- ON THE RESOLUTION.

                                 MR. SCHIAVONI:  THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                    THIS PAST WEEKEND, SATURDAY, MARCH 8TH, FIRES BROKE OUT ACROSS LONG

                    ISLAND, THE EASTERN END OF LONG ISLAND, DUE TO WINDS TO UP TO 40 MILES

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                    AN HOUR.  FOURS FIRES BROKE -- BEGAN IN THE HAMLETS OF EAST MORICHES,

                    CENTER MORICHES, EASTPORT AND WEST HAMPTON, WITH THE LARGEST FIRE.

                                 THANKS TO THE WORK OF OVER 600 VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS,

                    THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THE FIRE WAS 100 PERCENT CONTAINED BY SUNDAY.

                    OVER 600 MEMBERS OF DEPARTMENTS FROM ALL OVER LONG ISLAND

                    RESPONDED.  OVER 8 -- 80 DIFFERENT FIRE DEPARTMENTS FROM LONG ISLAND

                    CAME OUT TO THE EAST END TO HELP FIGHT THE FIRES.  AND I WANT TO

                    PERSONALLY THANK ALL THE MEMBERS FROM LONG ISLAND IN -- IN THIS

                    CHAMBER, AND ALSO PLEASE EXTEND OUR THANKS TO YOUR FIREFIGHTERS, THE

                    MEN AND WOMEN IN YOUR DEPARTMENT WHO CAME OUT AND ANSWERED THE

                    CALL.  IT MADE THE DIFFERENCE.

                                 ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO THANK THE GOVERNOR OF THE

                    STATE OF NEW YORK, KATHY HOCHUL, FOR HER QUICK RESPONSE.  SHE

                    DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY QUICKLY AND DISPATCHED THREE APACHE

                    HELICOPTERS AS WELL AS A C-130, AND THEY WERE HITTING THE HOT SPOTS

                    EARLY IN THE FIRE.

                                 TO RECOGNIZE THESE EFFORTS OF ALL THOSE INVOLVED, I'VE

                    INTRODUCED A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS, TEN

                    AMBULANCE CREWS, THE NEW YORK AIR NATIONAL GUARD 106TH RESCUE

                    WING, THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION, NEW YORK

                    STATE FIRE, SUFFOLK COUNTY, THE TOWNS OF BROOKHAVEN AND

                    SOUTHAMPTON TOWN, THE NEW YORK CITY DIVISION OF HOMELAND

                    SECURITY AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF

                    TRANSPORTATION, DIVISION OF MILITARY AND NAVAL AFFAIRS, AND NEW YORK

                    STATE POLICE, AND TO HELP THE NUMEROUS ELECT -- AND -- AND THE HELP OF

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                    NUMEROUS ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARRIVED ON THE SCENE TO STRATEGIZE AND

                    PROVIDED VITAL RESOURCES AND FIGHT THE BLAZES.  WE HAD TWO FIREFIGHTERS

                    INJURED.  THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED.

                                 I ALSO STAND HERE TODAY TO MAKE THAT -- MY COLLEAGUES

                    AWARE OF THE THREAT THAT MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS FACE DUE TO THE

                    SOUTHERN PINE BEETLE, WHICH HAS RAVAGED FORESTS -- A FOREST ON LONG

                    ISLAND.  NEW YORK STATE NEEDS TO WORK TO MITIGATE THE RISK OF FUTURE

                    WILDFIRES ON LONG ISLAND IN THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE

                    SOUTHERN PINE BEETLE WHOSE PRESENCE HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO CLIMATE

                    CHANGE.  I ASK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR SUPPORT TO INCREASE ATTENTION ON

                    THIS CRITICAL ISSUE FACING THE 2.8 MILLION PEOPLE OF NASSAU AND SUFFOLK

                    COUNTIES.

                                 SO I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CHAMBER FOR YOUR TIME.

                    THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  THANK YOU.

                                 ON THE RESOLUTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

                    AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.

                                 WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL RESOLUTIONS BEFORE

                    THE HOUSE.  WITHOUT OBJECTION, THESE RESOLUTIONS WILL BE TAKEN UP

                    TOGETHER.

                                 ON THESE RESOLUTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

                    SAYING AYE; OPPOSED, NO.  THE RESOLUTIONS ARE ADOPTED.

                                 (WHEREUPON, ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION NOS. 185-187

                    WERE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.)

                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES.

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                                 MRS. PEOPLES-STOKES:  I NOW MOVE THAT THE

                    ASSEMBLY STAND ADJOURNED AND THAT WE RECONVENE AT 12:00 P.M.,

                    WEDNESDAY, MARCH THE 12TH, TOMORROW BEING A SESSION DAY.

                                 ACTING SPEAKER HUNTER:  ON MRS. PEOPLES-

                    STOKES' MOTION, THE HOUSE STANDS ADJOURNED.

                                 (WHEREUPON, AT 3:50 P.M., THE HOUSE STOOD ADJOURNED

                    UNTIL WEDNESDAY, MARCH 12TH AT 12:00 P.M., THAT BEING A SESSION DAY.)





































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